Latest TM30 word from Bkk Imm, 8/8/19

[Issannative]

Yet a report from another person yesterday said he called cm Imm and they said if you leave province you need to report

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[sunnyboy2018]

Is this legislation from when the military hung democracy protesters and burn tgem alive. This kind of legislation is totalitarian in concept and is reminiscent of the old Soviet Union. Incredibly cumbersome and generates additional work for IO staff. I live in Pattaya and use it as a base to travel all round Thailand. I leave Thailand twice a year. I have never been asked for a TM. Nor have I been required to attend IO within 24 hours. Problematically The information in this thread contradicts the information in the thread entitled 'TM 30 Meeting"

[Issannative]

This is the problem as after that meeting as we all know was a sham. Not on the part of the ppl trying to help but on the other part. That nothing will change it will always be confusing as long as local offices are allowed to do as they like so all we can go by is local reports

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[onera1961]

2 hours ago, Matzzon said:

So, now they are imcompetent. What more can be wrong? If everything is so worthless, why stay and complain?

The lure of Thai brothels (aka bars) is a perfect trap Thailand has laid for the farangs.

[lamyai3]

38 minutes ago, Issannative said:

Why do ppl keep making the excuse of online available that's not the point. Why should we be doing it at all is the point stop making this online available an excuse to make it legitimate

Quite right. It's unbelievable that people are starting to reason that mass-surveillance is acceptable, just as long as there's a user friendly app. 

[Scott]

An off-topic post has been reported and removed.  

 

[Matzzon]

6 hours ago, SicTransit said:

Maybe immigration rules and hoops are everything for you. I'd hazard a guess it's different for most other people.

 

 

Yep. It's only been 40 years since the regulation has been passed and I'm sure the tech will catch up real soon.

There are no hoops. About 40 years. It´s not been enforced before, hence no need for any tech. Really clever to start talk about 40 years, right?

[Puchaiyank]

6 hours ago, Issannative said:

If you refuse the fine you will not be allowed to leave untill you do and then be banned from coming back for a while

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What a blessing!

[Puchaiyank]

the movement of the foreigner has to be reported every time with no exceptions.  

 

Reporting bowel movements is now on immigration's radar!   ????

 

 

[Matzzon]

8 hours ago, ukrules said:

It's one of the things that I love about living in Thailand, I will never run out of things to complain about

Sounds like a lovely retirement. Real value for money.

[jonclark]

If true.. I feel every single expat / foriegn  should go away this weekend and then all turn up en masse at CW on Monday morning and lay seige to the place. And repeat every Monday. 

 

Having 20 to 30,000 people turning up each and every Monday to file tm30 would bring the system to a grinding halt.

[SpanishExpat]

16 minutes ago, jonclark said:

If true.. I feel every single expat / foriegn  should go away this weekend and then all turn up en masse at CW on Monday morning and lay seige to the place. And repeat every Monday. 

 

Having 20 to 30,000 people turning up each and every Monday to file tm30 would bring the system to a grinding halt.

Well the result would be a first come, first serve strategy. You pick a number above xxxx and you‘ll get a harsh „you late“, „go home „, „you pay fine“ in their annoying English and you can’t do yeah....exactly zero! 

[wobalt]

The Thai way of expropriation


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[smedly]

what I find troubling it the work I am having to do just to stay within the ridiculous rules they are now enforcing.

 

- Report this report that on a certain date or if you do a certain thing

- Banking restrictions

- Transfer fees

- Thai currency inflation/manipulation (the BAHT should not be a floating currency)

- Go for a pleasure ride for a few hours and get stopped/harassed by cops every 30mins

- Jump through hoops legally trying comply with financial requirements while others just bypass these rules with agents and bribes

- Travel in country for a few days using hotels and they can't work out I still stay at my primary residence of many years. What they need is a simple dual system, one that allows people to register a permanent residence designed for expats and retires, then another system/process for short stay, it would show your movement in country but not effect your registered permanent address until you actually decide to change it.    

 

I am retired but it doesn't feel like it, I am working with this stuff so much now that I should probably have a work permit - maybe that is next

Edited August 10, 2019 by smedly

[jacko45k]

Perhaps we will all be required to turn on Location Services on our phones 24/7, and supply Thai Immigration with our Google passwords so they can track us?

[GeorgeCross]

9 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Perhaps we will all be required to turn on Location Services on our phones 24/7, and supply Thai Immigration with our Google passwords so they can track us?

 

haven't got location services on my Nokia 3260! 

 

 

[jacko45k]

1 minute ago, GeorgeCross said:

 

haven't got location services on my Nokia 3260! 

 

 

You get an ankle tag.

[petedk]

The lure of Thai brothels (aka bars) is a perfect trap Thailand has laid for the farangs.

Not all foreigners are here for the brothels.

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[edwinchester]

12 hours ago, MichaelJohn said:

Already available once you register; I've done it successfully via their web site https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn24online/

Wifey and I have both registered to do reporting online but have still not been issued usernames and passwords after months of waiting.

Our local office recently informed us that they didn't do online reporting!

[petedk]

Perhaps we will all be required to turn on Location Services on our phones 24/7, and supply Thai Immigration with our Google passwords so they can track us?

Not long ago they wanted to introduce special sim cards with GPS for all foreigners. There was a mass uproar and the idea was dropped. (Probably not because of the uproar, but the capabilities if Immigration IT).

Anyway, right now I could accept the sim card if it meant doing away with ALL other reporting.

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[otherstuff1957]

So far, I have been able to do my 90 day reports without having filed a TM30.  I suppose I will have to file one and pay the fine when I do my next Visa extension, which will then become out of date as soon as I go on a trip.  

 

If I can continue doing this, I will just consider it to be an 'annual travel fee!'

[rabas]

1 hour ago, SpanishExpat said:

1 hour ago, jonclark said:

If true.. I feel every single expat / foriegn  should go away this weekend and then all turn up en masse at CW on Monday morning and lay seige to the place. And repeat every Monday. 

 

Having 20 to 30,000 people turning up each and every Monday to file tm30 would bring the system to a grinding halt.

Well the result would be a first come, first serve strategy. You pick a number above xxxx and you‘ll get a harsh „you late“, „go home „, „you pay fine“ in their annoying English and you can’t do yeah....exactly zero! 

No! At Changwattana if you arrive before the queue closes (4pm?) they stay open to process everyone. I sometimes go late in the afternoon.

 

If everyone shows up every Monday, officers will soon be exhausted, some may resign. That's the way to change TM30!  No need to go anywhere, just say you did. Fill out one TM30 except for the date and make 100s of copies.

 

And do it Thai style, show up with a big smile, "Hi, I'm here to file TM30!" Lol. They will change their mind fast.

 

[Orac]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Perhaps we will all be required to turn on Location Services on our phones 24/7, and supply Thai Immigration with our Google passwords so they can track us?

 

If you download the latest app from them, Section 38, for sending 90 day reports on Android it give permission for them to access your location.

Edited August 10, 2019 by Orac

[jacko45k]

Just now, Orac said:

 

If you download the latest app from them, Section 38, for sending 90 day reports on Android it give permission for them to access your location.

So the App asks for access to location services? I usually turn mine off anyhow. 

[KiChakayan]

1 hour ago, smedly said:

I am retired but it doesn't feel like it, I am working with this stuff so much now that I should probably have a work permit - maybe that is next

Think you've nailed it: "Foreigners who don't use agents for their visa work will be arrested, fined/detained, and duly deported"

[smedly]

24 minutes ago, rabas said:

No! At Changwattana if you arrive before the queue closes (4pm?) they stay open to process everyone. I sometimes go late in the afternoon.

 

If everyone shows up every Monday, officers will soon be exhausted, some may resign. That's the way to change TM30!  No need to go anywhere, just say you did. Fill out one TM30 except for the date and make 100s of copies.

 

And do it Thai style, show up with a big smile, "Hi, I'm here to file TM30!" Lol. They will change their mind fast.

 

not a bad idea

[darrendsd]

11 hours ago, DaRoadrunner said:

Racism. Farangs are being persecuted. It has become a Police state. Do they think I'm gonna waste my time filing a TM 30 while on a weekend break?

 

Why is the Thai Govt doing this? Are they afraid we might take over the country?

 

Maybe they might take notice if we all refused to comply? Though I can't see the Farang community having the balls to stand together.

 

Jesus Christ get a grip

 

All this over reaction about having to visit a Immigration Office a few extra times a year is pathetic 

[smedly]

17 minutes ago, Orac said:

If you download the latest app from them, Section 38, for sending 90 day reports on Android it give permission for them to access your location.

exactly why I do not install Gov apps on my phone and advised the same months ago

 

you can of course block these permissions on the latest versions of Android but then the app may not work

[smedly]

4 minutes ago, darrendsd said:

Jesus Christ get a grip

 

All this over reaction about having to visit a Immigration Office a few extra times a year is pathetic 

you should only need to register your permanent address once - up to a hotel to register a temporary one if you are touring

[jonclark]

1 hour ago, SpanishExpat said:

Well the result would be a first come, first serve strategy. You pick a number above xxxx and you‘ll get a harsh „you late“, „go home „, „you pay fine“ in their annoying English and you can’t do yeah....exactly zero! 

I am sure a news crew would be happy to tag along..media attention of the shambles would make Thailand look bad...and that would raise a few eyebrows.