1 hour ago, madmen said:

Great news ! Unbelievable the arrogance and carelessness of smokers who think its OK for toddlers to suck up second hand smoke

Actually, there are so many toddlers that got away unharmed. I am quite certain the air quality outside is a much bigger worry. Typical case of missing the point. Of course this law is practically unenforceable, but I guess it brings in those sad people that are against smoking, these people are easily fooled or so it seems.

2 hours ago, meand said:

The reason you think it is nonsense is cigarettes came out at a time when we did not understand them as well. The laws regarding them were then made accordingly. 

 

Now, we do understand them. For example, we understand that babies, who can be affected to a much greater extent than grown individuals, should not be exposed to this smoke. NO AMOUNT is safe (https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/secondhand-smoke-consumer.pdf). 

 

We do understand the effects much better now, and the laws are changing. I believe smokers should feel lucky they got to "get away" with what they did for decades. It was not long ago a smoker could light up three feet from me in a restaurant! Unheard of now. And in another ten years it will be unheard of to light up in public parks etc. And rightfully so. The next step, and Thailand seems to be right on this and I applaud them, is homes. If you cannot control your own smoke, or pay for an apparatus that does, why should you be allowed to smoke and affect the health of others? Detached homes I feel smokers have a good argument for smoking inside, but things like condos should be 100% off limits fir smoking. 

What about banning loud music too? - the sort that is blasted out before breakfast by the Buddhist temples?  Or the rib trembling bass thump coming from the speakers at rock concerts, or even some bars, clubs, and discos?

 

Why not stop people drinking too? The cost of treating alcohol related diseases must be enormous

 

Why not stop people eating types of food that are not good for them? (McDonalds, french fries etc) Obesity related health issues are becoming a world wide problem.

 

Why not just stop people having/doing anything they enjoy, and be done with it - let them know who knows what's best for them!!!

 

 

Next - the banning of alcohol which also causes vast amounts of monetary damage and loss of life, in the case of drunk driving that includes the innocent people who get wiped out by the drunks or beaten to death. Or does the argument then suddenly become unimportant?

28 minutes ago, sambum said:

hardest to give  up - "the fag and a pint"

I do hope that means a cigarette. 

No matter whether you smoke or not this is totally absurd 

1 hour ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

I do hope that means a cigarette. 

There's always one!????

 

I also remember when "gay" meant "happy"!

 

8 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Well I wouldn't get too excited considering prostitution,  corruption and coups are against the law as well

Excellent response!

8 hours ago, phantomfiddler said:

A feeling of fear pervades the country, fast becoming a police state, unless of course one is related to police, in which case one can do as one pleases, even murder ????

Too late! The feeling of fear has pervaded this country for a very loooong time. THAT fear has now become even much, much

more pervasive.

The anti smoking terrorists may think that they have won a battle, even though the results will not affect them one iota.

However, there are no winners outside of the old boys club in this new law.

Yes we know that it's a toothless law that will never be used but little by little our freedom and liberties are being chipped away.

 

Why should we worry about laws that we don't believe will ever be used?

Well until recently an unenforced law that was introduced in its infancy in 1979 suddenly became enforced causing confusion and problems among the expat population.

Yes I am talking about the TM30 situation.

 

Little by little our civil liberties are being stripped away, just in small enough bites so as to go unnoticed but big enough to give the powers that be 'total control'.

 

In fact, I have had enough of this malarky, I'm marching on Government house at first light tomorrow,

Anyone care to join me, we will meet at the entrance to Nana BTS (on the Nana side of the tracks) tomorrow at 11am.

Dress of the day – combat trousers, 'Occupy' T-shits & tin foil hats.

 

Surely they have to maintain and extend the bans in public spaces before invading the homes, i.e. bars, clubs, restaurants etc.

On 6/21/2019 at 2:22 PM, webfact said:

 

The new laws, which were published in the Royal Gazette on 22nd May, aim to reduce the impact of second hand smoke on family members, particularly children.

 

People who smoke at home face being charged with domestic abuse if found guilty that them smoking has damaged the health of family members living at the same address.

This is a trick by the government/corporations to get people to buy up all the unsold condo's. 

No law against smoking in a condo if you do not have children or a wife (most condos not large enough for either anyway). 

 

If you have no "family members"  living with you can keep smoking. 

So don't get married! (some already know this)

If you are married, tell your wife you must divorce her so you can continue smoking at home.

 

Come to Thailand, stay single, do not marry or have children, and you can smoke at home! 

Very hip millennial way to live

On 6/21/2019 at 2:51 PM, Eligius said:

This hypocritical incursion of government interference into EVERY aspect of people's lives is getting ridiculous.

I am a life-long non-smoker. I hate the smell of cigarette smoke. But to start bossing people around in the privacy of their own homes is - well, there is a banned word for it, and it begins with the letter 'd' !

 

The Fabian Society is nearing it's goal of world wide communism...Commonly known as the nanny state at first then the laws/regulations become stronger and stronger...They have ruined the education systems all over the world...

Off topic trolling posts and replies have been removed. 

Are they going to police the doggy style next? This is too much. 

How about being smoked from head to toe on the streets of Bangkok? 

Another of these stupid laws, 90 days report, TM30, 49% ownership, work permit and now this smoking law. How will they inform Thai people.

My girlfriends mother (nonsmoking) living some 100km east Bangkok, never ever even heard of TM30. First of all, she can not read and understand! But If told, how can she fullfill this silly, ridiculus, insane law, when we visit her. This happened last mothers day and we where really scared stying there for 2 nights. I hardly could not sleep ????

Same problem with this crazy smoking law. One million police officers checking around, enough?

Just talking to my girlfriend about it, she have not heard anything about this insane new law! 

 

Besides, I am totally a nonsmoking guy!

 

PS. very interesting to see all the heavy smoking Chinese take on this.

They can´t smoke or rent out their brand new purchased condo in Bangkok, Pattaya or Phuket. 

 

 

This is useful when the leadership wants to come into your home and arrest you but you haven't done anything wrong. A very useful tool to further suppress anyone that steps outside the lines of submission. Will the Thais push back? 

No way of enforcing this impractical piece of legislation. Better just to increase the price of tobacco, and ban all imported tobacco so it is tightly controlled in the same manner as a high-level drug (which it is of course).

On 6/21/2019 at 12:48 AM, jvs said:

Why don't they enforce the anti smoking laws that are already in place but not enforced?More idle talk from a government that doesn't enforce most laws.

yeah,  I remember a little over a decade ago, they banned smoking in bars and even go gos.  For about one year it was nice to sit in some joints in Pattaya and not be in a smoker house

3 hours ago, Call said:

the heavy smoking Chinese take on this.

They can´t smoke or rent out their brand new purchased condo in Bangkok, Pattaya or Phuket. 

Sure they can - as long as it is not harming family members or children -

that is what the law states - no worries

What's next, no farting in your own home?

On 6/21/2019 at 2:35 PM, kevvy said:

They didnt say they were only  targeting  forang

https://www.thephuketnews.com/smoking-at-home-to-be-banned-71872.php#3UY1lh5se2gWqsJa.97

 

Quote

The announcement comes as anti-tobacco campaigners step up efforts to make the home environment free of cigarette and electronic cigarette smoke.

 

Even better, electronic cigarette smoke ???? It's already forbidden experts, even tho it's quite harmless anyway ...

On 6/21/2019 at 2:58 PM, Regyai said:

Real courts of Law & Real Law practitioners

would piss themselves laughing at pursuing a conviction on such nebulous cause & effect assumptions

 

 

But hey don't let that stand in the way of a headlining Thai knee-jerk proclamation

Maybe your point about real courts of law is the bulls eye. Thai law is so vague in practicality but can be twisted to be whatever they want it to be. Since the legal process is infested with corruption, these laws just give a few more ways to pummel someone they don’t like and foreigners and political enemies are prime targets.

 

if they are so concerned just ban the sale of cigarettes altogether and pretty much the problem is solved aside from a few die hardscwho farm their own leaves.

9 hours ago, Call said:

My girlfriends mother (nonsmoking) living some 100km east Bangkok, never ever even heard of TM30. First of all, she can not read and understand! But If told, how can she fullfill this silly, ridiculus, insane law, when we visit her. This happened last mothers day and we where really scared stying there for 2 nights. I hardly could not sleep

Agree, both laws are fine examples of the law being an ass. This one is just virtue signalling by the anti-smoking lobby, though in theory wised up youngsters with an axe to grind could start threatening to report their parents, in the spirit of 1960's China.

 

Regarding TM30s on family trips, don't bother. Mum in law doesn't file, you don't file, no one knows you ever left town. Not worth losing sleep over, until the ankle bracelets become compulsory. 

13 hours ago, sambum said:

14 hours ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

I do hope that means a cigarette. 

There's always one!????

 

I also remember when "gay" meant "happy"!

I was introduced to reading with Enid Blyton's Famous Five.

"Oh come on Dick, show us some spunk" was typical of the dialogue... 

Law inaplicable but it makes chatting in the cottages; already 15 pages 

Nothing to do with the government. The government doesn't enforce laws. The police do - or in Thailand's case, don't. What the government should do is replace the pretend police force with another group, trained from the military. Then there might be some, a little, law and order in Thailand. Ever since the latest coup they already have to go out with the pretend police on many occasions, to assist the incompetents and to oversee that they operate properly.

As to this latest law, which I'm sure will never used, it's just more of the usual hot air from politicians trying to pretend they are useful for something, anything.

The army is in control right now , not the police !


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Being a non-smoker, for me it is GREAT NEWS. I bet there will be many nicotine addicts and boozers sat on their favorite bar stools today moaning like hell without any consideration for others. 

You sound like a right party pooper !


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