Put your cards on the table, EU makes last Brexit call to Britain

[dick dasterdly]

21 hours ago, Grouse said:

I really have no wish to bicker with you. I'm sorry that you have not noticed my moderated  tone.

 

What is your opinion of May's new proposals. You certainly used to be famous for taking the middle position!

I still have no idea as to what the cabinet 'agreement' actually means, when it comes to:-

 

1) the 'open doors' policy

2) payments to the eu

3) ability to trade with non-eu countries

4) etc. etc.!

 

So I'm back to sitting on the fence until further information is released.

[nauseus]

15 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I still have no idea as to what the cabinet 'agreement' actually means, when it comes to:-

 

1) the 'open doors' policy

2) payments to the eu

3) ability to trade with non-eu countries

4) etc. etc.!

 

So I'm back to sitting on the fence until further information is released.

Hope there's no razor wire or HV up there Dick.

 

How's Muttley?

 

 

[tomacht8]

The idea to give the UK a role collecting customs duties for the EU – an idea that has been dismissed as a non-starter.

The untested idea has run into a brick wall of opposition, partly because EU officials do not trust UK authorities. The European commission is taking legal action against the UK, having accused British official of lax customs controls that allowed fake Chinese goods to flood into European markets, losing the EU budget €2.7bn (£2.4bn). The UK border force is asleep at the wheel and it’s going to cost the taxpayer billions.

The new but necessary border control costs will be many times higher than the costs for the entire eu parliament.

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

If you want to read that as blaming then some kind of blaming might be read into everything that people write. Why cannot the EU's bigger troubles be considered with Brexit; they are relevant but remainers hate to discuss them. 

Only leavers think they have any real significance, the EU will continue irrespective any particular domestic issue. Those that want to see the breakup of a union should be looking closer to home.

[nauseus]

Just now, sandyf said:

Only leavers think they have any real significance, the EU will continue irrespective any particular domestic issue. Those that want to see the breakup of a union should be looking closer to home.

Several more assumptions in a bottle with no true message. You really are hopeless.

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, tebee said:

I agree it will probably be rejected  by the EU - but May has already compromised and breached her own red lines. The EU have proved themselves much more skilled negotiators than her and I can see them using this to extract still more concessions from her  - - of course if she is still a remainder at heart as you believe, this may be precisely what she wants.

 

I can't see the hard brexiters getting more support for their position soon and they seem to believe they can't prevale now, so I think they have been neutralized. 

 

I still think EEA+ CU is likely end result. May does not want to be remembered as the PM that lost one million British jobs, so brexit means brexit may just mean brexit in name only.

 

Pleased to see the FT  thinks the same too 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/07013fbe-8120-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475

The EEA route was the most obvious option from day one, options now have been severely restricted, almost take what she can get from the EU or take the DC route.

[sandyf]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Several more assumptions in a bottle with no true message. You really are hopeless.

Default escape route.

[dick dasterdly]

As far as I can make out, the uk govt. has said it will provide more info. as to the proposed 'agreement' next week?

 

At the moment, I've no idea as to their 'agreement'!

[aright]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't you not use the term "CU shackles", but of course you are perfectly free to deny the implication, will take that as read.

What is really boring is the stream of posts and opinion on the demise of the EU, like some sort of vindication for brexit. People should be more concerned about what is happening to the UK than the other side of the channel.

 

28 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Only leavers think they have any real significance, the EU will continue irrespective any particular domestic issue. Those that want to see the breakup of a union should be looking closer to home.

 

"People should be more concerned about what is happening to the UK than the other side of the channel."

 

"Only leavers think they have any real significance, the EU will continue irrespective any particular domestic issue."

 

Why? When I made my voting decision it was based as much on what the UK was moving toward, as what the UK was leaving behind. The federalist movement, the undemocratic, unaccountable, increasingly extreme right wing nature, disregard for the effects of the euro on southern members, unemployment ; In short the direction of travel of the EU to me was/is a major concern not a mere domestic issue as it is for you.

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Default escape route.

Really hopeless.

[beautifulthailand99]

A top Brexiteer lawyer  has examined the document in detail - apparently we are now a vassal state with no power to change EU laws whilst remaining aligned to them. And that's if the EU agrees - anyway all she wants you to do is take away the top line message we are Leaving the EU -so wave your flag at that....

It was produced by Martin Howe QC, a leading barrister and expert in EU law who has delivered around 10 presentations to the ERG over the last two years. His legal opinion is:

 

https://www.scribd.com/document/383400078/Chequers-Briefing-Memo-draft-02#fullscreen&from_embed

 

This is his final damning conclusion.....

 

These proposals therefore lead directly to a worst-of-all-worlds “Black Hole” Brexit where the UK is stuck permanently as a vassal state in the EU’s legal and regulatory tarpit, still has to obey EU laws and ECJ rulings across vast areas, cannot develop an effective international trade policy or adapt our economy to take advantage of the freedom of Brexit, and has lost its vote and treaty vetos rights as an EU Member State

Edited July 8, 2018 by beautifulthailand99

[The Renegade]

31 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

A top Brexiteer lawyer  has examined the document in detail

Ain't it amazing that a lawyer has managed to scrutinise the 100 page document when MP's have not even seen it yet, The best they have seen is a 3 page summary.

 

Opening line

 

Quote

This memo is based on the press statement issued by the government on 6 July 2018, which lacks details in a number of key areas.

How does this fit in with

 

'' Examined the document in detail '' ?

 

Christ on a bike

Edited July 8, 2018 by The Renegade

[beautifulthailand99]

4 hours ago, The Renegade said:

Ain't it amazing that a lawyer has managed to scrutinise the 100 page document when MP's have not even seen it yet, The best they have seen is a 3 page summary.

 

Opening line

 

How does this fit in with

 

'' Examined the document in detail '' ?

 

Christ on a bike

Clever people these barristers wouldn't care to argue with one - anyway the full text of the Brexit sell-out will be along shortly - tis a dog's dinner to be sure.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

A top Brexiteer lawyer  has examined the document in detail - apparently we are now a vassal state with no power to change EU laws whilst remaining aligned to them. And that's if the EU agrees - anyway all she wants you to do is take away the top line message we are Leaving the EU -so wave your flag at that....

It was produced by Martin Howe QC, a leading barrister and expert in EU law who has delivered around 10 presentations to the ERG over the last two years. His legal opinion is:

 

https://www.scribd.com/document/383400078/Chequers-Briefing-Memo-draft-02#fullscreen&from_embed

 

This is his final damning conclusion.....

 

These proposals therefore lead directly to a worst-of-all-worlds “Black Hole” Brexit where the UK is stuck permanently as a vassal state in the EU’s legal and regulatory tarpit, still has to obey EU laws and ECJ rulings across vast areas, cannot develop an effective international trade policy or adapt our economy to take advantage of the freedom of Brexit, and has lost its vote and treaty vetos rights as an EU Member State

One of the 'Project Fear' predictions was that the UK would become an effective 'vassal state' subject to EU law but with no control over EU law. 

 

This is now dawning on Brexiteers and they act like they discovered it.

[3NUMBAS]

wj

whatever theyre  offered they will never agree as thay want UK not to leave and keep  paying millions every month to keep their gravey train on the rails

[kwilco]

Davis resigns

The British government is a total shambles ... why? Because despite any small majority in a referendum, Brexit is not a single majority concept, it is a losely combined mish-mash of disparate bigots, thugs and racists who having whipped up a few gullible or dispossessed followers now couldn't even agree on how to order a pizza.

Still waiting to hear something good about Brexit .....

[tebee]

11 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Davis resigns

The British government is a total shambles ... why? Because despite any small majority in a referendum, Brexit is not a single majority concept, it is a losely combined mish-mash of disparate bigots, thugs and racists who having whipped up a few gullible or dispossessed followers now couldn't even agree on how to order a pizza.

Still waiting to hear something good about Brexit .....

And now Steve Baker too - who is next ?

[vogie]

44 minutes ago, tebee said:

And now Steve Baker too - who is next ?

May!

[tebee]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

May!

Wrong it was Suella Braverman

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

Davis resigns

The British government is a total shambles ... why? Because despite any small majority in a referendum, Brexit is not a single majority concept, it is a losely combined mish-mash of disparate bigots, thugs and racists who having whipped up a few gullible or dispossessed followers now couldn't even agree on how to order a pizza.

Still waiting to hear something good about Brexit .....

Oh dear it doesn't take long before the bigots thugs and racist cards get played. Shameful.

 

Over a million people is hardly a small majority.  People had an opportunity to oust the government in the snap election TM called. They didn't and voted on the manifesto of getting out of the EU, CU and SM.  That's what democracy is. If you disagree you have a chance to vote for someone who you agree with.  You do expect politicians to follow on their promises, especially when they were clear and precise.

 

Regardless when there was a clear distinct vote of leave (before you say everyone knew what that meant) and remain. The chaos  as it has been mentioned, is just down to a remainer leading the government to keep the UK in the EU.  This weekend and the last two years has clearly demonstrated it.

 

Well done David Davis for having principles. how on earth TM can expect anything less when she makes the decision what Brexit will be without even consulting the Brexit secretary. a clear show of by passing him and the result of the referendum. 

 

It will be interesting to see who will be next to resign. It just shows that TM has no intention of getting the UK out of the EU and she is a puppet of the EU. Something I was always suspicious of.

Edited July 9, 2018 by Laughing Gravy
Grammar police

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, tebee said:

Wrong it was Suella Braverman

With all the gloating we've had from the remainers over the last couple of days this shambles is far from over. She has to go, I just cannot believe how weak she is.

[sandyf]

18 hours ago, aright said:

 

 

"People should be more concerned about what is happening to the UK than the other side of the channel."

 

"Only leavers think they have any real significance, the EU will continue irrespective any particular domestic issue."

 

Why? When I made my voting decision it was based as much on what the UK was moving toward, as what the UK was leaving behind. The federalist movement, the undemocratic, unaccountable, increasingly extreme right wing nature, disregard for the effects of the euro on southern members, unemployment ; In short the direction of travel of the EU to me was/is a major concern not a mere domestic issue as it is for you.

 

Feel free to change context. 

You are expressing a personal opinion, my comment was addressed at the barrage of posts we get on other countries problems.

[The Renegade]

As I said on Saturday, expect to see a leadership challenge very soon, especially if the EU accept this '' fudge '' from May.

[The Renegade]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

It will be interesting to see who will be next to resign. It just shows that TM has no intention of getting the UK out of the EU and she is a puppet of the EU. Something I was always suspicious of.

 

Her meeting with Merkel on Thursday tells you all you need to know.

 

[metisdead]

An offensive post has been reported and now removed. 

[aright]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

The federalist movement, the undemocratic, unaccountable, increasingly extreme right wing nature, disregard for the effects of the euro on southern members, unemployment

 

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

Feel free to change context. 

You are expressing a personal opinion, my comment was addressed at the barrage of posts we get on other countries problems.

So other cross channel countries so called domestic problems shouldn't be raised then because they  aren't an EU problem?

Hopeless! 

Edited July 9, 2018 by aright

[sandyf]

16 minutes ago, aright said:

 

So other cross channel countries so called domestic problems shouldn't be raised then because they  aren't an EU problem?

Hopeless! 

 4 hours ago, sandyf said:

The federalist movement, the undemocratic, unaccountable, increasingly extreme right wing nature, disregard for the effects of the euro on southern members, unemployment

 

I said no such thing so do not go off at a tangent with misquotes and stop trying to change the context of the original point.

"Only leavers think they have any real significance, the EU will continue irrespective any particular domestic issue."

 

The brexit negotiations will continue with the EU irrespective of the likes of Merkel being there or not so why should the leavers feel there is some obligation to discuss these domestic issues. I remember, they think it is the strongest weapon in their armoury.

[sandyf]

The only border control that will work is reunification.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ireland-uk-border-passports-people-smuggling-common-travel-area-nca-a8433286.html

[The manic]

On 6/30/2018 at 8:31 AM, bristolboy said:

Interesting to know it's only non-Brits who think that way.

Give the other EU members the vote then. A referendums in every country 

[The manic]

7 hours ago, kwilco said:

Davis resigns

The British government is a total shambles ... why? Because despite any small majority in a referendum, Brexit is not a single majority concept, it is a losely combined mish-mash of disparate bigots, thugs and racists who having whipped up a few gullible or dispossessed followers now couldn't even agree on how to order a pizza.

Still waiting to hear something good about Brexit .....

You answered your own question. Hate filled rhetoric from the losers and cowards. Thats all you have.