Britain in Brexit chaos - parliament crushes May's EU deal again

[AGareth2]

56 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

the longstanding original plan for this week was

day1 - debates - vote may-deal if fails - debates vote no deal

 

but maybe MPs got scared of missing closing time

 

 

 

there is a bar in the House

[Prissana Pescud]

59 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

the longstanding original plan for this week was

day1 - debates - vote may-deal if fails - debates vote no deal

 

but maybe MPs got scared of missing closing time

 

 

 

They got scared of missing the mass debate because they are all a bunch of winkers

[whatsupdoc]

15 minutes ago, Prissana Pescud said:

Why worry about that. They are unelected spongers on the public purse. And they tell Britain what to do without election or mandate.

Regardless of the 73 seats. It is like the UN. Other than the security council, unelected buffoons from all non western countries

try to impose rules that overrule the elected government and their mandate. 

Brexiteers logic??? Elected MEP's are unelected???? Whatever.....

[sammieuk1]

Boris Boris where the ---k is Boris to explain this better deal out than in deal he said we would get????

[soalbundy]

6 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

Boris Boris where the ---k is Boris to explain this better deal out than in deal he said we would get????

He has to hire a bigger bus first or paint over how all that saved money is going into the NHS.????

[Loiner]

16 days and counting. There isn’t enough time left for them to complete all their trickery to avoid Leaving on the 29th.


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[sammieuk1]

4 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

He has to hire a bigger bus first or paint over how all that saved money is going into the NHS.????

It will be a bendy bus currently on a tour of the Caymans ????

[malibukid]

great news, i can get a deal on those nice Harbeth speakers????

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Prissana Pescud said:

You are totally wrong. The UK had no time to think about negotiating Brexit because the whole show was hijacked by Ms May and her corrupt party.

You fail to see the politics in this and the way she has poisoned the will of the people.

The whole object of her so called negotiations is to constantly negate the possibility of Brexit ever happening.

Because she is a total liar who has wanted No Brexit right from the word go and has put every obstacle in the way to make it not happen.

Everytime her version was defeated, she had a speech ready to roll out because she knew it would be defeated.

Britain has been dudded by this immoral person, the worst politician since Heath and Chamberlain.

You might have a point if:

 

Brexiteers had ever had a plan.

 

The leaders of Brexit taken the lead rather than bickering from behind and refusing to step forward when the arose. 

 

The ERG has actually produced the Plan B they vociferously promised.

 

 

As it is, Brexiteers failed to plan, planned to fail.

 

And surprise surprise, the failure of their Brexit is all somebody else’s fault.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

It isn't a dream it was a democratic referendum result. I believe you are gloating but I don't know why. It is certainly not over by a long way. There are many possibilities that can happen but not leaving the EU one day, is not one of them. It might not happen on the 29th March but it will. To think that is really dreaming.

It certainly isn’t over.

 

As Farage himself said:

 

’A 48:52 result would be unfinished business’.

 

 

[mickymouse1]

Despite failure to uphold democratic process and inability to get the Brexit deal through,the Government is refusing to resign or call an early election.

This is worse than R.Mugabe or the fugitive Takhsin. 

 

[sanemax]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You might have a point if:

Brexiteers had ever had a plan.

 

The leaders of Brexit taken the lead rather than bickering from behind and refusing to step forward when the arose. 

 

The ERG has actually produced the Plan B they vociferously promised.

 

 

As it is, Brexiteers failed to plan, planned to fail.

 

And surprise surprise, the failure of their Brexit is all somebody else’s fault.

Its down the the government to decide how to proceed , its not down to the voters to dictate to the Government about how to proceed .

   Did you expect 17 million Brexit voters to all go to Brussels and negotiate with the E,U. ?

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

the longstanding original plan for this week was

day1 - debates - vote may-deal if fails - debates vote no deal

 

but maybe MPs got scared of missing closing time

 

 

 

No. It was always a 3 day event

[sanemax]

20 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

He has to hire a bigger bus first or paint over how all that saved money is going into the NHS.????

Although that isnt what was said on the bus , 

[Prissana Pescud]

38 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

Brexiteers logic??? Elected MEP's are unelected???? Whatever.....

And when was the last time you cast a ballot for any of these spongers.

Ahh, whatever

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Its down the the government to decide how to proceed , its not down to the voters to dictate to the Government about how to proceed .

   Did you expect 17 million Brexit voters to all go to Brussels and negotiate with the E,U. ?

So erm nothing at all to do with how the Tory party chooses it’s PM and who chooses/balks at standing for the job?!

 

Nothing at all to do with the absence of a Brexit plan?!

 

Nothing at all to do with the leaders of Brexit failing to step up

and deliver what they promised?!

 

[AlexRich]

3 hours ago, vinny41 said:

If the Tory remainers  in Leave voting areas are removed at the next General Election and replaced with new leaving candidates  there will be no split 

Brexit Barometer shows ten point lead for Conservatives

https://www.kantar.com/public/our-thinking/latest/brexit-barometer-march

According to these estimates, around 75% of constituencies that were won by the Conservatives in the 2017 general election voted to Leave, while around 61% of Labour constituencies voted to Leave.13 Jul 2018

https://fullfact.org/europe/did-majority-conservative-and-labour-constituencies-vote-leave-eu-referendum/

What if they stand as independents, and split the vote?

[AlexRich]

3 hours ago, sanemax said:

Politicians want to leave with no deal and that is what they are insisting on and that is why this deal was rejected , Leave means Leave , no deal

Well your predictive ability gets tested today ... it will be no surprise to TV observers that it will be found wanting.

[Kieran00001]

4 hours ago, AlexRich said:

What a calamity! So the ERG have implemented yet another "cunning plan" that would make even Baldrick squirm. Tomorrow "no deal" is off the table and the next day an extension of Article 50 will be voted for ... eventually parliament will come round to a second referendum to break the impasse. And we'll have no Brexit at all.

 

Mrs May will be voting to reject "no deal", and her MP's will be given a free vote. Anyone thinking that the UK is leaving with "no deal" on the 29 March 2019 hasn't been paying attention.

 

A plague on both your houses.

 

The EU have already stated that they will not offer a short extension, if we do request one then it will most likely be another 2 years, after which time the demographics will have changed by about 4 million people, which is 10% of the eligible voting population, it would be very wrong to deny them the choice in another referendum.

[sanemax]

Just now, AlexRich said:

Well your predictive ability gets tested today ... it will be no surprise to TV observers that it will be found wanting.

Why did the politicians vote against the deal with the E.U then ?

[SheungWan]

57 minutes ago, Prissana Pescud said:

They got scared of missing the mass debate because they are all a bunch of winkers

Brexiteers set out their plans for the rest of the week.

[SheungWan]

51 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

Boris Boris where the ---k is Boris to explain this better deal out than in deal he said we would get????

Hiding from wanting to own the consequences of the abandonment of border backstop in the event of no-deal.

Edited March 13, 2019 by SheungWan

[AlexRich]

2 hours ago, Prissana Pescud said:

I suspect Brexit was a peoples referendum.

When it got up the Conservatives put in place a plan for it to fail and so far that plan is on track.

 Where Ms May politics overrules the will of a popular vote. 

History will remember her as to most conniving and unscrupulous and immoral PM ever.

History will remember her as someone’s who worked tirelessly to square a circle. There is no Brexit that every leaver can get behind, that unicorn never existed, it is different things to different people ... and the land of milk and honey promises have been replaced with “we survived the war, so we can survive this” ... the slogan that should have been on the bus, but no one would have voted for in sufficient numbers.

 

 

[Prissana Pescud]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You might have a point if:

 

Brexiteers had ever had a plan.

 

The leaders of Brexit taken the lead rather than bickering from behind and refusing to step forward when the arose. 

 

The ERG has actually produced the Plan B they vociferously promised.

 

 

As it is, Brexiteers failed to plan, planned to fail.

 

And surprise surprise, the failure of their Brexit is all somebody else’s fault.

Mmm. The problem appears to be that the referendum was couched in such a way that no options or direction was offered.

But that is not the problem.

 Other than Ms May, my way or no deal, no one, no opposition, no electorate has been allowed to offer input.

The whole referendum has been hijacked with the Conservatives offering so called options,

which their own party then refuses to endorse.

 The whole strategy has been to throw up no deals until the time has run out.

Because Ms May is prepared to pretend she is offering the best deal, knowing her party will block the unacceptable deal.

She has hijacked democracy and the will of the people. She is totally immoral in her endeavours but she is a puppet of the Conservative Party that is directing her.

[AlexRich]

6 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Why did the politicians vote against the deal with the E.U then ?

There was no single reason, and many of them are radically opposed to each other. Extreme Brexiteers think they can engineer no deal. Extreme Remainers a referendum and no Brexit. But the majority will reject no deal.

[sanemax]

Just now, AlexRich said:

History will remember her as someone’s who worked tirelessly to square a circle. There is no Brexit that every leaver can get behind, that unicorn never existed, it is different things to different people ... 

No, its is quite straight forward . 

Leave the E.U.

That is what voters wanted 

Leave the E.U.

It was a short , simple , straight forward question and people answered that question .

They want to leave the E.U

 

[Baerboxer]

4 hours ago, sanemax said:

More likely that a General election will be held to get new M.P's in to break the deadlock

 

Only if that happens there's every chance Comrade Corbyn might scrape in, on a minority or very small majority government; backed by the SNP and other minority parties.

 

He doesn't like the EU but favors a soft Brexit, staying in the custom's union etc. 

 

More deadlock with a dangerous lunatic throwback at the helm!

 

The Tories factions will be fighting hard to get their chosen leader in the seat to replace May. Might just break their party up. Ironic as this whole mess came about because of efforts to stop them fracturing.

[AlexRich]

2 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

What happens if just one of the 27 member state refuses the extension? Then we leave by default

Let’s see if that happens. My view is that it is already agreed.

[LucysDad]

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

No, its is quite straight forward . 

Leave the E.U.

That is what voters wanted 

Leave the E.U.

It was a short , simple , straight forward question and people answered that question .

They want to leave the E.U

 

 

Never has it been more so.

[SheungWan]

2 minutes ago, Prissana Pescud said:

Mmm. The problem appears to be that the referendum was couched in such a way that no options or direction was offered.

But that is not the problem.

 Other than Ms May, my way or no deal, no one, no opposition, no electorate has been allowed to offer input.

The whole referendum has been hijacked with the Conservatives offering so called options,

which their own party then refuses to endorse.

 The whole strategy has been to throw up no deals until the time has run out.

Because Ms May is prepared to pretend she is offering the best deal, knowing her party will block the unacceptable deal.

She has hijacked democracy and the will of the people. She is totally immoral in her endeavours but she is a puppet of the Conservative Party that is directing her.

The Labour Party has had several opportunities to put an alternative case and has failed every time, mostly due to its own internal civil war but don't let that stop Brexiteers shoveling up yet more bogus Conspiracy Theory nonsense.