What's going on with Manual cars??

[transam]

1 minute ago, fredob43 said:

Could well be your reference to new sewing machines being automatic.

Sewing machines are still powered by either a foot treadle or a foot peddle to power an electric motor. Please correct me if I'm wrong but they don't do an auto one. 

A manual sewing machine requires a hand to get it going and two feet to keep it going (treadle)....An auto sewing machine requires just one foot to control stuff....????

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, transam said:

I note a member showed "confused" regarding this post. I would like to know what you think is confusing....????

I'm confused by the term "manual auto trans", because it appears to be an oxymoron.

[transam]

Just now, Lacessit said:

I'm confused by the term "manual auto trans", because it appears to be an oxymoron.

Well let me explain....Drag racers (or street guys like me) for little money can convert an auto to be a manual shift only and handle 1000hp (TH400). It does away with all that slush stuff.

My own box had a reverse pattern valve body, which means the PND21 is replaced with PN123 setup using a stick that you just nudged to shift gear..When the converter is at stall or above when shifting the trans will want to plant you in the back seat, when below stall, with the right converter, the converter uses it's "slip" to make life comfy on the street.....

 

 

[CGW]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

My own box

I'm confused now 

[CGW]

I wonder how many Thai drivers are aware that you should engage a low gear when descending long downhill sections? bet the Vast majority have no idea how to use a Auto box in "manual" mode.

[VBF]

22 hours ago, mike324 said:

majority of the folks who buy sedans don't want to drive manuals, thats just how it is. Its fun to drive, but majority of the folks aren't car enthusiasts. They just want to get from point a to b without the hassle of shifting. On top of that, autos are more fuel efficient compare to manuals nowadays.

 

Its not just in Thailand, in the US some models are not offered in manual anymore as well.

 

 

That's not that new though is it?

 

I'm a Brit and back in the mid eighties, my company rented me a car when I went to Huntsville, Alabama on business.

When I collected the car, the lady at the desk asked me "Can you drive a stick shift" (manual)

Having seen that the only vehicles available were a Ford Escort or a Lincoln Town Car, i quickly replied "No"

She didn't seem a bit surprised at my answer and I had the pleasure of the Lincoln for a few days! ???? 

My point is that, even back then, in the US it would appear that most people were "automatic-only" drivers, whereas even now, in UK, most of us pass our tests on manuals. (See #24, above)

 

This is not to be seen as critical, merely pointing out that it's not unique to Thailand.

 

And, mentioning just for fun, my late Father learned to drive on cars with "crash" boxes (no synchromesh). He could therefore double de-clutch: a skill which he passed on to me and which was useful when I had partial clutch failure once.

Edited May 14, 2019 by VBF

[fredob43]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Well let me explain....Drag racers (or street guys like me) for little money can convert an auto to be a manual shift only and handle 1000hp (TH400). It does away with all that slush stuff.

My own box had a reverse pattern valve body, which means the PND21 is replaced with PN123 setup using a stick that you just nudged to shift gear..When the converter is at stall or above when shifting the trans will want to plant you in the back seat, when below stall, with the right converter, the converter uses it's "slip" to make life comfy on the street.....

 

 

Sounds to me a bit like Tip Tronic that they have now on most auto G/Boxes. For those that don't know, you slide the stick to one side and it'll allow you to change gear up or down with a short click on the stick. Load of rubbish if you ask me but it's there if you want to change gear yourself.

Edited May 14, 2019 by fredob43

[swissbie]

4 hours ago, transam said:

In the UK you can take a driving test in a manual or an auto, but, if you pass in an auto you cannot drive a manual, if you pass in a manual you can drive an auto...

It was the same in Switzerland, but they changed it this year, it doesn't matter anymore (driving instructors didn't like it..).

[VBF]

5 minutes ago, swissbie said:

It was the same in Switzerland, but they changed it this year, it doesn't matter anymore (driving instructors didn't like it..).

I agree with the instructors - changing gear in na manual is a skill on its own so passing a test on an auto and then being able to drive a manual is ridiculous!

I take it that's what you meant?

[natway09]

Would never consider having a manual in Bangkok traffic. My left knee just about rooted now.

I do enjoy the paddle shift though 

[JAS21]

My first 'auto' was a Triumph Stag ... been hooked on auto's ever since ... but must admit had an Escort RS Turbo and a cossie between auto's ...and MrsJ's UK license is only for an auto ...she has no desire to ever drive a manual again...

Edited May 14, 2019 by JAS21

[myjawe]

Maybe because they are so useless ?! I like to drive, but never enjoyed it as much as with a good sport automatic gear box !

 

 

[transam]

11 hours ago, myjawe said:

Maybe because they are so useless ?! I like to drive, but never enjoyed it as much as with a good sport automatic gear box !

 

 

What are useless....?

[steve73]

Autos are fine for long boring journeys on motorways, or stuck in traffic in cities.

But on the open road, if you actually want to enjoy the driving experience and there are a few slower moving vehicles around they are a complete waste of space.

 

10+ years ago I wanted to rent a cheap 2-door M/T pick-up for 2 weeks for a driving holiday from BKK down south, but the rental Co. had none available (even though I'd booked and paid for it on-line).  They suggested I upgrade to a 3l 4-door A/T which thy offered at a discount to the normal price (but still about 2x my original booking).  After I insisted they get me a 2-dr M/T, as per their contractual commitment, they eventually gave me the 4-dr Auto at a discount to my original booking (since it would be heavier on fuel usage)..... But I hated it....

 

On the twisty roads it would be cruising lazily in "top-gear" while waiting to overtake, then as soon as a gap appeared and I accelerated;  it would think about it for a while (as if to say "really..??") before eventually dropping a gear, and then start to accelerate, by which time we were on to the next bend, and the overtake had to be aborted. 

(Perhaps this is why so many drivers here appear to overtake on blind corners..??) 

 

Give me a manual transmission any-day.

PS. My current car is a A/T Fiesta S... but it's a nippy little thing... 555     

[transam]

2 minutes ago, steve73 said:

Autos are fine for long boring journeys on motorways, or stuck in traffic in cities.

But on the open road, if you actually want to enjoy the driving experience and there are a few slower moving vehicles around they are a complete waste of space.

 

10+ years ago I wanted to rent a cheap 2-door M/T pick-up for 2 weeks for a driving holiday from BKK down south, but the rental Co. had none available (even though I'd booked and paid for it on-line).  They suggested I upgrade to a 3l 4-door A/T which thy offered at a discount to the normal price (but still about 2x my original booking).  After I insisted they get me a 2-dr M/T, as per their contractual commitment, they eventually gave me the 4-dr Auto at a discount to my original booking (since it would be heavier on fuel usage)..... But I hated it....

 

On the twisty roads it would be cruising lazily in "top-gear" while waiting to overtake, then as soon as a gap appeared and I accelerated;  it would think about it for a while (as if to say "really..??") before eventually dropping a gear, and then start to accelerate, by which time we were on to the next bend, and the overtake had to be aborted. 

(Perhaps this is why so many drivers here appear to overtake on blind corners..??) 

 

Give me a manual transmission any-day.

PS. My current car is a A/T Fiesta S... but it's a nippy little thing... 555     

An auto does have a gear selection that you can manually shift...

[fredob43]

49 minutes ago, transam said:

An auto does have a gear selection that you can manually shift...

Not all do. I have driven lots of auto lumps here and some of the cheaper models don't have that option.

[ParadiseLost]

Left hand is for the phone, silly.

[monkeycu]

On 5/11/2019 at 12:58 PM, worgeordie said:

Having 3 pedals is just too confusing for most drivers here,

maybe that's why manufacturers are only going with automatics.

regards worgeordie

Maybe no motor and just 2 pedals would be safer for some

[transam]

14 minutes ago, fredob43 said:

Not all do. I have driven lots of auto lumps here and some of the cheaper models don't have that option.

Really, what rides were they.....?

[monkeycu]

18 minutes ago, fredob43 said:

Not all do. I have driven lots of auto lumps here and some of the cheaper models don't have that option.

Yes they do 

L for lights

D for drag racing and

P for passing  ????

[fredob43]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Really, what rides were they.....?

My last tuna that's just one. You could change from 4th ''top'' to 3rd with a right movement of stick but that was about it. New one has Tip Tronic. Never used it a complete waste of time.

 

6 minutes ago, transam said:

Really, what rides were they.....?

 

[transam]

33 minutes ago, fredob43 said:

My last tuna that's just one. You could change from 4th ''top'' to 3rd with a right movement of stick but that was about it. New one has Tip Tronic. Never used it a complete waste of time.

 

 

How strange.....My near 12 year old auto Vigo had a shift from 4th to third to second to first........How strange your Fortuner, which had the same drive train, didn't have that.....Didn't your Toyota dealer tell you it had that function ...?  ????

 

My first auto was a 1966 ride, column shift, it had low gear selection, yet your Fortuner didn't....Well I am flabbered and gasted...You may have bought a bitsa...????

 

Now please tell me what cheap auto trans cars you have driven did not have a low gear selection....You could be right and I learn something...

Edited May 15, 2019 by transam

[fredob43]

1 hour ago, transam said:

How strange.....My near 12 year old auto Vigo had a shift from 4th to third to second to first........How strange your Fortuner, which had the same drive train, didn't have that.....Didn't your Toyota dealer tell you it had that function ...?  ????

 

My first auto was a 1966 ride, column shift, it had low gear selection, yet your Fortuner didn't....Well I am flabbered and gasted...You may have bought a bitsa...????

 

Now please tell me what cheap auto trans cars you have driven did not have a low gear selection....You could be right and I learn something...

I cant remember all the lumps I have driven over the years. But I do remember one a friends Honda drove that some 18 months ago, sorry don't know model. Only drove it to check his rear wheel bearings that were buggered. I know that was an auto as his wife drives it. That didn't have Tip Tronic or anything like it. Suggest you go to you local dealers and see what they have in their cheap range to see if they all have a means of changing down or up on and auto. You might surprise yourself.

[transam]

12 minutes ago, fredob43 said:

I cant remember all the lumps I have driven over the years. But I do remember one a friends Honda drove that some 18 months ago, sorry don't know model. Only drove it to check his rear wheel bearings that were buggered. I know that was an auto as his wife drives it. That didn't have Tip Tronic or anything like it. Suggest you go to you local dealers and see what they have in their cheap range to see if they all have a means of changing down or up on and auto. You might surprise yourself.

What auto rides have you driven without a low gear shift...Easy question...

[fredob43]

20 minutes ago, transam said:

What auto rides have you driven without a low gear shift...Easy question...

 

20 minutes ago, transam said:

What auto rides have you driven without a low gear shift...Easy question...

Unlike you I'm not interested in Cars. I do have a life. A car is a car as far as I'm concerned, a means to get you from one place to another. If it goes that's good enough. Never look at anything other than if there is a new Toyo Tuna out. Over the years as I have STATED have driven dozens of auto lumps as well as Manual here. Lot's I have hired some have been friends ones, or one's they have hired. I have driven all the latest MPV as have a friend that hires them every time he comes back. They all seem to have Tip Tronic or the likes. But he does hire the top of the range ones.

 

I have told you I cant remember all I have driven but their are some that do not have what you stated. Suggest you look it up or go to a local dealers and see what they have on offer. Then maybe you'll stop asking the same question over and over several time a day.

Edited May 15, 2019 by fredob43

[cornishcarlos]

37 minutes ago, fredob43 said:

I cant remember all the lumps I have driven over the years.

 

Why do you insist on calling them "lumps" !!! 

[transam]

Just now, fredob43 said:

 

Unlike you I'm not interested in Cars. I do have a life. A car is a car as far as I'm concerned, a means to get you from one place to another. If it goes that's good enough. Never look at anything other than if there is a new Toyo Tuna out. Over the years as I have STATED have driven dozens of auto lumps as well as Manual here. Lot's I have hired some have been friends ones, or one's they have hired. I have driven all the latest MPV as have a friend that hires them every time he comes back. They all seem to have Tip Tronic or the likes. 

 

I have told you I cant remember all I have driven but their are some that do not have what you stated. Suggest you look it up or go to a local dealers and see what they have on offer. Then maybe you'll stop asking the same question over and over several time a day.

What are you doing on the motoring forum then....?

 

In the UK, if you are approaching a steep gradient a sign on the left will say.."Select low gear".....Are you telling me auto's from any period did not have a "Select low gear" function...?

 

You post a lot of "confused" emijons......I agree with you, you are confused with most motoring stuff...

[fredob43]

Just now, cornishcarlos said:

 

Why do you insist on calling them "lumps" !!! 

It's just a way of expression. I have always called my lump either that or as My friends refer to it the tank.

[fredob43]

18 minutes ago, transam said:

What are you doing on the motoring forum then....?

 

In the UK, if you are approaching a steep gradient a sign on the left will say.."Select low gear".....Are you telling me auto's from any period did not have a "Select low gear" function...?

 

You post a lot of "confused" emijons......I agree with you, you are confused with most motoring stuff...

Would have been difficult to engage low gear in my last Tuna as it never slowed when it was in drive regardless of what gear you were in.

It just free wheeled when you took your foot of the loud pedal.

New one is different as it will slow in drive. But not by a lot.

Oh just thought I would mention we are not in the UK.

 

By the way if you are using the new Tuna on hills it will tell you to engage sports mode. I think it's because it puts the box in lower set up less pressure on box. I have tried it and it doesn't seem to make any difference. But I still do it.

Edited May 15, 2019 by fredob43

[transam]

1 minute ago, fredob43 said:

Would have been difficult to engage low gear in my last Tuna as it never slowed when it was in drive regardless of what gear you were in.

It just free wheeled when you took your foot of the loud pedal.

New one is different as it will slow in drive.

Oh just thought I would mention we are not in the UK.

 

By the way if you are using the new Tuna on hills it will tell you to engage sports mode. I think it's because it puts the box in lower set up less pressure on box. I have tried it and it doesn't seem to make any difference. But I still do it.

You stated you have driven cheap cars with no low gear select...Now I do not know of one...You tell me the ones you drove with no low gear select...

 

If you do not have a clue how to drive your auto ride then say so...