TM30 about to get serious in Bangkok?

[Pravda]

There is a certain guy who has a FaceBook page related to Thai Visas only. I know him from other forums and he is quite reliable, kinda like UbonJoe.

 

Apparently there is a new section in Cheangwattana dedicated only to TM30 reports. He suggests that people in Bangkok on yearly extensions bite the bullet, pay 800b fine and report themselves.

 

Personally, I find it absolutely ridiculous that they are going after foreigners for something that should be landlords duty.

 

 

 

 

[attrayant]

Yes it happened to me.  I went to CW a few weeks ago to do a TM30 because my retirement extension is coming up and my last extension was done in Roi Et.  So I wanted to make sure that was out of the way when I came back for the retirement extension in May.

 

I lived with an extended family member in Roi Et, and apparently he did not register me.  This raised a flag in the system at CW, and I had to fork over 800B.

[userabcd]

Perhaps immigration should post big signs in airports and border crossings warning all travellers, tourists and resident aliens that they are responsible for ensuring their location is accurately reported within 24hrs to an immigration office at all times after travelling to a new location or the aliens risk being responsible for a fine.

Edited April 26, 2019 by userabcd

[Pravda]

Just now, userabcd said:

Perhaps immigration should post big signs in airports and border crossings warning all travellers, tourists and resident aliens that they are responsible for ensuring their location is accurately reported within 24hrs to an immigration office at all times after travelling to a new location or themselves risk being fined.

 

Well, most tourists stay in hotels, so it is a non issue for them.

 

I would imagine, however, that such sign would greatly disrupt tourist arrivals.

[brewsterbudgen]

It remains to be seen if it will be enforced for all Extensions.

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[Johnny Rotten]

Annual extension just to confirm you want a one year stay in LOS, while 90 day report is to check you are at same address. TM 30 is to get any movements inside or out of Thailand. This is the pot of gold that Immigration has been waiting for, although it is ludicrous why foreigners should have to pay into the pot on landlords' behalf. I would think that Embassies should take up the cudgel and complain before it is enforced rigorously in Bangkok. In fact, I have not heard or seen so much paperwork for visa checks anywhere in the world.

[yokat]

On the matter of reporting the address of a foreigner,  does filing a tm28 myself make it unnecessary for my landlord to file a tm30 or are they both needed ?

I usually found my landlords to be slow and unaware of the requirements. It usually needed my official moving date to be 'flexible'.

[Maestro]

2 hours ago, yokat said:

does filing a tm28 myself make it unnecessary for my landlord to file a tm30 or are they both needed ?

The TM.30 notification is in addition to the TM.28 notification.

 

If you live in a rented residence, the house-master/possessor, ie you, or the owner has to submit the TM.30.

[R123]

I know this has been asked many times before but:

 

If living in Thailand on a retirement visa with re-entry permit (CW office) then I take a trip outside Thailand...on return to Thailand , do I need to go to Immigration to file a TM 30 within 24 hours?

Even though address etc not changed? 

[SEtonal]

Before Songkran, it was reported here that there was a "TM30" desk set up at CW and they were refusing 30 day extensions to tourists who were staying in accmodations that had not reported their stay to immigration.  

 

It was also reported that there was a "TM30/TM28 raid" in the lobby of one of the Bangkok condos.  About ten Immigration Officers were demanding to see passports with TM30s or TM28s. 

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1093609-tourist-visa-extension-denied-at-immigration-office-due-to-missing-tm30-slip/
https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1093484-thai-immigration-check-bangkok/

[RobMuir]

I was down at Pattaya immigration and hadn’t bothered to do the TM 30 since being back in the country for 45 days. 

The immigration woman asked me, and I told her I had been staying in a pHuket hotel the whole time (I lied) and I had just got back to Pattaya that morning. They can’t check it.

 

So my suggestion to anyone in the same boat is simply lie and say you were staying in a hotel in a different province. 

Too easy.

[BritManToo]

4 hours ago, Pravda said:

Well, most tourists stay in hotels, so it is a non issue for them.

I would imagine, however, that such sign would greatly disrupt tourist arrivals.

Apparently it is an issue for them, and these were Chinese tourists.

Edited April 26, 2019 by BritManToo

[Pravda]

4 hours ago, attrayant said:

 

 

I lived with an extended family member in Roi Et, and apparently he did not register me.  This raised a flag in the system at CW, and I had to fork over 800B.

 

How much over? Itn't the penalty 800b?

[Pravda]

21 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Apparently it is an issue for them, and these were Chinese tourists.

 

I think I'm starting to understand peoeple who want to move to Cambodia, Philippines.....

 

I mean even if I got Thai Elite Visa what kind of benefit would that give me? Perhaps with failure to report myself the Elite Visa could be revoked.

[attrayant]

7 minutes ago, Pravda said:

 

How much over? Itn't the penalty 800b?

 

"Fork over" as in pay, surrender, give.  I had to pay 800B.

[Vacuum]

Just now, attrayant said:

 

"Fork over" as in pay, surrender, give.  I had to pay 800B.

Some offices like the sound of 1600.

[Mike Teavee]

I travel in & out every 2 weeks or so & have never done a TM30 but I'm led to believe that I can ask my Condo Management to file it for me (as Hotels do).

 

Would they understand me if I asked them to "File a TM30" for me or is there another name for it (Registration of Alien?!?) that they're more likely to recognize + should I expect to get some evidence in the form of a printout or something?

 

 

Thx

 

 

MTV

Edited April 26, 2019 by Mike Teavee

[richard_smith237]

This has the potential to be a proper PITA...  for someone who's in and out perhaps 20 times per year its lot of reporting. 

 

So far I just haven't bothered with it as it seems it was never an issue in Bangkok. But if this is starting to change I'll just have to wait and see until it definitely becomes an issue. 

 

I can see how Immigration might see this an an excellent money spinner. 

[keemapoot]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

This has the potential to be a proper PITA...  for someone who's in and out perhaps 20 times per year its lot of reporting. 

 

So far I just haven't bothered with it as it seems it was never an issue in Bangkok. But if this is starting to change I'll just have to wait and see until it definitely becomes an issue. 

 

I can see how Immigration might see this an an excellent money spinner. 

I'm in the same situation as you, travel a lot on business, have work permit and everything legal. I thought it did not apply to me and found out recently it's the same crap as everyone has been complaining about. I went to get a residence permit and they nailed me for 800 Baht, and warned me not to do it again. Also, I have residences to two provinces, and was told it didn't matter. Essentially, you have to rush to do that before anything else, even if in a remote province!  

 

Absolutely asinine and ridiculous burden for people.

[aree2]

I went to renew my annual Non-O visa (Retirement) on Wednesday 24th April at Chaeng Wattana, based on THB800K deposited in Bangkok Bank almost 3 months ago. (For the past 18 years, I've relied on an Embassy letter to certify my pension income).

 

In addition to my savings account passbook a friend had advised me to take a certified copy of the balance of the account and a certified statement of the transactions within the account with me too. I secured both these signed and stamped documents from the BKK Bank Silom head office late in the afternoon of Tuesday 23rd April (friendly service, no issues). 

 

At the Chaeng Wattana Immigration Office I was also given courteous service, but the issue of my visa was temporarily halted when I was asked to show a copy of a TM30 filing and receipt (which I didn't have) as well as a copy of my last 90 day report (which I did have).  

 

At the TM 30 desk (v. long queue) I pointed out that I rent my apartment in Bangkok, that I'm not the owner. The young girl in charge of the desk said, never mind, just fill the form in, and pay the fine (THB800), which I did (another long queue, one poor girl struggling with the paperwork there).

Given the TM30 receipt etc, my visa was renewed at once. 

 

Queries: 

In relation to filing the TM 30 in future: 
- can I do these filings online or in the post? 
- was the junior official correct to ask me to complete the TM 30 if I'm renting my apartment? If I must, I would in fact prefer to do these filings myself, to avoid troubling my landlord. But am I acting correctly by doing them? 
- do friends who arrive from overseas, who own an apartment here in Bangkok, but make short visits on tourist visas also need to file a T M 30 from now on?
 
In relation to the certified (signed and stamped) bank documents,
- can the branch of Bangkok Bank downstairs at Chaeng Wattana issue those to save having to make a trip to Bangkok Bank's Silom Head Office?

 

Advice welcome!

[edwardflory]

I did a TM-30, signing as "POSSESSOR", 6 months ago in BKK. Look at the SIGNATURE line on the form, strike out the 2 other titles.  Saying why  the landlord is unavailable and you can't contact him, I have signed the TM-30 as "POSSESSOR" because I just moved to the property, and am here to COMPLY with the regulations - DON'T LIE about anything!!!!!  Do within 24 hours.

 

If you plan your move in advance ( I try to do 30 days in advance ), you can get utility bills / deposit receipts / instillation paperwork to add proof to your legal "POSSESSION" of the property.

 

Have ORIGINAL Lease and 2 copies, complete a TM-28 ( Some offices USE a TM-47 instead - I have heard ) , complete a 90 day report ( TM-47 ), copy of PP photo page, copy of extension stamp page, copy of Departure Card ( TM-6 ), copy of entry stamp ( and re-entry stamps if you have ) page. Hand the " package" to the IO within 24 hours ( open IO days - best to move after 6PM on a Friday ) of moving ...... Its overkill ....., but I was done in 7 minutes at the IO's desk in BKK, the IO looked at me and said "Good". I also keep copies of filed paperwork and the numbered ticket.

[ The above was suggested to me by a Immigration Officer ]

 

"YES, Its the landlords responsibility to do a TM-30", but, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE keeping the NECESSARY paperwork to stay in the Kingdom UP TO DATE, If missing paperwork, YOU PAY the fine, and the infraction is ADDED to YOUR immigration computer file. QUIT bit¢¢ing about paperwork, I hate doing it also.

 

YOUR LOCAL IO SETS THE RULES / POLICY, learn what THEY want!!

 

I keep 3-5 ( or more ) blank copies of TM Forms of all of the above.  Also I keep copies of related PP pages and copies of my 2 issued Thai ID cards.

 

Related.,..Another headache, somewhat enforced. If you are hosting a foreigner on your property, you need to inform immigration of their presence by FILING a TM-30.  Any private home owner who fails to report a foreigner staying with them "within 24 hours of their arrival," could be fined 1,600 to 10,000 baht for EACH unreported person ......per the regulations......
So, if your foreign buddy "Joe the drunk" passes out drunk at your house, and sleeps on you floor overnight, you should do a TM-30 on Joe .... That's what the regs say, UGH!

 

Being respectful, period, when dealing with ANY government office or officer is the KEY.

Edited April 26, 2019 by edwardflory
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[rabas]

34 minutes ago, Mike Teavee said:

I travel in & out every 2 weeks or so & have never done a TM30 but I'm led to believe that I can ask my Condo Management to file it for me (as Hotels do).

 

Would they understand me if I asked them to "File a TM30" for me or is there another name for it (Registration of Alien?!?) that they're more likely to recognize + should I expect to get some evidence in the form of a printout or something?

 

 

Thx

 

 

MTV

Most condos will have already filed for foreigners, my condo has very few foreigners but maintains a file labeled TM-30. The forms in it also say TM-30. So I would ask about TM-30. I only remember being asked for photocopies of my passport. If they say they don't know politely tell them they are required to file.

[milwaukeeboy]

This form (tm 30) is a logistics nightmare and very troublesome to Thais and foreigners who own a few condos that they rent to foreigners long and short term. It is virtually impossible to monitor and report within 24 hours the arrivals of foreign renters.  The only way to report it and avoid being fined if you don't have a tax stamp is to go down to immigration within 24 hours of the renter entering the country. In this case, it is better to not even try to report using the tm 30, but just reimburse the renter if they accrue a fine.

[Henricus]

When you have a Landlord, you pay rent, next payment take of the fine plus your trouble  easy

[RotBenz8888]

1 hour ago, Pravda said:

 

I think I'm starting to understand peoeple who want to move to Cambodia, Philippines.....

 

I mean even if I got Thai Elite Visa what kind of benefit would that give me? Perhaps with failure to report myself the Elite Visa could be revoked.

It's the Thaiway or the Highway...to Cambodia or Phil...

[legend49]

6 hours ago, userabcd said:

Perhaps immigration should post big signs in airports and border crossings warning all travellers, tourists and resident aliens that they are responsible for ensuring their location is accurately reported within 24hrs to an immigration office at all times after travelling to a new location or the aliens risk being responsible for a fine.

They need the fines to replace the " no tips" signs at airport immigration counters.????

[stanleycoin]

6 hours ago, userabcd said:

Perhaps immigration should post big signs in airports and border crossings warning all travellers, tourists and resident aliens that they are responsible for ensuring their location is accurately reported within 24hrs to an immigration office at all times after travelling to a new location or the aliens risk being responsible for a fine.

Yes, and write

Welcome to Thailand have a nice day Foreigner,  at the bottom,

[CMBob]

2 hours ago, R123 said:

I know this has been asked many times before but:

 

If living in Thailand on a retirement visa with re-entry permit (CW office) then I take a trip outside Thailand...on return to Thailand , do I need to go to Immigration to file a TM 30 within 24 hours?

Even though address etc not changed? 

Probably depends on where you live.  In Chiangmai, the answer is "yes."  When I say that, one must (when re-entering the country and returning to your TM30 registered address)   update the TM30.  If your condo office or landlord does that for you, ask for a copy of something so you can later prove it was done.  In Chiangmai, they haven't been strict about the 24-hour rule and people have updated within 4-5 days without a problem.  I update myself (given my landlord doesn't have clue if I've hopped out of the country) and here in Chiangmai it's an easy process usually taking 5 minutes or so (they just stamp a new date on the TM30 Receipt of Notification hopefully stapled in the back of your passport). Typical fine up here for messing up the TM30 process is 1,600 baht (why it's double the 800 baht mentioned in this thread is beyond me).

Here in Chiangmai, they have no use for a TM28 and typically hand it back to whoever attempts to file one. 

[VBF]

6 hours ago, Pravda said:

 

Well, most tourists stay in hotels, so it is a non issue for them.

 

I would imagine, however, that such sign would greatly disrupt tourist arrivals.

I agree with your choice of "most" BUT, even on a SETV, if you stay in Thailand for more than 60 days, and visit Immigration for an extension, the TM30 should have been filed by wherever you are staying.

When I did this in Jomtien, the owner of the hotel I was staying in gave me a printout showing my details that he had entered on the Immigration website. The IO looked at it and put the blank TM30 that he was about to give me, away.

I've done this successfully 3 times over the last 3 years.

 

I realise that Jomtien is probably different from CW but I merely mention it "FYI"

[BritManToo]

7 minutes ago, CMBob said:

ypical fine up here for messing up the TM30 process is 1,600 baht (why it's double the 800 baht mentioned in this thread is beyond me).

Here in Chiangmai, they have no use for a TM28 and typically hand it back to whoever attempts to file one. 

It's because Chiang Mai immigration is twice as corrupt as everywhere else.