Papa considering 2nd-hand KTM Duke 390

[papa al]

papa nitnoi bored.

Haven't bought a road bike in a few years.

Price is not bad.

Duke has 45 HP so should be interesting.

Main concern is servicing by

dealer or other shop.

Feedback from LOS KTM riders wound be very appreciated.

Thanks very big.

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Edited November 1, 2019 by papa al

[canthai55]

#1 - wrap or repaint

#2 - do something with those fugly wheels - powercoat ?

 

[papa al]

4 hours ago, canthai55 said:

#1 - wrap or repaint

#2 - do something with those fugly wheels - powercoat ?

 

... agree both.

 

Thanks for responding at 4AM.

[Kwasaki]

7 hours ago, papa al said:

Feedback from LOS KTM riders wound be very appreciated.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=th&u=https://www.motorival.com/review-2018-ktm-duke-390/&prev=search

[thaiguzzi]

"If" i liked those sort of bikes, which i don't, i would buy the KTM because i can work on it myself.

In your shoes, i reckon you are going in for a whole lotta pain, will hate the thing within one year, despise the brand KTM, and wish you'd bought an MT03.

Buy a Honda CB300/500, you know it makes sense.

It may say Honda, it may be boring, it will have zero character, but it won't let you down.

Peace & tranquility.

This all coming from someone who hates The Big Red and everything it's corporate name stands for.....

[taninthai]

They do look like fun bikes for good prices now,,,,,impressive top speed same as my versys 650????????????????would imagine the versys to be bit more comfortable and stable at them speeds though..repairs shouldn’t be a problem if have good mechanic ,maybe more of a problem finding parts might be a bit of a delay and maybe expensive,,,example if the tft screen breaks bet there not cheap.

[papa al]

Leaning toward this one.   Duke 200    ~25 ponies

Edited November 2, 2019 by papa al

[canthai55]

Much nicer looking

Just gotta get rid of the Duke on the tank. Easy

 

[papa al]

These are offered by PJ Trading, where 

currently renting the CB150 for a week.

Monday will hopefully switch to Duke 

and have my mechanic look it over.

[Agusts]

I vote for 390cc, if you are getting a KTM at least get a fun one, I heard good things about it, a member of this forum here bought a new one a year ago I think, I thought he would give you a feedback but probably hasn't seen your post...(search the forum for his posts)

 

As for my experience with my purchase of new, un-test driven, Chinese CG150 cr*p, the most important thing will be vibration, so try it first, and decide... Even same model bikes sometime have different amount of vibration (!?), so I'm thinking I never buy a brand new bike again, because at least I can fully test a used one before paying...!!!!??? Scooters excluded due to chassis and engine mount, they have little/no vibration...

 

(Although reputable manufacturers probably have better quality controls and I think/hope they test a new bike before letting it out of the factory (!?), not like re-assembled toys sent in pieces from China and put together by kids in other countries...!!!)

 

 

Edited November 2, 2019 by Agusts

[Damrongsak]

6 hours ago, canthai55 said:

Much nicer looking

Just gotta get rid of the Duke on the tank. Easy

 

A PAPA decal would fit.

[papa al]

9 hours ago, Agusts said:

Even same model bikes sometime have different amount of vibration (!?),

Absolutely.

Hope to test drive the Duke Monday, and run it

up Hywy 3 from Country Club Road,

3km to test for vibration at speed.

Looks like the bike has new tires.

https://www.pjtrading.shop/index.php?id_product=430&controller=product

Unbalanced tire(s) is usually the problem.

Have a stock of BalanceBeads on hand.

Excellent product totally obsoletes lead-weight balancing.

Recommendo mucho. 

 

7 hours ago, Damrongsak said:

A PAPA decal would fit.

Thinking of going all black with red or orange rim tape.

Maybe small 'papa' in Thai script somewhere ?

 

[canthai55]

38 minutes ago, papa al said:

Thinking of going all black with red or orange rim tape.

Maybe small 'papa' in Thai script somewhere ?

Sounds cool !

Not thinking of changing the D to a P ??? 555

[taninthai]

The 200 is a bit on the small size heightwise i think but for 59,000 great prices really.

[papa al]

2 minutes ago, taninthai said:

The 200 is a bit on the small size heightwise i think but for 59,000 great prices really.

Can always sell 200 and buy 390 later.

Used to 15 HP,

so 25 ponies should entertain me for a while.

5 5

[I think 200 & 390 share same frame, not sure.]

[properperson]

1 hour ago, papa al said:

Can always sell 200 and buy 390 later.

Used to 15 HP,

so 25 ponies should entertain me for a while.

5 5

[I think 200 & 390 share same frame, not sure.]

 

Pappa .....

 

yes - the 125, 200 and 390 share the same frame ........

 

The 200 wouldn't be a bad choice...... i've ridden one and quite lively considering...

 

as far as servicing - The ktm / mityon place in Pattaya Tai still doing servicing......but not at  "papa friendly prices"

 

Your usual guys on 3rd Road can do it - They did my 390 a couple of weeks ago...  just need to get the oil filter from Lazada  -  https://www.lazada.co.th/products/full-razer-fr-155-ktm-duke-200-290390690-i264448718-s410534025.html?spm=a2o4m.searchlist.list.5.6aec465dAJTpNP&search=1 -

 

Can get a cleanable / copy K & N filter,  meaning you won't be chasing around for KTM paper ones......

 

I've had both the Gen 1 and Gen 2  390's ......

 

As far as the Gen 1 390 goes - they don't run well "out of the box" - very lumpy and juddery - i ended up changing the rear sprocket ( - 3 teeth), having the exhaust Cat removed to help it breathe better and having it re-mapped at the KTM dealers in BKK -  in an attempt to get it to behave like a normal bike - a load of faffing around that i wouldn't want to repeat......

 

The Gen 2 390 is a great improvement over the Gen 1 bike - firstly a -3 sprocket elimates the lumpy and juddery, without faffing about with re-map/zorst mods - Gen 2 also has ride by wire throttle, nice TFT display, improved brakes / suspension, Michelin Pilot tyres, which last 3 times longer than  the Pirelli's fitted to the Gen 1 bikes - also the foot pegs are set back slightly, giving it a great riding position......

 

As far as which bike to go for ?  -  well if your budget is 60k - then that 200 will do you fine ...... if its 100k then the 390 you mentioned is possible, but be preparted to freck around with it ....... if you can stretch to the 125-130k that the Gen 2 390's seem to be going for - then plump for that ......

 

I'm certainly very pleased with mine........

 

Message me if you want any more info........

.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 3, 2019 by properperson

[alx123]

Go for it. These singles are fun and easy to maintain.

 

Second hand non-Honda bikes lose their value here fast.

 

Got a used Z250SL for just 50k and Thai mechanics are still telling me it should be priced lower because it's not a Honda. 

[papa al]

5 hours ago, canthai55 said:

Sounds cool !

Not thinking of changing the D to a P ??? 555

5 5

took a while to get it.

maybe K to P.

[papa al]

3 hours ago, properperson said:

 

Can get a cleanable / copy K & N filter,  meaning you won't be chasing around for KTM paper ones......

done ordered from Ebay:

&

 

Edited November 3, 2019 by papa al

[OneMoreFarang]

Finally I am able to post - the moderator gave me a break...

 

I bought a new 2017 model Duke 390 last year. I have it now since about 1.5 years and in general I like the bike. I use it 95% only in Bangkok, mostly Sukhumvit traffic. I would buy it again.

 

About KTM: As far as I know the current distributor BurnRubber does not import any new bikes anymore and I think their contract with KTM expires end of 2020. If nobody else will take over that means then there is no official KTM dealer and no KTM spart parts on stock in Thailand anymore.

Last week I saw construction work on the main KTM shop in Bangkok. I don't know if they closed it or renovated it or whatever. Likely I will check again next week. After I discovered that I sent an email to BurnRubber and they did not replay within a week. Not good.

 

There are good KTM spare part finders online to find out the part numbers and parts are available online. I have to admit I never tried to order any online. https://sparepartsfinder.ktm.com/

 

The bikes in your pictures are the "old" model Duke which was produced until 2016. The new model, starting from 2017, had a couple of changes. Some are: LED lights (great front light!), 320mm instead of 300mm front disk brake, throttle by wire, different exhaust, different motor electronic. The mapping of the old model can be changed by KTM. The new model has one fixed mapping, that's it.

 

Engine: This is a high rev one cylinder and not a thumper. Below 4000 RPM the engine does not run smooth, especially in 1st and 2nd gear. Riding behind slow traffic needs constant clutch use.  The red line is at 10,500 RPM and it produces a lot of power. But riding with 5000 RPM is also fine.

The engine runs very lean - emission requirements. In city traffic my bike uses about 4.5 - 5.0l per 100km. In general the engine mapping seems to be perfect. The bike works the same if it is cold or hot. The fan is able to cool the water to normal temperature even in hot weather and stop and go traffic. That is definitely very good. I had overheating problems with other bikes in Bangkok.

 

The frame is the same for the 125 - 390 Duke. It's narrow with very good handling. It's not as small as i.e. my Suzuki Raider 150 but it's small enough for most gaps between cars. And the turn radius is small to maneuver between stopped cars. The seat height is relative high. Anybody shorter than maybe 180cm should better check it.

 

Brakes and ABS are very good.

 

The bike is designed for fun and city and twisting roads and works perfect in those conditions. Riding over 100km/h it get's windy. I think I never had it over 130km/h. The bike can easily do that but I wouldn't want to use it on long trips with "high" speed.

 

There is an interner forum only for the Duke 390 with lots of information. There is also lots of info of differences between the old and new model.

https://www.ktmduke390forum.com/

 

There are lots of videos out there. I think this one is a nice summary.

 

And then there is RokBagorosStuntrider who shows you all the stunts which are possible with that bike - I won't try 10% of them...

 

Ok, that's enough for now. Let me know if you want more details.

[papa al]

Hmmmmm !!

https://www.bahtsold.com/view/ktm-200-duke-quick-sale-376921

[Agusts]

12 minutes ago, papa al said:

Hmmmmm !!

https://www.bahtsold.com/view/ktm-200-duke-quick-sale-376921

Now that might worth a test drive at that price, at higher prices also check out Kawa Z250S as someone mentioned, I think it also has ABS and service and parts better available at Kawa...

[piston broke]

8 hours ago, Agusts said:

Now that might worth a test drive at that price, at higher prices also check out Kawa Z250S as someone mentioned, I think it also has ABS and service and parts better available at Kawa...

 

The Kawa will be like supermarket vanilla ice cream - The KTM (esp the new 390) would be like Ben and Jerry's choco mint chip ......

[properperson]

 

A good source for KTM parts in Thailand now burn Rubber are no more, is WeMoto Thai ......

 

Have used them - Decent prices and products arrived 2 days later:

 

http://www.wemoto.co.th/search?q=ktm

[taninthai]

10 hours ago, papa al said:

Hmmmmm !!

https://www.bahtsold.com/view/ktm-200-duke-quick-sale-376921

So cheap how much are these things new........I would a bit wary of bikes like that,,possibly crash repaired.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, taninthai said:

So cheap how much are these things new........I would a bit wary of bikes like that,,possibly crash repaired.

KTM is leaving Thailand. Within the last year they sold new bikes with considerable discount. I guess that will influence also the price of 2nd hand bikes. And the bike in the ad is an old model. I guess it will be more and more difficult to sell them for a good price.

[thaiguzzi]

12 hours ago, papa al said:

Hmmmmm !!

https://www.bahtsold.com/view/ktm-200-duke-quick-sale-376921

Girl's bike.

You want this one;

https://www.bahtsold.com/view/ktm-1290-super-duke-359902

And it's a bargain...

[taninthai]

12 hours ago, papa al said:

Hmmmmm !!

https://www.bahtsold.com/view/ktm-200-duke-quick-sale-376921

You could proabably sell the full racing exhaust for around 10,000 bht and end up only paying 28,000 bht for this bike????????????????????

[OneMoreFarang]

20 minutes ago, thaiguzzi said:

Girl's bike.

You want this one;

https://www.bahtsold.com/view/ktm-1290-super-duke-359902

And it's a bargain...

555

That is almost as big and heavy like a Harley - not perfect for Thai city traffic.

But fun...

 

[Happy Grumpy]

On 11/2/2019 at 9:35 PM, Agusts said:

I vote for 390cc,

373cc.

 

Single-cylinder.

 

 

Sit on top of a jackhammer to relax afterwards.