Police. Immigration. Press. Why do you let them into your home?

[4675636b596f75]

I just saw a photo of someone sitting on their bed with a sheet or towel over their head, and two policemen in their dwelling, and it brings up a question:  

 

• Why do you let the police into your dwelling unless they have a warrant?
• Why do you allow press or a photographer to enter your dwelling?

 

The police cannot just search your home without a warrant, not even in Thailand.

You don't have to speak with them.

You can meet with them on your own terms and certainly not in your dwelling.

You can refuse to allow press into your home. 

 

Do people not know this?

[Kwasaki]

If anybody official wants see me and come to my home I invite them in, what's your problem. 

[timendres]

5 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

If anybody official wants see me and come to my home I invite them in, what's your problem. 

For me, it would depend a great deal on the context. But a random police officer appearing at my door would have to have a warrant. Otherwise, I will happily meet him at his office. I would not open my door. Would do the same thing in the US, by the way.

[Matzzon]

What do you have to hide? If you do not have anything to hide, you can just invite them. If you refuse, they know that something is wrong and you are hiding something. 

How´s that for a cheese sandwich?

[Anythingleft?]

What do you have to hide? If you do not have anything to hide, you can just invite them. If you refuse, they know that something is wrong and you are hiding something. 

How´s that for a cheese sandwich?

Personally I would not be that trusting given the way things can work over here
There could be quite a benefit to having some witnesses around....

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[timendres]

20 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

What do you have to hide? If you do not have anything to hide, you can just invite them. If you refuse, they know that something is wrong and you are hiding something. 

How´s that for a cheese sandwich?

And what if the person you invite in is the fake police officer (one of many) recently arrested? And if I refuse, what they know is that I am not some numpty.

[Matzzon]

1 minute ago, timendres said:

And what if the person you invite in is the fake police officer (one of many) recently arrested? And if I refuse, what they know is that I am not some numpty.

If it is a fake police officer, then he will probably refuse to be refused entry. If you refuse the real police will believe you are hiding something.

I guess you have to read in to the culture and the way of thinking before commenting more nonsense.

[timendres]

1 minute ago, Matzzon said:

If it is a fake police officer, then he will probably refuse to be refused entry. If you refuse the real police will believe you are hiding something.

I guess you have to read in to the culture and the way of thinking before commenting more nonsense.

Nonsense in your book. Not in mine. I have dealt with police numerous times, and the one thing I will not do is show weakness. You may as well bend over. Polite, firm, intelligent interaction is advised. A random officer at my door gets an appointment at the station, nothing more. That said, 10 officers at my door, and I am going to have to reconsider my position, but I am still inclined to not open my door.

[Matzzon]

26 minutes ago, Anythingleft? said:

Personally I would not be that trusting given the way things can work over here
There could be quite a benefit to having some witnesses around....

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Witnesses are always good. We never talked about that.

[Matzzon]

4 minutes ago, timendres said:

Nonsense in your book. Not in mine. I have dealt with police numerous times, and the one thing I will not do is show weakness. You may as well bend over. Polite, firm, intelligent interaction is advised. A random officer at my door gets an appointment at the station, nothing more. That said, 10 officers at my door, and I am going to have to reconsider my position, but I am still inclined to not open my door.

Yeah. Good boy. Stand strong, and see what the final result will be. 

[timendres]

1 minute ago, Matzzon said:

Yeah. Good boy. Stand strong, and see what the final result will be. 

Have done so twice to date. Still walking erect. (pun intended)

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, timendres said:

For me, it would depend a great deal on the context. But a random police officer appearing at my door would have to have a warrant. Otherwise, I will happily meet him at his office. I would not open my door. Would do the same thing in the US, by the way.

There's your problem you're a paranoid yank, ????

[brokenbone]

1 hour ago, Matzzon said:

What do you have to hide? If you do not have anything to hide, you can just invite them. If you refuse, they know that something is wrong and you are hiding something. 

How´s that for a cheese sandwich?

no, if he refuse, they dont know that something is wrong,

and his refusal may not be hiding something,

you arent logical.

hows that for a sandwish ?

[4675636b596f75]

26 minutes ago, timendres said:

I am still inclined to not open my door.

Good plan.  If they have a warrant, they can kick it in.  Never talk to police.  Not in the USA and not here.  Never.

[ThomasThBKK]

14 minutes ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

Good plan.  If they have a warrant, they can kick it in.  Never talk to police.  Not in the USA and not here.  Never.

 

That. And also, can we stop calling these people police, it's offensive to real cops.

[ukrules]

They're not getting in here without climbing over the gates and knocking the doors down.

 

I remember once there was a news article about some guy in Pattaya, they wanted to arrest him and he was holed up inside a house and they had to wait for him to come out because he wouldn't let them in.

 

They waited for a few days before he finally came out I think - this was a good few years back. I'm pretty sure I read it as a news article on this website.

 

That photo in the OP looks a bit like a hotel room.

Edited September 6, 2019 by ukrules

[4675636b596f75]

2 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

 

That. And also, can we stop calling these people police, it's offensive to real cops.

The word cop is also offensive.  They used to be peace officers years ago in America.

[RichardColeman]

Surely the best way is pretend to get the wife to call 'brother in law' police man to come round 

[JimmyJ]

"The police cannot just search your home without a warrant, not even in Thailand.

You don't have to speak with them.

You can meet with them on your own terms and certainly not in your dwelling.

You can refuse to allow press into your home. 

 

Do people not know this?"

 

No, I didn't.

I've tried to learn that though but haven't found a source.

 

I started a thread once asking if there is a writeup somewhere like "Know Your Rights in Thailand".

But no one responded with one, just advice giving their subjective opinions about how to deal with the police in general and personal anecdotes.

 

In the US, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and many others have written on "Know Your Rights" and these are available online.

Several groups recently had online postings about "Know Your Rights with ICE [Immigration]" for legal and illegal immigrants in the US.

 

I had no idea what the law in Thailand allows and doesn't allow.

How did you find out? Is there something written in English somewhere? It would be a valuable resource - if it exists.

 

Edited September 6, 2019 by JimmyJ

[JimmyJ]

4 hours ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

Good plan.  If they have a warrant, they can kick it in.  Never talk to police.  Not in the USA and not here.  Never.

 

This should be required viewing for everyone living in the US and should be taught in public schools, but the same principles apply to people living everywhere:

 

"Don't Talk to the Police"

 

"Regent Law Professor James Duane gives viewers startling reasons why they should always exercise their 5th Amendment rights when questioned by government officials"

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

 

It's important to know what rights people are given in specific countries. In the US there is the 5th Amendment to the Constitution.

 

Edited September 6, 2019 by JimmyJ

[lkv]

6 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

If anybody official wants see me and come to my home I invite them in, what's your problem. 

So if they bring the photographer also, you still let them in and cover yourself with a bedsheet, like in the picture above? ????

[lkv]

4 hours ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

Good plan.  If they have a warrant, they can kick it in.  Never talk to police.  Not in the USA and not here.  Never.

Just put the headset on, listen to some music, pretend you did not hear the knocks at the door.

[4675636b596f75]

35 minutes ago, JimmyJ said:

"The police cannot just search your home without a warrant, not even in Thailand.

You don't have to speak with them.

You can meet with them on your own terms and certainly not in your dwelling.

You can refuse to allow press into your home. 

 

Do people not know this?"

 

No, I didn't.

I've tried to learn that though but haven't found a source.

 

I started a thread once asking if there is a writeup somewhere like "Know Your Rights in Thailand".

But no one responded with one, just advice giving their subjective opinions about how to deal with the police in general and personal anecdotes.

 

In the US, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and many others have written on "Know Your Rights" and these are available online.

Several groups recently had online postings about "Know Your Rights with ICE [Immigration]" for legal and illegal immigrants in the US.

 

I had no idea what the law in Thailand allows and doesn't allow.

How did you find out? Is there something written in English somewhere? It would be a valuable resource - if it exists.

 

Short and quick answer: I was sleeping with a Thai Lawyer.  

 

An even quicker answer:  If you don't know what your rights are, you have none.

[4675636b596f75]

29 minutes ago, JimmyJ said:

It's important to know what rights people are given in specific countries. In the US there is the 5th Amendment to the Constitution.

We have not been given rights in the USA.  

As an American I have no right given to me by the 1st Amendment.  

The 2nd Amendment does not give me the right to bear arms.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

Do you see you or me referenced above?  No. The 1st Amendment does not give me free speech.  Notice that the amendment tells government what it cannot do, not you and me.  

 

[malt25]

You created such a ruckus about the KFC refund, KFC have taken the fastest route to send you the money. They've asked the BIB to return it to you in person. Now, be a good little Red Neck & just take your refund.

Let me guess... you voted for Trump.

[OneMoreFarang]

10 hours ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

You can refuse to allow press into your home

I find this strange in Thailand. It seems the press follows the police everywhere and nobody stops them.

If the police wants to talk to me then they can talk to me. But I certainly wouldn't want any press with cameras around. Just the fact that they would possibly publish pictures or video with me and the police would indicate that I did something wrong. In my opinion the press has no right to do that if I don't allow it.

 

I just asked my gf and she told me she knows police can't just come in without a warrant or a good reason. But it seems that "good reason" might be that the police thinks people play card which is illegal in Thailand.

Maybe police have reasons like "there was this marihuana smell" or something like that...

[worgeordie]

Thinking......No I cannot remember when I had Police,Immigration,or Press

at my door,and i have lived at same address for 30 years,so a non issue

for me,and many others on here I suppose.

regards Worgeordie

[Just Weird]

3 hours ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

Short and quick answer: I was sleeping with a Thai Lawyer.  

 

An even quicker answer:  If you don't know what your rights are, you have none.

"I was sleeping with a Thai Lawyer". 

How do you know what he told you was accurate when it's normal for Thaivisa posters to condemn all Thai lawyers as incompetent?

[Tayaout]

I once was 19 and got pulled over in the Canadian rockies. I was probably smelling funky and the officer wanted to search my car. I refused.

 

He then asked me many things like do you have drugs, is it only a small amount, what do you hide? I answered his question but everytime he wanted to search my car I asked him for a warrant.

 

He let me go. I had to light one up pass the village to relax my leg from shaking. 

 

Not sure it would work that way in Thailand even if it should. 

Edited September 7, 2019 by Tayaout

[Matzzon]

9 hours ago, brokenbone said:

no, if he refuse, they dont know that something is wrong,

and his refusal may not be hiding something,

you arent logical.

hows that for a sandwish ?

Yes, I am. In Thailand everybody by tradition spill their guts as soon as they see the police. Therefore the way of thinking here is that you are hiing something if you are not willing to show it. 

The logic in Thai and not western. That´s where you are going fatally wrong.