Is the closure of your favorite bar or restaurant imminent?

[PJ71]

48 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

Why would they step outside from a 5 Star resort, into The 3rd World?  ???? 

Are you suggesting Thailand is 3rd world?

 

If so, you're not very well travelled, are you?

[champers]

2 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

Why would they step outside from a 5 Star resort, into The 3rd World?  ???? 

Because it is cheaper: massages, restaurants, bars, cafes. Hi Rollers make up a tiny minority of casino guests, most are ordinary Joes ( or Joannes) on a budget.

[Leaver]

On 10/20/2022 at 5:47 AM, PJ71 said:

Are you suggesting Thailand is 3rd world?

 

There's some 3rd World infrastructure in Pattaya, which is a result of some World Class corruption.  ????

[Leaver]

On 10/20/2022 at 7:13 AM, champers said:

Because it is cheaper: massages, restaurants, bars, cafes. Hi Rollers make up a tiny minority of casino guests, most are ordinary Joes ( or Joannes) on a budget.

 

Wouldn't it depend on what "market" the casino is catering for? 

[Ralf001]

On 10/20/2022 at 2:13 PM, champers said:

Because it is cheaper: massages, restaurants, bars, cafes. Hi Rollers make up a tiny minority of casino guests, most are ordinary Joes ( or Joannes) on a budget.

The ordinary Joes..... would they not be holed up in a 200b a night flea box on Buakhao ?

[champers]

5 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

Wouldn't it depend on what "market" the casino is catering for? 

They cater for all sorts of gamblers from hi rollers to those pumping money into one armed bandits and everything in between. 

[champers]

4 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

The ordinary Joes..... would they not be holed up in a 200b a night flea box on Buakhao ?

They are the ultra cheap charlies who sit on the steps at 7/11 nursing a Leo for a big night out.

[Leaver]

10 hours ago, champers said:

They cater for all sorts of gamblers from hi rollers to those pumping money into one armed bandits and everything in between. 

 

That's your typical casino.  That business model does not have to be followed.  They may start with smaller and exclusive casinos, only for high net worth individuals. 

 

Mainstream casinos could follow them into the future. 

[champers]

3 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

That's your typical casino.  That business model does not have to be followed.  They may start with smaller and exclusive casinos, only for high net worth individuals. 

 

Mainstream casinos could follow them into the future. 

I think the business model I quoted is tried and tested on a global scale over decades. The one you made up (after a few beers?) isn't in play anywhere as far as I know, not even in James Bond fims. Hi Roller facilities are always part of a much larger operation.

[Leaver]

On 10/28/2022 at 6:50 AM, champers said:

I think the business model I quoted is tried and tested on a global scale over decades. The one you made up (after a few beers?) isn't in play anywhere as far as I know, not even in James Bond fims. Hi Roller facilities are always part of a much larger operation.

 

Sure, but the Thai authorities may start small and exclusive to show casinos do not cause social harm to the Thai public, and then open the door to mainstream casinos.  Or, they could just declare casinos legal and mainstream casinos start appearing. 

[champers]

3 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

Sure, but the Thai authorities may start small and exclusive to show casinos do not cause social harm to the Thai public, and then open the door to mainstream casinos.  Or, they could just declare casinos legal and mainstream casinos start appearing. 

They plan to allow 5 casinos, 1 in each of the 5 regions with Pattaya picked for the Eastern region. Locations are still to be determined for the other 4 regions. I doubt any operater would invest in a hiso only enterprise.

[Ralf001]

On 10/27/2022 at 11:38 PM, champers said:

They cater for all sorts of gamblers from hi rollers to those pumping money into one armed bandits and everything in between. 

I think a Casino in Thailand would cater more towards the Baccarat/Pai Gow/Sic Bo patrons rather than wife beater wearing gents that feed coins into poker and fruit machines before they retreat to their fan room on buakhao.

[Leaver]

23 minutes ago, champers said:

They plan to allow 5 casinos, 1 in each of the 5 regions with Pattaya picked for the Eastern region. Locations are still to be determined for the other 4 regions. I doubt any operater would invest in a hiso only enterprise.

 

Do you have a link for this?

 

If what you posted is correct, then casinos are closer than I thought, and yes, I agree, they will just go ahead and build mainstream casinos  catering to all budgets. 

[champers]

3 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

Do you have a link for this?

 

If what you posted is correct, then casinos are closer than I thought, and yes, I agree, they will just go ahead and build mainstream casinos  catering to all budgets. 

This is similar to the BP article I read (which I cannot link).

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/legalisation-of-5-casinos-proposed-in-thailand-with-30-tax-collection/

[Leaver]

On 10/30/2022 at 6:50 AM, champers said:

This is similar to the BP article I read (which I cannot link).

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/legalisation-of-5-casinos-proposed-in-thailand-with-30-tax-collection/

 

Looks like it's only a matter of time before we see casinos in Thailand.  There are a lot closer than I originally thought. 

[Leaver]

On 10/30/2022 at 3:09 AM, Ralf001 said:

I think a Casino in Thailand would cater more towards the Baccarat/Pai Gow/Sic Bo patrons rather than wife beater wearing gents that feed coins into poker and fruit machines before they retreat to their fan room on buakhao.

 

You don't have to gamble.  One can go to a casino for the restaurants, bars, cafes and nightclub.   

[kinyara]

Definately not, and the well run favourites are welcoming back the high season regulars from around the world. Pattaya is bouncing and it's only early November.

 

Sorry Leaver you got it wrong as usual.

[Leaver]

7 hours ago, kinyara said:

Definately not, and the well run favourites are welcoming back the high season regulars from around the world. Pattaya is bouncing and it's only early November.

 

Sorry Leaver you got it wrong as usual.

 

What, exactly, have I got wrong, kinyara?

 

I started this thread middle of 2019 because restaurants and bars were closing regularly, and whilst I never meant the "well run favorites" I also didn't mean the ones owned by dreamers for 6 months.

 

Some 8 months later, basically, the whole world closed due to covid.  That saw a lot of restaurants and bars close permanently, but that's not what this thread was about, because I started it way before covid. 

 

Since covid, Tree Town was built, and Soi Baukhao and side sois, have gained in popularity, I would suggest due to lower prices, but this is debatable.  Are there more people coming here, or has the popularity of Soi Baukhao, and surrounds, come at the expense of other sois?

 

With covid all but finished, thank Buddha, and we look to 2019 numbers returning, what about all the restaurants and bars that were closing in 2019, and the reason I started this thread? 

 

Has whatever caused many closures back in 2019 simply gone away?  

 

With a global recession a near certainty in 2023, no Russians in the foreseeable future, and China locking in their slaves, do you see it as having no impact at all on Pattaya and businesses here? 

[PJ71]

2 hours ago, Leaver said:

and whilst I never meant the "well run favorites"

But that's what's mentioned in the title of this thread - lol.

 

You've quite a big hole to dig yourself out of......lol.

[topt]

2 hours ago, Leaver said:

no Russians in the foreseeable future, and China locking in their slaves,

Russians - I am told by people who live down that way that Jomtien has quite a lot of Russians now and of course there was a news report about large numbers going to Phuket......

 

China - I am seeing more and more individual or small groups of males especially. Perhaps they have moved in from Cambo......

Also Hasn't China just announced some lightening of their restrictions? I agree it won't mean a sudden influx of the hordes like pre Covid but will be interesting to see what happens with Chinese New Year in Jan/Feb next year.  

[Olmate]

2 minutes ago, PJ71 said:

But that's what's mentioned in the title of this thread - lol.

 

You've quite a big hole to dig yourself out of......lol.

Thats what happens when commenting from abroad! 

[kinyara]

2 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

What, exactly, have I got wrong, kinyara?

 

I started this thread middle of 2019 because restaurants and bars were closing regularly, and whilst I never meant the "well run favorites" I also didn't mean the ones owned by dreamers for 6 months.

 

Some 8 months later, basically, the whole world closed due to covid.  That saw a lot of restaurants and bars close permanently, but that's not what this thread was about, because I started it way before covid. 

 

Since covid, Tree Town was built, and Soi Baukhao and side sois, have gained in popularity, I would suggest due to lower prices, but this is debatable.  Are there more people coming here, or has the popularity of Soi Baukhao, and surrounds, come at the expense of other sois?

 

With covid all but finished, thank Buddha, and we look to 2019 numbers returning, what about all the restaurants and bars that were closing in 2019, and the reason I started this thread? 

 

Has whatever caused many closures back in 2019 simply gone away?  

 

With a global recession a near certainty in 2023, no Russians in the foreseeable future, and China locking in their slaves, do you see it as having no impact at all on Pattaya and businesses here? 

From your very first post you started this thread with, I quote :

 

1) " Is the closure of your favourite bar or restaurant imminent " - No and it didn't happen to any of mine, we've seen places make it through, reopen and the current level of new openings. The industry got battered, the weaker businesses went under but overall it survived pretty well I think given the drastic circumstances and lack of government support.

 

2) " Have you noticed more staff than customers lately " - Never noticed that, I think the common theme now is places are advertising for more staff to meet the rising level of customers, that says to me they downsized previously to make it through the lean period.

 

3) " Is your favourite bar or restaurant struggling " - No they made it through and are now enjoying the benefits of an improving situation.

 

4) " Can they hold out until high season ? Will there even be a high season ?  - Yes they did and yes there will, look at what we are seeing now. Never in doubt for me.

 

Weird comment about no Russians, noticeable increase where I am and as mentioned by another poster it was reported in the news the other day they were the biggest arrivals in Phuket lately.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 13, 2022 by kinyara
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[Leaver]

22 hours ago, PJ71 said:

But that's what's mentioned in the title of this thread - lol.

 

You've quite a big hole to dig yourself out of......lol.

 

Put your glasses back on.  Where in the thread title do the words "well run" appear? 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Leaver

[Leaver]

22 hours ago, topt said:

Russians - I am told by people who live down that way that Jomtien has quite a lot of Russians now and of course there was a news report about large numbers going to Phuket......

 

Is "quite a lot" the same as 2019 numbers? 

 

 

22 hours ago, topt said:

China - I am seeing more and more individual or small groups of males especially. Perhaps they have moved in from Cambo......

Also Hasn't China just announced some lightening of their restrictions? I agree it won't mean a sudden influx of the hordes like pre Covid but will be interesting to see what happens with Chinese New Year in Jan/Feb next year.  

 

Yes, there are some flights from China now coming into Thailand, but nowhere near 2019 numbers. 

 

I have no idea how long China will be keeping their zero covid policy.  It appears, with a large population, and under performing vaccines, they are continuing to combat covid with lock downs and quarantining. 

 

Yes, it will be interesting to see when China decides to "live with the virus" nation wide, and allow freedom of movement again. 

 

 

[Leaver]

22 hours ago, kinyara said:

No and it didn't happen to any of mine

 

Ok, but does that mean no one else lost one or more of their favorite places?  

 

I think there's more to it than just being a "weaker business."  Would you say Retox was a "weaker business?"  It was always busy, and open 24/7. 

 

In any case, can a "weaker business" be someone's favorite place? 

 

22 hours ago, kinyara said:

Never noticed that

 

Does that mean it's not possible, doesn't happen, is inaccurate, is misleading, is fake news etc, or you have just "never noticed" it? 

 

When's the last time you went into a place on Walking Street?  When's the last time you went to Soi 6?  

 

22 hours ago, kinyara said:

No they made it through and are now enjoying the benefits of an improving situation.

 

Yes, most of the "well run" places, as you call them, are still standing.  I have no doubt, despite some covid discounts on rent,  they burned through considerable savings / finance to make it through to the other side of covid.  I wish them well. 

 

The numbers are growing.  Let's hope for a big high season and a return to normality after covid, but now the world is looking at a global recession in 2023.  Do you think that will have an impact on tourist numbers here?

 

As for the Russian, same question, are the Russians back to 2019 numbers?

 

 

 

 

[PJ71]

41 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

Put your glasses back on.  Where in the thread title do the words "well run" appear? 

 

 

I see the word favorite there - lol

[PJ71]

Just now, Leaver said:

Ok, but does that mean no one else lost one or more of their favorite places?

so favorite here and not well run? lol

[kinyara]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

 

Ok, but does that mean no one else lost one or more of their favorite places?  

 

I think there's more to it than just being a "weaker business."  Would you say Retox was a "weaker business?"  It was always busy, and open 24/7. 

 

In any case, can a "weaker business" be someone's favorite place? 

 

 

Does that mean it's not possible, doesn't happen, is inaccurate, is misleading, is fake news etc, or you have just "never noticed" it? 

 

When's the last time you went into a place on Walking Street?  When's the last time you went to Soi 6?  

 

 

Yes, most of the "well run" places, as you call them, are still standing.  I have no doubt, despite some covid discounts on rent,  they burned through considerable savings / finance to make it through to the other side of covid.  I wish them well. 

 

The numbers are growing.  Let's hope for a big high season and a return to normality after covid, but now the world is looking at a global recession in 2023.  Do you think that will have an impact on tourist numbers here?

 

As for the Russian, same question, are the Russians back to 2019 numbers?

 

 

 

 

Repetition, points raised and addressed numerous times previously throughout the course of the thread. " Is your favourite ? " - I've always stayed on topic and written from my direct experience per the thread title.

 

" The Russians won't be back anytime soon " was I believe what you said, see my reply above.

[aussiexpat]

"Is the closure of your favorite bar or restaurant imminent?"

 

No, over 3 years since this thread was started and all of "my favorite bars and restuarants" are still open and going strong despite the horrific covid years

 

Can't believe this thread is still going, pretty much no-one has mentioned a favorite bar that has closed in over a year

[PJ71]

30 minutes ago, aussiexpat said:

"Is the closure of your favorite bar or restaurant imminent?"

 

No, over 3 years since this thread was started and all of "my favorite bars and restuarants" are still open and going strong despite the horrific covid years

 

Can't believe this thread is still going, pretty much no-one has mentioned a favorite bar that has closed in over a year

Correct, it should be closed.