Australian media claimed police said they had security camera video footage of the incident, although cameras right over the bar were not working.

 

http://www.pattayamail.com/news/soi-6-bargirl-says-aussie-playing-deadly-attack-202895

 

 

Perhaps the police are checking the size of their donation from the accused before deciding if there is any 'usable' CCTV evidence.

On 2/23/2018 at 4:26 PM, dazler said:

The Thai autopsy listed the cause of death as "heart and lung failure"

Which is, unfortunately, exactly what they always say, they never say what was the actual cause of death, i.e. exactly what it was that made the heart stop and therefore breathing in the first place.

As promised folks, I have been to Nong Plalai prison and I can confirm that Jose is definitely out on bail. Apparently he got out the evening after my last visit to the person I visited today, which was at the end of the week before last, so about 15th or 16th February.

Dazler, who was much derided, appears to have been correct that he was indeed out and about.

So he will be out on bail for about 2 years before the case is heard, from past experience with the slow courts here. 

2 hours ago, Mattd said:

Which is, unfortunately, exactly what they always say, they never say what was the actual cause of death, i.e. exactly what it was that made the heart stop and therefore breathing in the first place.

No need for an autopsy to understand when a person dies the heart and the lounges have shut Down as this is obligatoric and will always happen regardless...

 

Wonder how the autopsy process are performed. Checking pulse and breath, if no then check the heart and the lounges. If shut Down the person is confirmed dead caused by heart and lounge failure. Hopefully the process goes further to find out what actually caused the hearth and lounge failure if its not to much to hope for...

17 minutes ago, ttrd said:

No need for an autopsy to understand when a person dies the heart and the lounges have shut Down as this is obligatoric and will always happen regardless...

 

Wonder how the autopsy process are performed. Checking pulse and breath, if no then check the heart and the lounges. If shut Down the person is confirmed dead caused by heart and lounge failure. Hopefully the process goes further to find out what actually caused the hearth and lounge failure if its not to much to hope for...

Would that be Business Class or First Class?

5 minutes ago, sambum said:

Would that be Business Class or First Class?

Above 1st class - the Penthouse in the sky:

 

https://www.loungebuddy.com/blog/first-class-showdown-emirates-vs-etihad/

All foreigners who die from suspicious circumstances are taken to Bangkok police hospital for autopsy. Many families who are properly advised get a second one done by Porntip Rojanasunan.

1 minute ago, marinediscoking said:

All foreigners who die from suspicious circumstances are taken to Bangkok police hospital for autopsy. Many families who are properly advised get a second one done by Porntip Rojanasunan.

With the statements from witness and the CCTV captures - what more is needed to check his head for internal bleading/damage?

Is he on Bail ?

9 minutes ago, johnson36 said:

Is he on Bail ?

Its said temporary free as a bird - what else to expect, he seems to have killed just twice....

2 hours ago, ttrd said:

With the statements from witness and the CCTV captures - what more is needed to check his head for internal bleading/damage?

There is no cctv. Aussie fly by night  reporting was wrong.

5 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Dazler, who was much derided, appears to have been correct that he was indeed out and about.

 

Dazler were right all along , he has been out , enjoying life with his Hooters girlfriend since the day after he was arrested.  Maybe he has connections with the police, 

 

I would not like to bump into him , that's for sure, 

 

 

2 minutes ago, marinediscoking said:

There is no cctv. Aussie fly by night  reporting was wrong.

There are, not from the premises were the incident took Place as they are claimed out of function, BUT from one of the bars vis a vis...With ref to post 118 and 119

 

 

9 minutes ago, balo said:

 

Dazler were right all along , he has been out , enjoying life with his Hooters girlfriend since the day after he was arrested.  Maybe he has connections with the police, 

 

I would not like to bump into him , that's for sure, 

 

 

Its really scaring - which another country would allowed something like that taken into account that he has killed before....

18 minutes ago, ttrd said:

There are, not from the premises were the incident took Place as they are claimed out of function, BUT from one of the bars vis a vis...With ref to post 118 and 119

 

 

Only video after the fact is from cell phones . Fight took place inside the bar, impossible for another bar to have good footage as the bar is too dark inside at night. I went there to see exactly if it would be possible and it isn't. 

Don't take my word for it, go there buy a lady a drink, they are talking. 

2 minutes ago, marinediscoking said:

Only video after the fact is from cell phones . Fight took place inside the bar, impossible for another bar to have good footage as the bar is too dark inside at night. I went there to see exactly if it would be possible and it isn't. 

Don't take my word for it, go there buy a lady a drink, they are talking. 

I dont take Your Word for it - I take Police Superintendent Apichai Kroppech Word for it as he has looked the footage which clearly showed whats happened:

 

"Investigators have since acquired CCTV footage of the brutal bashing, and told 9NEWS it will form a critical part of the investigation.

 

Police Superintendent Apichai Kroppech said the vision, which will not be released to the public, clearly shows Mr Robb being punched in the face then kicked while he lay on the ground at least 10 times."

 

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/02/14/14/44/new-picture-emerges-of-aftermath-of-thailand-brawl?ocid=social-9News

3 hours ago, ttrd said:

There are, not from the premises were the incident took Place as they are claimed out of function, BUT from one of the bars vis a vis...With ref to post 118 and 119

 

 

Posts 118 & 119 don't state the CCTV came from bars other than the Ruby Club...the reporter claims other bars' CCTV were not working...the CCTV was from The Ruby Club

4 hours ago, mgthom63 said:

Posts 118 & 119 don't state the CCTV came from bars other than the Ruby Club...the reporter claims other bars' CCTV were not working...the CCTV was from The Ruby Club

If thats the case, My Bad and nothing is better than that...

RE "Jose Manuel Polanco Jr is out on bail"

 

Interesting to se how the different countries handle the bail process in similar cases:

 

Australia

 

(1) The offender has not been previous convicted for murder

 

(2) It has been thrown just 2 or maybe 3 punches in one attack.

 

(3) The victim died at the scene

 

* The incident took Place 25th of Dec-17, the offender was Arrested on 28th of Dec-17 and have since then applied to be released on bail 2 times in the period between Jan 4th og Jan 25th which both were refused by the Court.

 

The matter is next listed for mention in Tweed Heads Local Court on Tuesday March 13.

 

https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/dj-murder-case-accused-applies-bail-lismore-court/3318951/

 

Thailand

 

(1) The offender has been convicted for a previous (2nd degree) murder

 

http://www.hotties-pattaya.com/2018/02/american-accused-of-killing-australian.html

 

(2) It was thrown 3 or maybe 4 punches followed up with multiple kicks in addtion to jumping on the victim's head 10-15 times AFTER the victim had felled uncousious to  the ground

 

(3) The victim died at the scene

 

* Bail given WITHIN a few days and no information of what will happen next....

 

--------------------

 

Main differences ("if we omits the bribery theory"):

 

Australia - Involved less brutality, BUT included an arrest 3 days after the incident had taken Place.

 

Thailand - The Pattaya case was far more brutal, performed by a person who have been previous convicted for a similar crime, BUT he was not arrested as he shortly after the incident handed himself over to the police claiming he had acted in selfdefence and as a compassionate samaritan - It seems to be those small but important details in a legal recipe that make up the difference between those 2 cases when it comes to the outcome of the temporary release against bail process...??...

 

 

 

 

14 hours ago, ttrd said:

No need for an autopsy to understand when a person dies the heart and the lounges have shut Down as this is obligatoric and will always happen regardless...

 

Wonder how the autopsy process are performed. Checking pulse and breath, if no then check the heart and the lounges. If shut Down the person is confirmed dead caused by heart and lounge failure. Hopefully the process goes further to find out what actually caused the hearth and lounge failure if its not to much to hope for...

Exactly!

I have heard of these autopsy results a few times,  for example a Female Aussie colleague died here very suddenly at a relatively young age, same result, her son never did find out the why.

RE "Jose Manuel Polanco Jr is out on bail"
 
Interesting to se how the different countries handle the bail process in similar cases:
 
Australia
 
(1) The offender has not been previous convicted for murder
 
(2) It has been thrown just 2 or maybe 3 punches in one attack.
 
(3) The victim died at the scene
 
* The incident took Place 25th of Dec-17, the offender was Arrested on 28th of Dec-17 and have since then applied to be released on bail 2 times in the period between Jan 4th og Jan 25th which both were refused by the Court.
 
The matter is next listed for mention in Tweed Heads Local Court on Tuesday March 13.
 
https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/dj-murder-case-accused-applies-bail-lismore-court/3318951/
 
Thailand
 
(1) The offender has been convicted for a previous (2nd degree) murder
 
http://www.hotties-pattaya.com/2018/02/american-accused-of-killing-australian.html
 
(2) It was thrown 3 or maybe 4 punches followed up with multiple kicks in addtion to jumping on the victim's head 10-15 times AFTER the victim had felled uncousious to  the ground
 
(3) The victim died at the scene
 
* Bail given WITHIN a few days and no information of what will happen next....
 
--------------------
 
Main differences ("if we omits the bribery theory"):
 
Australia - Involved less brutality, BUT included an arrest 3 days after the incident had taken Place.
 
Thailand - The Pattaya case was far more brutal, performed by a person who have been previous convicted for a similar crime, BUT he was not arrested as he shortly after the incident handed himself over to the police claiming he had acted in selfdefence and as a compassionate samaritan - It seems to be those small but important details in a legal recipe that make up the difference between those 2 cases when it comes to the outcome of the temporary release against bail process...??...
 
 
 
 

Thailand is “different” and those expecting similar levels of justice to their home countries can often get a rude awakening.

As an example there is a case from a few years back still making its way through the system where some police officers have been actually convicted of murder and sentenced to death yet are out on bail awaiting appeal and still serving as active police officers.

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/842866-appeals-court-upholds-death-penalty-for-two-thai-police-officers/



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21 hours ago, ttrd said:

Above 1st class - the Penthouse in the sky:

 

https://www.loungebuddy.com/blog/first-class-showdown-emirates-vs-etihad/

Nice to see someone who can take a joke at their own expense! WD!

Is his Hooters girlfriend cute?

5 minutes ago, jeff hard said:

He walked off, unaccompanied except for his thai girlfriend.

Technically speaking, that makes him "accompanied"

A couple of posts by a reincarnated banned member and replies have been removed from this thread. 

On 2/26/2018 at 9:44 PM, ttrd said:

Its really scaring - which another country would allowed something like that taken into account that he has killed before....

So a rapist for instance who has raped 15 women before you say should not be taken into account when the offender is on trial for another rape c'mon ????? are you real or just trying to wind people up 

3 minutes ago, hottrader77 said:

So a rapist for instance who has raped 15 women before you say should not be taken into account when the offender is on trial for another rape c'mon ????? are you real or just trying to wind people up 

You seems to have understood exactly the oppsite of what I tried to convey which must be regarded as a small achievement in itself ....