sold assets

[Blue bruce]

Hello all , I need some advice. I am married to a Thai. While i am away in America for a short time my Thai wife sold MY car that was legally purchased by me and all the paperwork was in my name.  I also purchased a house with my money after we were married. the house is in her name of course with myself signing some papers at the land office. I have a pink card proving my address.

What rights do I have as far as the car goes, if any ???? as stated the car was totally in my name and now its gone. Am i entitled to anything from the house ???? Since she in fact stole my car what can I do ???? Can I enter my house and claim my personal items which i purchased ?????

Any advice will be appreciated. I will return to Thailand in the next 3 weeks and would like to know what are my rights before i enter the house.

[Farangwithaplan]

No lawyer here but if the car is in your name and it was sold without your authority, it is stolen. House is not in your name so it is not yours. Probably best not to enter.

 

Why not drop a line to a legal professional based in Thailand who deals with westerners. Have all your documentation scanned with the files clearly named before you send them the email.

 

Then carefully in point form state the facts and refer to the scanned documents. IE:

 

• I am the owner of a blue tuk tuk licence plate number ไดา 123 registered in Bangkok. Attached is scanned document "green book.pdf"
• Attached is a money transfer slip "House money transfer.pdf" for 2,400,000THB for purchase of wifes house on 24/10/2016

That will save you money and give the legal rep the best opportunity to give you advice swiftly.

 

 

 

[PatOngo]

There is every chance she transferred the car into her name before selling it. I know of a few cases of this happening.

[spidermike007]

Get some legal advice, from a foreign lawyer, working in Bangkok. Then proceed accordingly. I think the best outcome you can expect, is to get compensation for the car, and perhaps get some of your possessions back.

 

She sounds like a real scam artist. How long did you know her, before marrying her?

[Orton Rd]

Surely she would have to have forged his signature to transfer it? fraud.

[SteveK]

Why don't you just ask her for the money and buy another car? If she refuses then as mentioned she has stolen your car, go to the police, but I suspect they will do little to help you. Has the relationship ended?

Edited November 7, 2019 by SteveK

[bkk6060]

4 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

There is every chance she transferred the car into her name before selling it. I know of a few cases of this happening.

Yes.

It can be done fairly easy especially thru an agent type.

 

Geez, sounds like another sad story about to happen.

She will probably change the locks or boot you from the house.

 

Sorry, hope things work out.

[petermik]

Good luck with trying to recover anything,sorry to be so pessimistic but foreigners here have very little legal rights and what few we do have take an awful lot of time,and money,to come to fruition.....sometimes it,s better to walk away.

Do you have issues with your wife and what are the reasons she has done this....more info needed really

 

[BritManToo]

42 minutes ago, Blue bruce said:

What rights do I have as far as the car goes, if any ???? as stated the car was totally in my name and now its gone.

Report the car as stolen, give them the name and address of the person who now has the car.

The car will be returned to you the legal owner, and someone else can sort through who did what to whom.

[PatOngo]

12 minutes ago, SteveK said:

Has the relationship ended?

Seriously? It sounds far from healthy!

[bkk6060]

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Report the car as stolen, give them the name and address of the person who now has the car.

The car will be returned to you the legal owner, and someone else can sort through who did what to whom.

He can try, but probably a big waste of time.

With proper connections ownership of a bike can be transferred in a day.

Also, maybe she used the abandonment excuse.

Which is probably what she did prior to sale.

Should be an interesting case.

[CharlieH]

Can you prove any of what you claim in documentation ? If you have no paper trail you have nothing to chase. Any legal professional will first need proof to substantiate what you are stating. 

If you have evidence, then the next stop if your relationship has deteriorated or dissolved is to speak with a qualified professional and not rely on " he said she said" from an internet forum.

[BritManToo]

5 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Can you prove any of what you claim in documentation ? If you have no paper trail you have nothing to chase. Any legal professional will first need proof to substantiate what you are stating. 

As you're not allowed to sell a car without a passport page showing a long term VISA AND a certificate of residence.

It should be dead easy to prove (as OP was out of the country at the time it was sold).

Not to mention a valid TM30 ............

Edited November 7, 2019 by BritManToo

[RJRS1301]

NO happy ever afters in this posting it appears.

Hope you have your financials protected.

[orchis]

you'd need to declare the theft at the police station first.

[SteveK]

Another good reason not to spend more in Thailand than you are prepared to just walk away from if the brown stuff hits the fan.

[eisfeld]

30 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

As you're not allowed to sell a car without a passport page showing a long term VISA AND a certificate of residence.

Small correction: a long term visa is not needed for buying or selling a car. A certificate of residence also not needed when having a work permit for example.

[baansgr]

Forget the house, its hers you can't get nothing....welcome to the club of ripped off foreigners...file a police report about the stolen car, three month window, after that is a civil offence...yet another example of thievery here by someone's different tirak

[AlexRich]

Sage advice for Thai adventurers looking for love:

 

"if it flies, floats or <deleted>, rent it, don't buy it"

[Destiny1990]

Try to bluff your way inside your house by flashing your pink card in front of her face.

[Lamkyong]

after all said and good or bad legit or not the guy on the face of it has been well and truly shafted  be it his own bad or all her doing 

 

 

 

PLEASE MATE  COME INBOARD YOU ARE <deleted>   ED

[The Man Who Sold the World]

Talk to Thai Lawyers - you need valid legal advice from a licensed Thai Attorney concerning your situation. Document the details of your situation. E-mail to a few Thai Legal Firms, compare their replies. Call ones that seem correct. 

 

Do your due diligence in selecting your legal representative. This is/are legal issues concerning a Thai national and a foreigner. You do need qualified legal advice. (not internet website keyboard warrior opinions)

 

Good Luck.     

[xylophone]

5 hours ago, PatOngo said:

There is every chance she transferred the car into her name before selling it. I know of a few cases of this happening.

 

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

As you're not allowed to sell a car without a passport page showing a long term VISA AND a certificate of residence.

If she did then I believe she can sell it without having to show p/port, visa etc as she is a Thai national.

[seajae]

mate, if you are serious about this then you have to report it as stolen, as for the house, it was bought after you were married so you are entitled to at least half of it but if you can prove that you paid for it all then you may get more but you have to grab the bull by the horns and not just sit back and do bigger all. You can show the police the paper work to prove it was in your name as well as your pass port to show you were out of the country when it was sold without your permission just in case she did forge your signature to move it to her name, that is theft and they will have to follow through with it

 

[mauGR1]

Sorry to say, but your wife looks like a dubious character.

All i can say is, whatever you decide to do, be careful.

[DepDavid]

Sorry to hear Bruce.  I'm just guessing all the documentation you need is in the house.  Or it was anyway.  Maybe go with a mutual friend that can help keep peace and ask for your stuff.  Next try taking police with you if that doesn't work.  They will probably want a fee for this service.

[BritManToo]

19 hours ago, SteveK said:

Another good reason not to spend more in Thailand than you are prepared to just walk away from if the brown stuff hits the fan.

Another good reason the get married to a Thai woman who can get a 90% mortgage.

Nobody steals from a Thai bank.

[Blue bruce]

I thought our reslationship was good. A few days ago when i called she said all happily i have a surprise for you

 Then she shows me a pic of the new car. I adk her how she can sell or trade in MY car without me signing off on the title

 She says the new car is in her name. Isn't that stealing????  

Yes i have documentation that it is or was my car. A d the insurance and road tax were in my name.

I seriousally doubt the police will do anything about forgery.?????

[Blue bruce]

I will return to Thailand in 17 days. I will try a d gry it sorted out than. As of right now she thinks every thing just fine. I have not made an issue on the phone. I dont think this going to end well for me. 

Police help ha ha. Thanks for all the responses

[eisfeld]

If you purchased these after marrying then couldn't it be considered marritial property and not 100% yours/hers anymore? I'm not sure how Thai law works exactly in this regard but it's something to consider. If you divorce then for example you'd have also a claim on 50% of the property value even if it is on her name.

 

In either case buying a new car while you are abroad is a huge red flag unless you both are so financially flush that a car doesn't register much on the budget. These kind of expenses should be discussed and planned a bit between a couple in normal circumstances.

Edited November 8, 2019 by eisfeld