Republican support for Trump rises after racially charged tweets - Reuters/Ipsos poll

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, 300sd said:

Never thought I was a racist.....but this creature makes my skin crawl.

 

I don't understand your comment. Why would watching that make you feel racist?

[Nigel Garvie]

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

 

Yes. TDS is real. Trump deceives his supporters, daily. 

I'm not a US citizen, I am fortunate to live in a country where the overwhelming majority are civilized, and not consumed by racial hatred. However this TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome, I believe) thing is puzzling. It is blindingly obvious to anyone capable of rational thought that Trump is deranged, but I didn't realize that they had named a syndrome after him.

 

So I did some research and checked out the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-V). I couldn't find TDS (The manual was completed some time ago), but on checking his symptoms I came up with this very close match

"Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is one of several personality disorders and is defined as a mental illness that is associated with a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration and lack of empathy.

NPD makes life challenging because someone living with the disorder is continuously on the defensive." etc

 

My best guess is that TDS is now recognized as a form of extreme NPD, which we will be able to read about when the updated DSM (DSM-VI) is published. No doubt there will be a detailed analysis of Donald Trump's behavior to illustrate how the syndrome is defined. 

 

 

 

[Cryingdick]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Don't need a governor of any party to know it was racist. It's right there out in the open for anyone to see. Enough with the gaslighting. The tweet was racist. FACT.

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So typical of the liberal mentality. Take something subjective and declare it as fact. This is the reason Trump gains popularity over things like the latest tweet. A good deal of people don't want people like you speaking for everybody and declaring their opinion as the final say. This way of dictating the narrative to people is what will cost the dems the election. 

 

The dems have devalued their currency which is racism and race baiting and people aren't buying what is trying to be rammed down their throats. Fact.

[bristolboy]

11 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

The dems have devalued their currency which is racism and race baiting and people aren't buying what is trying to be rammed down their throats. Fact.

I tried googling that fact but couldn't find it anywhere. Is it one of those because-you-say-so-facts?

[candide]

3 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

So typical of the liberal mentality. Take something subjective and declare it as fact. This is the reason Trump gains popularity over things like the latest tweet. A good deal of people don't want people like you speaking for everybody and declaring their opinion as the final say. This way of dictating the narrative to people is what will cost the dems the election. 

 

The dems have devalued their currency which is racism and race baiting and people aren't buying what is trying to be rammed down their throats. Fact.

According to the OP, Trump did not gain popularity.

"Trump's overall approval remained unchanged over the past week. According to the poll, 41% of the U.S. public said they approved of his performance in office, while 55% disapproved."

 

Trump gained popularity among people who would vote for him in any case, and lost popularity among independents.

[300sd]

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I don't understand your comment. Why would watching that make you feel racist?

It doesn't. But I still can't stand that thing. 

[TPI]

On 7/17/2019 at 7:50 AM, bristolboy said:

Stop lying about what Trump said. He didn't say "If some people hate the USA so much they can leave and find a more suitable home elsewhere."

 "The president wrote: "So interesting to see 'progressive' Democrat congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful nation on earth, how our government is to be run."

"Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done."

He didn't tell them just to go elsewhere. He told them to go back where they originally came from. 3 out of the 4 were born in the USA.  They are native born Americans. So his comment only makes sense if bigotry was behind it.

If the "squad" identifies themselves with their parents home country or if they identify themselves with another country and declare that they hate and belittle the country they were born in, why is it "bigotry" to call them to either fix their "pseudo birth" country or to fix it and return to their birth country with the cure for what ails it? Where is the bigotry in that? Where is the comparison with somewhere/someone else?

 

Here DT is merely giving his opinion, why should the Squad care about an entity that they hold in contempt?

 

Very strange!

[paddypower]

16 hours ago, riclag said:

You got a better choice to save Americans from the far left taking control

Half of the world's prison population of about nine million is held in the US, China or Russia.                    let's see. 2nd 3rd and 4th are $hithole countries. I say a prayer of thanks every day, that  I do not live in the US. 

Country	Prison population	Population per 100,000
US	2,193,798	737
CHINA	1,548,498	118
RUSSIA	874,161	615
BRAZIL	371,482	193

[paddypower]

17 hours ago, riclag said:

Are you quoting someone because the script was all in highlight.

I do not mind the italics. The core beliefs that he expresses are made in heaven. US is on its way to hell. Even my American friends say the US empire is collapsing. The strength of the new country that became the US of A (not the misnomer 'America' which refers to the whole continent, North and South) came from welcoming foreigners to its shores. 

[Cryingdick]

4 minutes ago, paddypower said:

I do not mind the italics. The core beliefs that he expresses are made in heaven. US is on its way to hell. Even my American friends say the US empire is collapsing. The strength of the new country that became the US of A (not the misnomer 'America' which refers to the whole continent, North and South) came from welcoming foreigners to its shores. 

 

No Americans living in the USA describe the country as an empire. I am also glad you don't live in the USA as you said in a previous post and can only imagine the imperials you hang out with.

[paddypower]

Just now, paddypower said:

I do not mind the italics. The core beliefs that he expresses are made in heaven. US is on its way to hell. Even my American friends say the US empire is collapsing. The strength of the new country that became the US of A (not the misnomer 'America' which refers to the whole continent, North and South) came from welcoming foreigners to its shores. 

The Statue of Liberty:  “Give me your tired, your poor,/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,/The wretched refuse of your teeming shore./Send these, the homeless, storm-tossed, to me''. Trump's grandfather (thown out of Germany in disgrace for refusing military service), was a refugee; no different that one of those huddled masses from $hit hole countries that Trump and his followers appear hate so much. 

[paddypower]

30 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

No Americans living in the USA describe the country as an empire. I am also glad you don't live in the USA as you said in a previous post and can only imagine the imperials you hang out with.

Trump implies so, when (a) he refers to other countries as $hithole countries and (b) for years and years, he continues to say that he will make it great again. Every time he says that, he is is criticising how it is.  Of course the empire is failing, because it is lead by the only person to ever own a casino which went bankrupt. Jesus wept. 

[Nigel Garvie]

32 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

No Americans living in the USA describe the country as an empire. I am also glad you don't live in the USA as you said in a previous post and can only imagine the imperials you hang out with.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity for a great laugh. I know "Americans" are totally desperate not be thought of as Imperialists, given their history, however the truth is hard to hide. 

"Despite recently closing hundreds of bases in Iraq and Afghanistan, the United States still maintains nearly 800 military bases in more than 70 countries and territories abroad, Britain, France and Russia, by contrast, have about 30 foreign bases combined. Maintaining bases and troops overseas cost $85 to $100 billion in fiscal year 2014; the total with bases and troops in warzones is $160 to $200 billion."

 

 No empire......????????????

[Hanuman2547]

It appears that Trump is nothing more than a white nationalist and is clearly racist.  He's just testing the waters to see how well it is received.  Since his base and even moderate Republicans didn't disown him, it gives him more reason to push his agenda.  He will now move on to even more outrageous statements and actions in the name of MAGA.  

[BobBKK]

I think Trumps comments ill-advised but also The Squad will help get him re-elected (70/30 chance I'd say). I don't think he's racist just sloppy with words.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

 

No Americans living in the USA describe the country as an empire.

You just can't stop making things up.

Noam Chomsky: America is an empire in decline

https://www.salon.com/2016/05/10/noam_chomksy_america_is_a_state_in_decline_partner/

 

[Nigel Garvie]

9 hours ago, candide said:

According to the OP, Trump did not gain popularity.

"Trump's overall approval remained unchanged over the past week. According to the poll, 41% of the U.S. public said they approved of his performance in office, while 55% disapproved."

 

Trump gained popularity among people who would vote for him in any case, and lost popularity among independents.

There is a problem in the future for the Dems, and in the UK for the Labour Party. Despite competing in both cases against abhorrent leaders of the GOP & Tories, they are almost certain, going on past performance to shoot themselves in the feet. I agree that Trump's unpopularity is well established, and almost everybody outside his rabid base finds him utterly obnoxious, but you still have to put up a candidate who can beat him, and many of those in the running look very unpromising. Corbyn is also a liability for the Labour party. 

 

The problem on the left is obsessive ideological navel gazing, it is almost as if it doesn't matter whether you win as long as your policies are pure.

The right - however vile their candidate is - never make that mistake, power is the only goal. As much as I disliked Blair, he actually won elections. 

 

I do believe that the majority of the US and UK population are basically good people who will not let neo fascism triumph again, however I though that before Trump and Brexit.

[paddypower]

quote: 'I think Trumps comments ill-advised but also The Squad will help get him re-elected (70/30 chance I'd say). I don't think he's racist just sloppy with words'.

 

I concur. To be honest, I do not think the general population is racist. But there is a genuine fear that the whites will be swamped by what some call 'people of the wrong colour'. ???? Although I m no fan, Biden is the only hope for the Dems. Especially if he could hint at selecting a young, running mate early (Harris being the least threatening one, imo). Nobody ever talks about who might run against Trump in the primaries. Some of his most important monied backers are fleeing, so I read. eg the Mercers. 

[lannarebirth]

5 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

There is a problem in the future for the Dems, and in the UK for the Labour Party. Despite competing in both cases against abhorrent leaders of the GOP & Tories, they are almost certain, going on past performance to shoot themselves in the feet. I agree that Trump's unpopularity is well established, and almost everybody outside his rabid base finds him utterly obnoxious, but you still have to put up a candidate who can beat him, and many of those in the running look very unpromising. Corbyn is also a liability for the Labour party. 

 

The problem on the left is obsessive ideological navel gazing, it is almost as if it doesn't matter whether you win as long as your policies are pure.

The right - however vile their candidate is - never make that mistake, power is the only goal. As much as I disliked Blair, he actually won elections. 

 

I do believe that the majority of the US and UK population are basically good people who will not let neo fascism triumph again, however I though that before Trump and Brexit.

 

Aging populations tend to be more conservative and are easy to co opt by fascist operators. Luckily the so called "Silent Generation" is about gone and I predict when half of the Boomers have shuffled off this mortal coil things will turn around in astounding fashion.

[candide]

1 hour ago, TPI said:

If the "squad" identifies themselves with their parents home country or if they identify themselves with another country and declare that they hate and belittle the country they were born in, why is it "bigotry" to call them to either fix their "pseudo birth" country or to fix it and return to their birth country with the cure for what ails it? Where is the bigotry in that? Where is the comparison with somewhere/someone else?

 

Here DT is merely giving his opinion, why should the Squad care about an entity that they hold in contempt?

 

Very strange!

Nice try! But, it is not true that "the "squad" identifies themselves with their parents home country or if they identify themselves with another country and declare that they hate and belittle the country they were born in,"

Or do you mean that criticizing policies by Trump or other GOP administrations equates hating one's country? So the people who criticized Obama's policies were hating their country too?

[Jingthing]

It doesn't. But I still can't stand that thing. 

What thing? The desk?

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[Jingthing]

If the "squad" identifies themselves with their parents home country or if they identify themselves with another country and declare that they hate and belittle the country they were born in, why is it "bigotry" to call them to either fix their "pseudo birth" country or to fix it and return to their birth country with the cure for what ails it? Where is the bigotry in that? Where is the comparison with somewhere/someone else?
 
Here DT is merely giving his opinion, why should the Squad care about an entity that they hold in contempt?
 
Very strange!

That spin don't wash.

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[johnnybangkok]

2 hours ago, TPI said:

If the "squad" identifies themselves with their parents home country or if they identify themselves with another country and declare that they hate and belittle the country they were born in, why is it "bigotry" to call them to either fix their "pseudo birth" country or to fix it and return to their birth country with the cure for what ails it? Where is the bigotry in that? Where is the comparison with somewhere/someone else?

 

Here DT is merely giving his opinion, why should the Squad care about an entity that they hold in contempt?

 

Very strange!

Please provide verifiable links to when any of these 4 ladies have:-

1. Identifies themselves with their parents home country more than the USA.

2. Identified themselves with another country.

3. Declared they hate and belittle the USA (where 3 of them were born).

 

All they have done in their legitimate role as congresswomen is to highlight the many failings inherent in America and in particular under Trumps administration. He in turn has turned this into jingoism of the highest order with severe undertones of racism to try and push them as the face of the Democratic party.   

 

[Thaidream]

On 7/17/2019 at 7:13 AM, TopDeadSenter said:

poke his mind, which he is entitled to do, not to downplay the fact that he is quite correct. If some people hate the USA so much they can leave and find a more suitable home elsewhere. 

 There is no evidence whatsoever that Trump is a racist or bigot or whatever names are being thrown around here. Luckily Donald has clarified matters on his excellent Twitter account.

 

"Those Tweets were NOT Racist. I don’t have a Racist bone in my body! The so-called vote to be taken is a Democrat con game."

 

 Now that he clarified his comments were not racist, I hope we can finally put the whole matter to bed, and move on with our lives.

Since when does a racialist get to decide what he says is racist or not?

 

I had an Aunt who used to say- I'm not a racist- I like black people - as long as they know their place.   

 

When Governor Faubus of Arkansas and Governor Wallace of  Alabama both stood in the schoolhouse door and refused to allow black citizens of the US into the classroom- they also claimed they were not racists.

 

Donald Trump is the same- he has denigrated every minority group in America; he denigrates the disabled; he goes after judges who just happen to be of Immigrant background; he goes after people of the Muslim faith;  He has tried to keep transgender people from the military.

 

His actions; his  words and his constant attacks on people of color; the aged; the disabled; people of ethnic backgrounds; transgender people all indicate one thing-  He doesn\t like them and that is considered racist because he doesn't like them because of their differences to him.

- do we really want our children to emulate these type of attitudes and action?

 

Do you want your Thai partner who goes to America to be treated differently and be told not to speak Thai or go back to your own country.

 

I personally do not agree with many of the things  the 4 women espouse or have said but they certainly have a right as citizens of America to express themselves.

 

Donald Trump is different=he must choose his words carefully as he is President of the US.  He can go after his opponents based upon ideas and differences in policies but not based upon personal invective; race or any other personal characteristic of the individual.  Not only is it wrong- it causes divisions; it's not presidential and  weakens the United States.

 

The US motto is E Pluribus Unum-   Out of Many- One and the Statue of Liberty still stands in NY Harbor-The plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty reads: “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore,” she wrote. “Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

 

Americans have to work together and not listen to a demagogue like Donald Trump.

 

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

I think Trumps comments ill-advised but also The Squad will help get him re-elected (70/30 chance I'd say). I don't think he's racist just sloppy with words.

Do you know that in the 70's Trump had to settle with the Justice Dept for discriminating against black people. The Justice Dept repeatedly send couples to Trump properties. The white couples were told there was a vacancy. For the same apartments the black couples were told there wasn't.

[BobBKK]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Do you know that in the 70's Trump had to settle with the Justice Dept for discriminating against black people. The Justice Dept repeatedly send couples to Trump properties. The white couples were told there was a vacancy. For the same apartments the black couples were told there wasn't.

Maybe there was a good reason back in the 70s?  we have to look into cultural context. To me I could not care less if someone was black, white, gay, straight, male or female. I dislike, intensely, identity politics. I have hired 100s over my career and never once taken those things into account either they can do the job or they can't.

[BoBoTheClown]

On 7/17/2019 at 7:13 AM, TopDeadSenter said:

I support Trump in this latest hate-fest against him. He spoke his mind, which he is entitled to do, not to downplay the fact that he is quite correct. If some people hate the USA so much they can leave and find a more suitable home elsewhere. 

 There is no evidence whatsoever that Trump is a racist or bigot or whatever names are being thrown around here. Luckily Donald has clarified matters on his excellent Twitter account.

 

"Those Tweets were NOT Racist. I don’t have a Racist bone in my body! The so-called vote to be taken is a Democrat con game."

 

 Now that he clarified his comments were not racist, I hope we can finally put the whole matter to bed, and move on with our lives.

When white people critique Trump they are never asked to leave even though most of them just got to the country too. America and Trump is a con.  

[bristolboy]

Just now, BobBKK said:

Maybe there was a good reason back in the 70s?  we have to look into cultural context. To me I could not care less if someone was black, white, gay, straight, male or female. I dislike, intensely, identity politics. I have hired 100s over my career and never once taken those things into account either they can do the job or they can't.

And what would that good reason be? Keep in mind that these were "couples" put together by the Justice Dept. So they were going to make the black and the white couples as similarly financially etc. as possible. So what could be those good reasons? And if the reasons were so good, why did the Trumps agree to stop?

[BobBKK]

2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

And what would that good reason be? Keep in mind that these were "couples" put together by the Justice Dept. So they were going to make the black and the white couples as similarly financially etc. as possible. So what could be those good reasons? And if the reasons were so good, why did the Trumps agree to stop?

I believe there was settlement with 'no wrong doing' implied, although it is pretty obvious there was. The 70s was the 70s  and 'pc world' was not even a dream back then and Fred was still around I'd guess. Beyond that many famous Americans, POTUS's and all, owned slaves thank God we are beyond all that!  His son-in-law is a Jew, his father an immigrant and his wife not 'originally' from USA so I think he's almost certainly not a racist just playing the girls right into a trap. People call him stupid but actually he's not. 

[johnnybangkok]

14 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

I believe there was settlement with 'no wrong doing' implied, although it is pretty obvious there was. The 70s was the 70s  and 'pc world' was not even a dream back then and Fred was still around I'd guess. Beyond that many famous Americans, POTUS's and all, owned slaves thank God we are beyond all that!  His son-in-law is a Jew, his father an immigrant and his wife not 'originally' from USA so I think he's almost certainly not a racist just playing the girls right into a trap. People call him stupid but actually he's not. 

His son-in-law is a Jew - white.

his father an immigrant - white

his wife not 'originally' from USA - but also white

 

Do you see a pattern forming?