UK PM Johnson says 39 billion pound divorce bill not due in no-deal Brexit

[Forethat]

4 minutes ago, Forethat said:

It should be mentioned that the £39B settlement is in fact NOT the total bill. This is often completely ignored in discussions like This. In addition to the lump sum payment of £39B, May's agreement clearly outlines that the UK are financially liable for any cost related to projects and programmes agreed before the exit date (Article 144). On March 31st each year, the EU will send the UK a new bill. In theory, the final cost for leaving the EU on those terms is impossible to specify, but the number is likely to be bigger than £39B. In theory it could be twice as high - £78B.

And for those of you who thinks this is funny, there's even a clause in May's agreement mentioning UKs financial liabilities for financial operations that are approved in the EU Parliament AFTER Brexit.

 

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have been decided upon and, where necessary, approved on or after the date of entry into force of this Agreement.

 

There really isn't anything funny about that.

[david555]

25 minutes ago, Forethat said:

It should be mentioned that the £39B settlement is in fact NOT the total bill. This is often completely ignored in discussions like This. In addition to the lump sum payment of £39B, May's agreement clearly outlines that the UK are financially liable for any cost related to projects and programmes agreed before the exit date (Article 144). On March 31st each year, the EU will send the UK a new bill. In theory, the final cost for leaving the EU on those terms is impossible to specify, but the number is likely to be bigger than £39B. In theory it could be twice as high - £78B.

Who " leaked" that now again ..…? As it was agreed to kept secret by both party's until after Brexit ...to avoid problems in the U.K. ????....????

Must be Boris's doing ….5555 lol

Edited August 26, 2019 by david555

[Forethat]

10 minutes ago, david555 said:

Who " leaked" that now again ..…? As it was agreed to kept secret by both party's until after Brexit ...to avoid problems in the U.K. ????....????

Must be Boris doing ….5555 lol

Eehh..no, the draft withdrawal agreement is a public document. You should read it.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/draft_withdrawal_agreement_0.pdf

[david555]

8 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Eehh..no, the draft withdrawal agreement is a public document. You should read it.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/draft_withdrawal_agreement_0.pdf

I remember the H.O.C. almost had to drag Gov. Lawyer Cox to come to H.O.C. to clear up some of those ….and he was quit honest about it in his answers …..making the May Gov. not happy 

Edited August 26, 2019 by david555

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Are you unable to read or comprehend? I suggest you go back and read the whole thread.

Jeez some of these EU acolytes are beyond the pale

back at you, show us where it says NO obligation to pay, read between the lines as well

[Sticky Wicket]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

back at you, show us where it says NO obligation to pay, read between the lines as well

Nothing has been ratified so how can there be an obligation

[puipuitom]

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Then the EU must accept tariffs on their 69 billion annual trade surplus.

It's NEVER a country not an Union of countries, who has to pay the import duty, but the importing companies.

And when the importing companies in the UK hardly have alternativers for thir overseas goods, but the importing companies into the EU of UK goods have... then even a normal child can understand what happens then...

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Nothing has been ratified so how can there be an obligation

maybe you are unable to comprehend the UK obligations to the EU after invoking article 50

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

back at you, show us where it says NO obligation to pay, read between the lines as well

Much the same as Germany hasn't paid anyone for their WW2 sh_t eh...

[transam]

2 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

It's NEVER a country not an Union of countries, who has to pay the import duty, but the importing companies.

And when the importing companies in the UK hardly have alternativers for thir overseas goods, but the importing companies into the EU of UK goods have... then even a normal child can understand what happens then...

In that case, tell us....

[Mavideol]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

"As I’ve said many, many times we will therefore on November 1 have very substantial sums available from that 39 billion to spend on supporting our farmers...and indeed for investment in all sorts of areas."

during his campaign he said something about 360 million/week extra savings now he has an extra 39 billion, so much money he doesn't know what to do with it, dream on BJ

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Much the same as Germany hasn't paid anyone for their WW2 sh_t eh...

come on man, get real, what does WW2/Germany has to do with Brexit, you kidding right ?

[ThaiBunny]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

come on man, get real, what does WW2/Germany has to do with Brexit, you kidding right ?

 

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, BigFun said:

Supply and demand no? At least partly for pricing. If the banks leave, due to extra and costly bureaucracy, then the pound will plummet. However, hopefully then manufacturing will become more attractive there once again. This would probably benefit more than those only in the square mile and those after a cheap holiday. Creating real profit again. But the return to manufacturing would take a while to implement. Still could be worth it in the long run if the pound was actually worth something IN the UK ????

According to Netherlands Foreign Investment Agency already over a 100 British companies migrated over the "cod pool" to NL, with 325 more very interested. Thanks for all these jobs.  

[Mavideol]

10 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Nothing has been ratified so how can there be an obligation

"There is no magic world in which the bill no longer exists," the French official said on Wednesday. 

is it clear or you need translation

[david555]

2 minutes ago, rhyddid said:

The blonde BS BJ doesn't even know what is talking about.
I am very positive to a no deal Brexit, as i would really enjoy to see Brexiters try to blame something else instead of themselves once UK economy will be on its knees!

 

[Mavideol]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

In that case, tell us....

at the end it will be the UK consumers who will pay the import tariffs.... same as the US consumers are paying the ones imposed by Trump to China, basic business practices

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

come on man, get real, what does WW2/Germany has to do with Brexit, you kidding right ?

Money.......Germany and the axis clan paid sod all for their failure to overrun the UK and others, now they are asking for a handout....I am old enough to remember....

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

There really are some odious ideologically possessed creatures in control of the EU.

They will do anything to keep the dream alive, including risking lives and businesses.

What.."in control"?

Tusk is only president of teh EU council, with as members he leaders of governments of the EU member states. His successor will be Michel, present head ov gov. from Belgium.

Just as Juncker ( and successor CVon der Leyen)  is the by the council appointed president of teh EU committee, a kind of ministers, from each EU member state one. Have to do, what the council orders.

Learn something about the organisation of the EU.

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

at the end it will be the UK consumers who will pay the import tariffs.... same as the US consumers are paying the ones imposed by Trump to China, basic business practices

Bit like paying 150 quid for Nike trainers that cost perhaps a tenner to make, well folk don't seem to mind....????

[Mavideol]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Money.......Germany and the axis clan paid sod all for their failure to overrun the UK and others, now they are asking for a handout....I am old enough to remember....

let go the past, focus on the future it's more productive

[Mavideol]

1 minute ago, puipuitom said:

What.."in control"?

Tusk is only president of teh EU council, with as members he leaders of governments of the EU member states. His successor will be Michel, present head ov gov. from Belgium.

Just as Juncker ( and successor CVon der Leyen)  is the by the council appointed president of teh EU committee, a kind of ministers, from each EU member state one. Have to do, what the council orders.

Learn something about the organisation of the EU.

 

you are asking to much, it's behind their ability to comprehend the EU organizational structure

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, AGareth2 said:

nothing is agreed until everything is agreed

The UK agreed for a lot of things and expenditures for the present EU budget 2013-2020. A LOT of activities are done together like Eur Medicine Agency, RASFF, EFSA etc. From 1 Nov the UK has to do that all on its own ( costs).

And for the rest: I would advise: stop all activities and projects of the EU in the UK, stop salary and pension payments to each UK citizen, who worked for the EU also per 1 Nov. Let the British FEEL for what that "divorse bill" money is for.

[Mavideol]

1 minute ago, puipuitom said:

The UK agreed for a lot of things and expenditures for the present EU budget 2013-2020. A LOT of activities are done together like Eur Medicine Agency, RASFF, EFSA etc. From 1 Nov the UK has to do that all on its own ( costs).

And for the rest: I would advise: stop all activities and projects of the EU in the UK, stop salary and pension payments to each UK citizen, who worked for the EU also per 1 Nov. Let the British FEEL for what that "divorse bill" money is for.

since we are at it..... EU to stop sending subsidy money to the UK farmers

[Sticky Wicket]

Just now, Mavideol said:

since we are at it..... EU to stop sending subsidy money to the UK farmers

The sooner the better

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

let go the past, focus on the future it's more productive

We are talking money here, the UK had to pay the USA's bills because of the axis aggression, now they are asking for cash because we want to walk...5555

 

Greece thinks like me and they are in the EU fold..

[puipuitom]

5 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

7000 jobs out of 1.1 million and a few quid trf'd. That's less than 1%!!

As I said it's prudent to do so and will be mainly for legal & stat requirements.

You forget the most important one: why EU companies ( and governments) do / did business with the London financial institutions ? Simple, as they were under control of EU laws. Everyone could go to the European Court in Strassbourg. From 1 Nov this is over. My company stopped with activities via London. How many others also ? 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

since we are at it..... EU to stop sending subsidy money to the UK farmers

You don't seem to realise the UK farmers get a bit of the huge amount we pay..

[david555]

1 minute ago, transam said:

We are talking money here, the UK had to pay the USA's bills because of the axis aggression, now they are asking for cash because we want to walk...5555

 

Greece thinks like me and they are in the EU fold..

 

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

The sooner the better

What country are you from....?