TM30 explained for landlords and tenants

[Maestro]

Removed a nonsensical post and the replies to it.

[Puccini]

On 6/6/2018 at 2:10 PM, sam neuts said:

...The TM30 is a separate piece of paper which you should keep with your passport and departure card...

 

 

When I visited Bangkok in July this year I stayed at the Shangri La Hotel but I was not given this separate piece of paper you mention, the TM30, neither upon check-in nor at any time during my stay at the hotel nor at check-out. Was I committing a criminal offense by not having this paper with my passport?

[sam neuts]

When I visited Bangkok in July this year I stayed at the Shangri La Hotel but I was not given this separate piece of paper you mention, the TM30, neither upon check-in nor at any time during my stay at the hotel nor at check-out. Was I committing a criminal offense by not having this paper with my passport?

No problem. When you are checking in at any good hotel they will take a copy of your Passport and they will report your stay directly online with Immigration.

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[stud858]

1 hour ago, Puccini said:

When I visited Bangkok in July this year I stayed at the Shangri La Hotel but I was not given this separate piece of paper you mention, the TM30, neither upon check-in nor at any time during my stay at the hotel nor at check-out. Was I committing a criminal offense by not having this paper with my passport?

You are officially responsible for when you return to your usual apartment after spending more than 24 hrs away from it to report that you've returned back from staying at a hotel. 

 

[Puccini]

Thank you, stud858, but this does not answer my question.

Edited October 20, 2018 by Puccini

[sam neuts]

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[sam neuts]

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[aldriglikvid]

Hi friends, 

 

I tried to browse a couple of pages before asking my question - but I didn't find my answer, and I'm on a 24h deadline ????

 

I'm renting a condo and just did a re-run 3 days to an adjacent country, to get myself a new tourist visa. The condo agent isn't keen on helping me register tomorrow when I enter the country again. I'm not getting places here at the moment...so! I need to try myself. 

 

I downloaded the TM30 from immigrations websites but I see several places where the owner is supposed to sign. Am I supposed to be able to sign and file this document all by myself, or am I missing something here? Any guide to fill it out perhaps? ????

[brewsterbudgen]

Hi friends, 
 
I tried to browse a couple of pages before asking my question - but I didn't find my answer, and I'm on a 24h deadline [emoji6]
 
I'm renting a condo and just did a re-run 3 days to an adjacent country, to get myself a new tourist visa. The condo agent isn't keen on helping me register tomorrow when I enter the country again. I'm not getting places here at the moment...so! I need to try myself. 
 
I downloaded the TM30 from immigrations websites but I see several places where the owner is supposed to sign. Am I supposed to be able to sign and file this document all by myself, or am I missing something here? Any guide to fill it out perhaps? [emoji846]

Which Immigration office do you use? In Bangkok and some other offices there is currently no requirement for TM30 reporting by foreigners.

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[Nyezhov]

34 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Which Immigration office do you use? In Bangkok and some other offices there is currently no requirement for TM30 reporting by foreigners.

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Well they made me report on an Initial application for a 90 day extension, and told me I would have to report any guests...

[tebee]

OK I may be naive, but i've never had to fill in a TM30 in my life. I spend my time here between my wife's house and my son's house - the latter is a government house - who would even be responsible for filling the TM30 there? Would  the government fine itself   for not filling one in ?

 

When we go traveling in Thailand we usually book and pay in my wife's name - she has a Baht credit card, I have a Euro one, so it saves  currency  conversion fees. I've never been asked by any of the hotels (except once ) to even show my passport, so there is no way they could have done a TM30 for me.

 

If you were traveling round  it would seem impractical to report as has been suggested you should - you would be spending most of your time visiting immigration offices! What would you do at the weekend when these were closed ? 

[brewsterbudgen]

9 minutes ago, tebee said:

OK I may be naive, but i've never had to fill in a TM30 in my life. I spend my time here between my wife's house and my son's house - the latter is a government house - who would even be responsible for filling the TM30 there? Would  the government fine itself   for not filling one in ?

 

When we go traveling in Thailand we usually book and pay in my wife's name - she has a Baht credit card, I have a Euro one, so it saves  currency  conversion fees. I've never been asked by any of the hotels (except once ) to even show my passport, so there is no way they could have done a TM30 for me.

 

If you were traveling round  it would seem impractical to report as has been suggested you should - you would be spending most of your time visiting immigration offices! What would you do at the weekend when these were closed ? 

It depends which Immigration Office you use.  I've lived here 14 years and also never completed a TM30, but I use the main Immigration Office in Bangkok, which currently doesn't require foreigners on work Extensions to submit them.

[Sheryl]

You are officially responsible for when you return to your usual apartment after spending more than 24 hrs away from it to report that you've returned back from staying at a hotel. 
 

I take issue with that. My reading of the law does not in any way specify this. It states a need for the house master/landlord to file a TM 30 when an alien takes up residence. It DOES NOT indicate that the TM 30 must be re-filed after every overnight absence if the alien has not vacated residence and most Imm offices do not take it to mean so, though there are a few exceptions.

The law also specifies that the responsibility for filing lies with the landlord/house master not the alien though granted the consequences fall onto the alien if they need to use Imm services and no TM 30 on file.

Everyone who anticipates needing an extension in the future needs to check with their local Imm office to see what if anything they want by way if a TM30. From what I have read on this forum the majority want an initial TM30 and refiling after leaving the country and returning or changing place of residence. Bangkok apparently does not want anything. A very few locations want refiling after every overnight absence even witin Thailand.

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[melvinmelvin]

38 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

I take issue with that. My reading of the law does not in any way specify this. It states a need for the house master/landlord to file a TM 30 when an alien takes up residence. It DOES NOT indicate that the TM 30 must be re-filed after every overnight absence if the alien has not vacated residence and most Imm offices do not take it to mean so, though there are a few exceptions.

The law also specifies that the responsibility for filing lies with the landlord/house master not the alien though granted the consequences fall onto the alien if they need to use Imm services and no TM 30 on file.

Everyone who anticipates needing an extension in the future needs to check with their local Imm office to see what if anything they want by way if a TM30. From what I have read on this forum the majority want an initial TM30 and refiling after leaving the country and returning or changing place of residence. Bangkok apparently does not want anything. A very few locations want refiling after every overnight absence even witin Thailand.

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Sounds pretty reasonable what you describe above.

(one could joke - hence - probably wrong)

 

My experience with Nonthaburi;

 

application for ext of stay to be accompanied by TM30

going abroad for a week or two; no TM30

going to Isaan for a week or two; no TM30

change of address; handled through 90-day report form

 

so, once a year along with the ext of stay paper mill

 

 

and yes, I do the filing of the TM30, I have the owner sign - and I file

 

 

 

 

Edited October 30, 2018 by melvinmelvin
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[fforest1]

Get real folks how many visitors to Thailand know or even care about the TM 30?.....I would say very very few....

[Sheryl]

Get real folks how many visitors to Thailand know or even care about the TM 30?.....I would say very very few....

It has no practical consewuences for temporary visitors. They usually stay at hotels/guest houses and these are responsible for filing and most do. Even if not, the businesses' problem not the visitor's.

It is long term stayers (who do annual extensions of stay) living in private accomodations who need to be concerned...and then apparently only if living outside of Bangkok.

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[rumak]

On 10/20/2018 at 7:14 PM, Puccini said:

Thank you, stud858, but this does not answer my question.

there are 2 answers   !.  it depends

                                2.  it's complicated

 

if you read through the many tm30 threads you will see that this answer is the only correct one. The only "definitive" answer which will apply to YOU will be the one that the person handling the tm30 in YOUR local office will accept.   If you are just a tourist than it is PROBABLY not a matter (the tm30) that you need to concern yourself with as not a problem not having one.  As a longer term resident there will be times you need to go to an immig office and then you need to ask them how/when to handle the tm30....and you might get a fine ????  ( i see that Sheryl just posted something similar)

Edited October 30, 2018 by rumak

[rumak]

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

I take issue with that. My reading of the law does not in any way specify this. It states a need for the house master/landlord to file a TM 30 when an alien takes up residence. It DOES NOT indicate that the TM 30 must be re-filed after every overnight absence if the alien has not vacated residence and most Imm offices do not take it to mean so, though there are a few exceptions.

The law also specifies that the responsibility for filing lies with the landlord/house master not the alien though granted the consequences fall onto the alien if they need to use Imm services and no TM 30 on file.

Everyone who anticipates needing an extension in the future needs to check with their local Imm office to see what if anything they want by way if a TM30. From what I have read on this forum the majority want an initial TM30 and refiling after leaving the country and returning or changing place of residence. Bangkok apparently does not want anything. A very few locations want refiling after every overnight absence even witin Thailand.

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Sheryl is correct that those renting a house or condo .....the owner ( or housemaster (mgr, or such) is required to file a notice of your occupancy within 24 hours.  Often not done and the tenant is stuck with the consequences and many arguments ensue.  If you are going to rent be sure you get the owner to agree to do the reporting .      Note: my daughter is the owner of rental house and we always do the  INITIAL report and give receipt to tenant .  If tenant leaves country and returns it is THEIR responsibility to go within alloted time to imm and update their return (simple procedure! ) 

[Golden Triangle]

I posted this question yesterday on another thread, I did have one answer but still a bit unsure so will repost here and hope for the best, many thanks. 

 

Hi all, I hope you can help, I have my daughter & son in law visiting us next week before they zoom off to other parts of Thailand, I have downloaded the TM30 and other sheet to enter their details on, no problem.

 

My questions are, on the top part of the TM30 do I put my details and address (the lease is in my name) at the top of the form, as below it asks for exactly the same address ? 

 

Do I also need to provide copies of their Passports with VOA and TM6 pages included, and last but not least they will only be staying a few days so where it says end of stay is that the end of their time at my place ?? hope that makes sense, thanks in advance. GT.

[CMBob]

2 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 ....The law also specifies that the responsibility for filing lies with the landlord/house master not the alien though granted the consequences fall onto the alien if they need to use Imm services and no TM 30 on file.

A bit puzzled by that conclusion and omission of rather clear language in the law. That law places equal responsibility on three (not two) entities/persons:  the house-master or the owner or the possessor.  If the "alien" isn't the possessor, who is?  

[stud858]

5 hours ago, Sheryl said:

I take issue with that. My reading of the law does not in any way specify this. It states a need for the house master/landlord to file a TM 30 when an alien takes up residence. It DOES NOT indicate that the TM 30 must be re-filed after every overnight absence if the alien has not vacated residence and most Imm offices do not take it to mean so, though there are a few exceptions.

The law also specifies that the responsibility for filing lies with the landlord/house master not the alien though granted the consequences fall onto the alien if they need to use Imm services and no TM 30 on file.

Everyone who anticipates needing an extension in the future needs to check with their local Imm office to see what if anything they want by way if a TM30. From what I have read on this forum the majority want an initial TM30 and refiling after leaving the country and returning or changing place of residence. Bangkok apparently does not want anything. A very few locations want refiling after every overnight absence even witin Thailand.

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The written laws are ignored. Unfortunately those in charge at the time make the rules.  Sometimes they follow the written law. My advice is to take the written law to the safest edge. I.e. If you go out shopping for 24hrs go and notify immigration with TM30 form.  Unlikely to get into any trouble that way.  You can sway the other way and most likely be OK if you want to risk a small amount.

[Sheryl]

4 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:

I posted this question yesterday on another thread, I did have one answer but still a bit unsure so will repost here and hope for the best, many thanks. 

 

Hi all, I hope you can help, I have my daughter & son in law visiting us next week before they zoom off to other parts of Thailand, I have downloaded the TM30 and other sheet to enter their details on, no problem.

 

My questions are, on the top part of the TM30 do I put my details and address (the lease is in my name) at the top of the form, as below it asks for exactly the same address ? 

 

Do I also need to provide copies of their Passports with VOA and TM6 pages included, and last but not least they will only be staying a few days so where it says end of stay is that the end of their time at my place ?? hope that makes sense, thanks in advance. GT.

First if all, if they are just visiting temporarily and will nto be needing an extension of stay I personally would not bother with it, but technically yes, you are supposed to do this.

 

 

 

1. "on the top part of the TM30 do I put my details and address (the lease is in my name) at the top of the form, as below it asks for exactly the same address "

 

Yes. You repeat the same info.

 

2. "Do I also need to provide copies of their Passports with VOA and TM6 pages included"

 

 Yes - with their signature on the copies. And they will also want signed copies of your passport (face page, visa page, most recent extension page, last entry stamp  and TM6), the tabian ban for your location and your lease. If you do not have a copy of the tabian ban can try without if but if possible include.

      This is based on what my IO wants, YMMV. In my case they are not happy with just my tabian ban (yellow tabian ban listing me) and I also have to submit copy of my land lease and chanote.

 

It makes quite a pile and multiple that by 100 times that I have had to do this and all the 90 reports i have done (same attachments) you get an idea of the volume  of sheer paper that is housed there somewhere all certifying my presence at a permanent address I have nto left in 20 years and never plan to....????

 

 

[Sheryl]

1 hour ago, stud858 said:

The written laws are ignored. Unfortunately those in charge at the time make the rules.  Sometimes they follow the written law. My advice is to take the written law to the safest edge. I.e. If you go out shopping for 24hrs go and notify immigration with TM30 form.  Unlikely to get into any trouble that way.  You can sway the other way and most likely be OK if you want to risk a small amount.

Or just ask your IO.

 

Most (but not all) will tell you no need unless you left the country.

[jackdd]

4 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:

I posted this question yesterday on another thread, I did have one answer but still a bit unsure so will repost here and hope for the best, many thanks. 

 

Hi all, I hope you can help, I have my daughter & son in law visiting us next week before they zoom off to other parts of Thailand, I have downloaded the TM30 and other sheet to enter their details on, no problem.

 

My questions are, on the top part of the TM30 do I put my details and address (the lease is in my name) at the top of the form, as below it asks for exactly the same address ? 

 

Do I also need to provide copies of their Passports with VOA and TM6 pages included, and last but not least they will only be staying a few days so where it says end of stay is that the end of their time at my place ?? hope that makes sense, thanks in advance. GT.

If your visitors don't plan to do anything at the immigration office (for example getting an extension of stay) you don't need to submit a TM30 for them (of course by law theoretically you would have to, but nobody would check this, so practically you don't)

[phuketrichard]

just did a NEW TM 30report in Phuket cause i left the country and returned,

house is owned by a farang,

needed POA with stamps, copy his passport

copy my passport, arrival card and visa

he also photographed ( using his smart phone) every document,

talk about wasted time

 

PS  I also had left the country in June an returned in august and never bothered doing a new tm30

they didn't say a word ????

[Golden Triangle]

2 hours ago, Sheryl said:

First if all, if they are just visiting temporarily and will nto be needing an extension of stay I personally would not bother with it, but technically yes, you are supposed to do this.

 

 

 

1. "on the top part of the TM30 do I put my details and address (the lease is in my name) at the top of the form, as below it asks for exactly the same address "

 

Yes. You repeat the same info.

 

2. "Do I also need to provide copies of their Passports with VOA and TM6 pages included"

 

 Yes - with their signature on the copies. And they will also want signed copies of your passport (face page, visa page, most recent extension page, last entry stamp  and TM6), the tabian ban for your location and your lease. If you do not have a copy of the tabian ban can try without if but if possible include.

      This is based on what my IO wants, YMMV. In my case they are not happy with just my tabian ban (yellow tabian ban listing me) and I also have to submit copy of my land lease and chanote.

 

It makes quite a pile and multiple that by 100 times that I have had to do this and all the 90 reports i have done (same attachments) you get an idea of the volume  of sheer paper that is housed there somewhere all certifying my presence at a permanent address I have nto left in 20 years and never plan to....????

 

 

Thanks Sheryl, that is about the most concise answer I have received so far, I think I will have a look around the area for a small guest house and then pass on the address to my daughter for the TM6 as mentioned by another poster somewhere within the vast halls of Thai Visa, they will only be with me & the Mrs for 3 or 4 days and will then hit Krabi from BKK. I'm not gonna lose any sleep over this ludicrous "Lets tail the foreigner crap"  Once again thanks. ????  

[Maestro]

4 hours ago, phuketrichard said:

...needed POA with stamps, copy his passport...

What is POA?

 

What type of stamps were needed with the POA?

[CharlieH]

9 minutes ago, Maestro said:

What is POA?

 

What type of stamps were needed with the POA?

Could that be a typo and should be VOA?

[aldriglikvid]

Hi guys, 

 

I'm re-entering the country tomorrow and will to the reporting myself, the owner refuses. My immigration is Jomtien. 

 

The only one who seems to be confused about the layout is me, so I would really appreciate your help here...

 

If you look at my marks. Please point out where I'm off and correct how it should be. 

 

Thanks! 

 

Is there any other attachments I need to bring to immigration? Passport copies, etc.? 

Edited October 30, 2018 by aldriglikvid

[melvinmelvin]

53 minutes ago, aldriglikvid said:

Hi guys, 

 

I'm re-entering the country tomorrow and will to the reporting myself, the owner refuses. My immigration is Jomtien. 

 

The only one who seems to be confused about the layout is me, so I would really appreciate your help here...

 

If you look at my marks. Please point out where I'm off and correct how it should be. 

 

Thanks! 

 

Is there any other attachments I need to bring to immigration? Passport copies, etc.? 

the upper address field is for the owner, ie where he-she lives

the lower is the address you stay at

to be signed by owner

 

no you do not write below the dotted line

 

and you will need the name list, also to be signed by owner

 

I always attach signed copies of passport (photo page, arrival stamp, visa) and departure card