TM.30: Immigration chief tells foreigners: Report where you are and who is staying with you

[Almer]

1 hour ago, nickmondo said:

why dont they just fit us with ankle bracelets?

then we can really feel like criminals, like we dont already!

Dont joke

[ICELANDMAN]

1 hour ago, BernieOnTour said:

Do you have a Thai residency?

No - you retirement „visa“ is only a visa exemption - so you are here on a temporary basis.

Yes and I happy with this temporary basis, the world is so big

Edited July 21, 2019 by ICELANDMAN

[Phuketshrew]

17 minutes ago, Lenny Jones said:

56 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

Another dose of Thai paranoia.

Why do these people feel so insecure and insignificant ? 

A combination of 2 things:

1) a history of unstable, weak governments - Multiple coupes

2) a normal feature of any military dictatorship wanting to maintain control by suppression and diverting attention to created threats - like nasty foreigners

I thought it was small dicks.

[natway09]

As I have said before,

we all get treated same as the lowest common denominator

[AAArdvark]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Sorry, in understandable English please.

I do believe that he said you are wrong.

[NightSky]

I dare anyone to draw a playboy rabbits ears and a rabbit nose on that main photo then post it back online.. hehehe

 

(only joking, don't do it especially if you value your permission to remain)

 

 

[ThaiFelix]

And what do you do if your local Imm office tells you they dont want the TM30?

[BimBoon]

5 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

And what do you do if your local Imm office tells you they dont want the TM30?

I had that they never heard of it.

[johnny49r]

22 hours ago, rooster59 said:

“House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national." 

So if you are here illegally there is no need to notify local immigration. Good to know!

I wonder what the immigration folks actually do with all that redundant info? Is there any nationwide database where it all collects or is it just another way to make life more difficult for the evil farang.

[NightSky]

10 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

And what do you do if your local Imm office tells you they dont want the TM30?

 

file it safely with the others...

 

 

 

[Rampant20]

23 hours ago, blackcab said:

 

Did I read that right? If you have a yellow house book, or you are listed in the blue house book (Permanent Residents), you do not need to file a TM30 if you are returning to that address?

 

I read it as if you own the property you do not have to. However if the property is in your wife/GFs name she has to submit one.

[simon43]

Look, it's their country and they can make up whatever rules they want.  But don't be surprised when the 'Good guys in, bad guys out' slogan actually results in 'Good guys out, bad guys in'.

 

Bad guys don't do 90 day reports and TM30s.  They lie low.  Good guys (and ladies) are the ones who are being inconvenienced because of these ludicrous rules that do nothing to make the country or foreign tourists/expats any safer.

 

Immigration at CW was due to see another 500,000 baht from me to renew my Elite visa.  That's not going to happen now, and in 3 weeks I'll be sitting in another country with my 1 year business visa, work permit and still with 485,000 baht in the bank ????

[greeneking]

2 hours ago, nickmondo said:

seriously......if you are going to stay with friends for a few days in another city, province, etc, who the hell is going to know apart from you?

just ignore it.

if you go to stay at a hotel, no problem, the hotel does it for you.

I agree.

The only sensible thing to do is to ignore all the nonsense they are heaping on us.

To try to exist outside the law - exactly what they do not want.

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, transam said:

It boils down to they all being tarred with the same brush....If those who control the country had any sense they should be able to sort probs and advise those who control different departments. But no, they are all the same, that's why they cannot fix road carnage, nobody can work out a fix..

 

Even something as simple as the online 90 day check in. Just tried. System is down, or they stopped allowing that convenience? So dumb. It is a $30 fix, if it is broken. It is probably about control, denying us that small bit of comfort, and making sure the entire process is difficult and never easy for us. Such myopia. Such a staggering degree of ignorance and racism. And such a stunning lack of vision and progress. To be expected from this hapless army. Anything they do, everything they touch is tainted.  

[lkv]

4 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

Personally while it may be a pain in the asset I see no reason for the whining that goes on here every time immigration enforces rules that have been on the books for years if not decades.

The 1979 Thai Immigration act has been designed with Cambodian illegal migrants in mind, in the context of the fall of the Khmer Rouge.

Edited July 21, 2019 by lkv

[Tongjaw]

2 hours ago, AAArdvark said:

An early post had a picture of a poster.  In the poster it stated that you had to do a notification of travel outside of the province 48 hours prior to travel.  Does anyone know of any such law and to whom you would notify?  It is ridicules but that is what the poster says. 

You inform the immigration or police at the place you go to. Read the small print on the poster. “It can be done at the local police station within 48hrs of the arrival time”. 

[Greenhill]

I've just been out of my condo to BigC and I told no one and I don't intend to!!!!     Can I expect a fine at my next 90 days Reporting?

[NoshowJones]

23 hours ago, tracker1 said:

good question ! waiting for responses 

So do I.

[NoshowJones]

23 hours ago, transam said:

Mrs.Trans got fined this year because no TM30 and I have had a yellow book for her address for 12 years....Think they need to clarify, IF that is at all possible..????

Hear, hear.

[dcnx]

27 minutes ago, lkv said:

The 1979 Thai Immigration act has been designed with Cambodian illegal migrants in mind, in the context of the fall of the Khmer Rouge.

Thank you.

Edited July 21, 2019 by dcnx

[Rama]

Inching to the North Korea model. I think it would be easier if every foreigner was assigned an official 'minder' who escorted you everywhere in the country. Could charge everyone 500 baht a day for this 'service'....could then say that they have done away with all reporting....

[Artisi]

21 minutes ago, Greenhill said:

I've just been out of my condo to BigC and I told no one and I don't intend to!!!!     Can I expect a fine at my next 90 days Reporting?

Didn't you report to BigC with the appropriate form, passport, etc. naughty  naughty, they will be waiting for you next time you go to Imm. that's unless they come looking for you... 

[BritManToo]

Just now, Rama said:

Inching to the North Korea model. I think it would be easier if every foreigner was assigned an official 'minder' who escorted you everywhere in the country. Could charge everyone 500 baht a day for this 'service'....could then say that they have done away with all reporting....

If it's an attractive young woman, she can watch me day and night.

[rexall]

3 hours ago, Leatherneck said:

I fully understand that when I return to my rented apartment after reentering the country that I need to update my TM.30 at immigration.  Done it twice already without a hitch. But I'm still uncertain/unclear about what is required if I travel around only inside Thailand and return home, am I required to also update my TM.30 at immigration? Or is the onus of responsibility on the apartment management where I live? And if they don't do it, will I be the one at fault and subsequently fined.

Technically, the onus is on the "house master," the manager or the owner. However, I strongly suspect you will be the one at fault if the manager doesn't do it even though that is contrary to what the law requires.  Having said that, if you are just traveling around Thailand, who is to know except by some fluke?

[ThaiFelix]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Of course they did, perhaps for you thinking that's what hotels do, but how do you know if they pass the info on. You don't..

Twice this month my wife and I and 2 other Thai/farang couples went for a bit of a holiday staying at hotels in two major centres here in Isaan.  Each time we registered we were asked for one passport only between 3 farang ??  Work that out.

 

My mate says he has the answer, he only shows his Thai drivers license instead of passport and it is accepted by the hotels.

[NoshowJones]

21 hours ago, jvs said:

A rule that is 40 years old is totally outdated but is being enforced now.

They have a new thing now called computers!!!

They know where you stay when you arrive because you already write that down,immigration computers are connected to a new thing called the internet.

Do i need to go on?

Oh yeah i just remember,common sense is not a common thing here.

Dont worry ,they will think up another useless rule next week.

Stay tuned for more!!!

 

 

 

Thais and computers are not compatible, and please note, I am not talking about smartphones here.

[rexall]

3 hours ago, Tongjaw said:

Try reading and comprehending the article. You don’t notify your local office, you notify the office where you will stay. “ Notification can be done with the local police officer within 24 hours from the arrival time”. Fairly simple and straight forward. I never done a TM 30 until this year when it started being enforced. Well the wife does it and she’s in and out of the IO in 10-15 minutes. No problems and straight forward. 

The is the weirdest definition of "simple and straight forward" I have ever heard!

[humdrumdays]

So what's new?

[rexall]

3 hours ago, nickmondo said:

why dont they just fit us with ankle bracelets?

then we can really feel like criminals, like we dont already!

That is the next step.  Not necessarily ankle bracelets, but some kind of GPS monitoring device is the logical outcome if the screws keep tightening.

[NoshowJones]

20 hours ago, lkv said:

Yep, they called it "foreigner information form", they wanted to know your Facebook and the bars you go to.

 

That was an excellent idea, not sure why they gave that one up.

My friend wants to know if it is OK for him to go to Starbucks.