What is your legal status and consequences if failing to meet a post seasoning bank book check?

[steve73]

I'm not trying to be funny, but surely it's pretty obvious.

 

If you are told (or get a letter) that you need to show your bank book to your I/O at 3 months, then if you have dropped below 800k you risk having your extension cancelled (in much the same way as if you lose your job or divorce). If you are out of the country on this date, you should comply as soon as you return, or if (the system allows) you (to) do your next 90 day report on-line, you should still visit your I/O with your bank-book as requested.

 

If you are not asked to show your bank-book at 3 months, then there is no immediate worry about your extension being cancelled if you drop below the required minimums, but it's highly likely that your NEXT extension would be refused, even if you comply with the 2 (or 3) months pre-seasoning requirement.

 

The rules are clear (well, actually they're not) but you would be as well to comply with the most severe interpretation of them..  

[david555]

A side note :
For those who for a serious reason could forsee the need to go UNDER those limits  i think it would be wise to not take under before you voided your ret .ext. 
example by going out country whiteout a re entry...,so making your ret .Ext. void …,by air and re enter on visa exempt (or other ..) 
Then you can witdraw/ use the money whiteout being in breaking those rules , who is only for the ret.ext holders , and as under visa exempt you are not ..., so never a problem to arrange as soon as  financial possible back to a ret.ext operation , so you never broke their rulings !!  And avoiding any bad history stamping on your file or passport .

Use their rules in your favor....

On contrary if you would have go under when still a ret ext. holder ! 

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, david555 said:

A side note :
For those who for a serious reason could forsee the need to go UNDER those limits  i think it would be wise to not take under before you voided your ret .ext. 
example by going out country whiteout a re entry...,so making your ret .Ext. void …,by air and re enter on visa exempt (or other ..) 
Then you can witdraw/ use the money whiteout being in breaking those rules , who is only for the ret.ext holders , and as under visa exempt you are not ..., so never a problem to arrange as soon as  financial possible back to a ret.ext operation , so you never broke their rulings !!  And avoiding any bad history stamping on your file or passport .

Use their rules in your favor....

On contrary if you would have go under when still a ret ext. holder ! 

Yes, and it really is convenient that there are numerous neighboring countries that people can "flee" to from the grips of the not a joke at all Thai immigration enforcement policies. For retirees especially Cambodia offers a quick, easy, and not expensive one year legal stay almost instantly. I totally agree. Be proactive. Do all you can to avoid getting into potential trouble. If you see it's going to happen -- GET OUT OF DODGE before it does. Sadly, there are cases where "stuff" can happen without warning that could put people into non-compliance zones while still in Thailand.

[david555]

23 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, and it really is convenient that there are numerous neighboring countries that people can "flee" to from the grips of the not a joke at all Thai immigration enforcement policies. For retirees especially Cambodia offers a quick, easy, and not expensive one year legal stay almost instantly. I totally agree. Be proactive. Do all you can to get into potential trouble. If you see it's going to happen -- GET OUT OF DODGE before it does. Sadly, there are cases where "stuff" can happen without warning that could put people into non-compliance zones while still in Thailand.

Another dilemma come in my mind , what if you no longer want to keep the ret ext . at the full end …, so you do not season 800k for the 2 (3) months , I would see it as it is a requirement for a new one ,which you don't want any longer …So just as stopping a end contract , not breaking law 

 

BUT what about the 400K who must remain the 7 months as a rule and that could breaking law as not following if you witdraw in that ending period of example 2 months ??…… whole this thing is open for different interpretations and not thought out

 

Update 

So to play safe you must apply what I said before and leave the country before at a safe timing , come in again other status to safe collect your money , as by expiring ret. ext date is the same date you must leave Thailand 

 

Of course Thai immigration thought we never like to leave Paradise Thailand ????….But slowly the are missing that point ….as enough is too much ...

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

Another dilemma come in my mind , what if you no longer want to keep the ret ext . at the full end …, so you do not season 800k for the 2 (3) months , I would see it as it is a requirement for a new one ,which you don't want any longer …So just as stopping a end contract , not breaking law 

 

BUT what about the 400K who must remain the 7 months as a rule and that could breaking law as not following if you witdraw in that ending period of example 2 months ??…… whole this thing is open for different interpretations and not thought out

Exactly. Not thought out at all.

It's obvious immigration doesn't even know.

This is a mess, similar to the current combo method application situation where people seem to have 100 different "theories" on how it's supposed to work, but you might prepare for it and be told -- we don't do those (too complicated and we don't know how they work either). 

What amazes me are the people that don't see yet what's happening with these much less than half baked changes and act like it's nothing.

[balo]

According to my friend , the agent route is still working, 15-20k fee , if you live in Pattaya.  So I would not give up Thailand just yet. 

 

[jacko45k]

On 3/18/2019 at 11:23 AM, steve73 said:

but it's highly likely that your NEXT extension would be refused, even if you comply with the 2 (or 3) months pre-seasoning requirement.

Despite the fact that the regulations do not specify any reason for that refusal! If the prior extension is declared void one could retroactively be declared on overstay, or at least you would be in need of a new Non-Imm-O entry. 

[JackThompson]

4 hours ago, balo said:

According to my friend , the agent route is still working, 15-20k fee , if you live in Pattaya.  So I would not give up Thailand just yet.

Yes, that's obviously what they were after all along. 

 

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Despite the fact that the regulations do not specify any reason for that refusal! If the prior extension is declared void one could retroactively be declared on overstay, or at least you would be in need of a new Non-Imm-O entry. 

Yes.  So if one is in the hospital, and intends to continue living here beyond the current extension - if you withdraw the money to pay for care, make sure they immediately file a medical-extension for you - since you aren't supposed to actually "use" the money, which you are supposed to be holding in case you need to use it, but really can't use it. 

 

Alternatively, sneak out of the country as soon as stabilized, staying away from your immigration-office in the meantime, since the bank isn't going to call up immigration and report your transgression.  The IO at the airport would not know you had broken the terms of your extension, and were technically on overstay, so you can make your escape.  The bad-clique at Immigration will be happy there is one less farang in the country.

 

If you stay away some months (maybe a year?), perhaps can come back with a new Non-O, open an account at a different bank, and start over.  If they ask about the last extension, just say you had to leave.  If they ask about the old bank-account, you closed it and don't have an account at that bank any more.  But who knows, they might demand the old-bank account bank-statement to verify "prior compliance" on your last extension (in their computer, so a "new passport" won't help), before ever allowing you to apply for an extension again ...

... unless you use an agent, of course.

 

They wrote the "new rules" in such a way that many people will get tripped-up unintentionally - not to "stop the bad guys," whom they actively-assist with their agent-partners.

[jacko45k]

2 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

If you stay away some months (maybe a year?), perhaps can come back with a new Non-O, open an account at a different bank, and start over

If you can get a COR now!! 

[SheungWan]

On 3/18/2019 at 5:40 PM, Jingthing said:

Exactly. Not thought out at all.

It's obvious immigration doesn't even know.

This is a mess, similar to the current combo method application situation where people seem to have 100 different "theories" on how it's supposed to work, but you might prepare for it and be told -- we don't do those (too complicated and we don't know how they work either). 

What amazes me are the people that don't see yet what's happening with these much less than half baked changes and act like it's nothing.

Those who are on the borderline trip-wires and in addition freak out at the idea of using an agent instead, should prepare to leave and go somewhere else if not already done so.

[Jingthing]

Yes.  So if one is in the hospital, and intends to continue living here beyond the current extension - if you withdraw the money to pay for care, make sure they immediately file a medical-extension for you - since you aren't supposed to actually "use" the money, which you are supposed to be holding in case you need to use it, but really can't use it. 
 
Alternatively, sneak out of the country as soon as stabilized, staying away from your immigration-office in the meantime, since the bank isn't going to call up immigration and report your transgression.  The IO at the airport would not know you had broken the terms of your extension, and were technically on overstay, so you can make your escape.  The bad-clique at Immigration will be happy there is one less farang in the country.
 
If you stay away some months (maybe a year?), perhaps can come back with a new Non-O, open an account at a different bank, and start over.  If they ask about the last extension, just say you had to leave.  If they ask about the old bank-account, you closed it and don't have an account at that bank any more.  But who knows, they might demand the old-bank account bank-statement to verify "prior compliance" on your last extension (in their computer, so a "new passport" won't help), before ever allowing you to apply for an extension again ...
... unless you use an agent, of course.
 
They wrote the "new rules" in such a way that many people will get tripped-up unintentionally - not to "stop the bad guys," whom they actively-assist with their agent-partners.

Yeah. The rules contain booby traps. Intentional or not makes little difference.

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