Do you know the limits of your bike - especially cornering?

[sawadee1947]

What a question....?

Try it and you will feel it

[OneMoreFarang]

21 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

What a question....?

Try it and you will feel it

What an answer.

Try it and find the limit and you will feel it a lot, because it will hurt a lot.

 

As far as I know professional riders know where the limits are and they know how to handle the bike at that limit. But I am sure many of them learned those limits the hard way. Most of us are not willing to do that.

[runamok27]

Trying to find the limits of your bike on Thailand roads is a death wish that will very likely come true. I road raced motorcycles for many years when I was younger and even pushing the limits on a race track is extremely dangerous. I actually don't like riding motorcycles in Thailand at all since it seems to me that the cars and trucks in Thailand don't really care if they hit a motorcycle.

[thaiguzzi]

21 hours ago, kannot said:

and  round  that  next  bend  could be somchai  parked or a  herd  of  cows/goats etc

Can happen anywhere.

When we were 16 and racing each other on 50cc mopeds out in the middle of nowhere (Honda SS50 and Yamaha FS1E), my mate went round a blind 90 degree corner first and straight into the back of a parked milk float.

Same mate later came off (same road) on horse shIt on same bike.

Unlucky.

[OneMoreFarang]

14 minutes ago, thaiguzzi said:

Can happen anywhere.

When we were 16 and racing each other on 50cc mopeds out in the middle of nowhere (Honda SS50 and Yamaha FS1E), my mate went round a blind 90 degree corner first and straight into the back of a parked milk float.

Same mate later came off (same road) on horse shIt on same bike.

Unlucky.

I am not sure unlucky is the correct word for riding fast around a  "blind 90 degree corner".

I don't say I never did such thing when I was young. But most of us learn after a while that hoping for the best is not good enough.

[Nemises]

On 8/5/2018 at 3:44 PM, Vacuum said:

I would not want to know.

Then why waste your time opening the thread after reading the topic?

[Vacuum]

1 hour ago, Nemises said:

Then why waste your time opening the thread after reading the topic?

Time is free. Nothing wasted.

[Nemises]

Time is free. Nothing wasted.

Nothing better to do with your time other then to sabotage other member’s topics by posting that you have no interest in their particular topic?

Sad.

[amexpat]

19 minutes ago, Nemises said:

Nothing better to do with your time other then to sabotage other member’s topics by posting that you have no interest in their particular topic?

Sad.

Vacuum has a valid opinion. Read deeper. 

[Rhys]

.....awh what is counter steering...

 

[OneMoreFarang]

8 minutes ago, Rhys said:

.....awh what is counter steering...

 

Google is your friend...

[lvr181]

14 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Google is your friend...

Love this pic.

 

Somewhere I have a similar picture of myself (taken by a friend at the race meeting.), road racing on a production machine, adopting the same stance. Back "in the day" tyres were not quite as grippy as todays rubber. Like this rider, I knew at that moment I was on the limit. 

 

At least when racing everyone is travelling in the same direction - generally speaking. 

[Kwasaki]

15 hours ago, Rhys said:

.....awh what is counter steering...

 

Something my wife knew nothing about until I showed her but she still goes around corners slow enough not to use it.

Her limit on cornering is upright. ?

[OneMoreFarang]

13 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Something my wife knew nothing about until I showed her but she still goes around corners slow enough not to use it.

Her limit on cornering is upright. ?

Interesting comment.

Do you really know when you use counter steering? Do you actively think about using it?

 

Personally I rode bikes for many years until I ever heard about that counter steering concept. Then at some time I observed what I was doing when I ride into corners and I noticed I use counter steering. But then, don't we all use it?

I think the question is only if we know we use it or if we just use it. It's like riding a bicycle. I guess it would be difficult to explain to a new rider in words what he has to do to stay on the bike and to ride corners. People practice and then they just do it - whatever name "it" has.

[Kwasaki]

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Do you really know when you use counter steering? Do you actively think about using it?

Yes & Yes !!   On track days the use of pushing or pulling the bars is done a lot and essential most of the time.

On the road the leaning of the bike does a lot of the tracking most of the time,  opposite steer or counter steering is something the bike does by itself without some people even aware of it.

When I trained people riding a motorbike for the first time many were unaware about this type of steering control of the motorbike, it can become quite dangerous when going around corner and you are drifting off your line of the road and you turn handlebars the wrong way.

I can believe a percentage of head on accidents or going off road with motorcycles on bending roads are due to bad steering techniques by the rider but usually put down to speed.     

[Kwasaki]

JW way back before MM was born.

 

[Damrongsak]

On 8/8/2018 at 7:41 AM, Rhys said:

.....awh what is counter steering...

 

More counter steering.  Last pic is no steering, which is not recommended.  Though it does reduce tire wear.

 

[Damrongsak]

Here's a guy who knows a bit about cornering limits.

 

 

[papa al]

on the curves

papa always worries that a snake or pot-hole might run out in front.,

so slow.

[Damrongsak]

12 minutes ago, papa al said:

on the curves

papa always worries that a snake or pot-hole might run out in front.,

so slow.

I was doing a bit of power slide once on a clear, hard, flat dirt surface on my Honda SL125 one time.  When I picked myself up, there was a coconut sized rock that had crawled up out of the ground and attacked my rear tire. 

[user343434]

one or two piston engine and at every tree an ignition is just the limits I use to set in Thailand.

Gives a bit more room to react to those who exceeded the limits and climbing off over the steering bar  in front of you... 

[Rhys]

... well....hmm... I lean into the turns, slide the bottom to that side, but nothing as radical as the post.   I think whatever you call it as it has been said,  it do it without naming it...

 

on the pegs... Do it in the dirt..

 

But watch the streets of BKK and up country.

[Kwasaki]

8 hours ago, Damrongsak said:

More counter steering.  Last pic is no steering, which is not recommended.  Though it does reduce tire wear.

 

I not so sure that's counter-steer more like power sliding steering, the last one looks like a high-side going into action.

[Kwasaki]

10 hours ago, Damrongsak said:

 

Yeah shame about Nicky getting killed on a fligging bicycle after all those escapes in racing and MotoGP. RIP.