Pelosi says Trump has admitted to bribery as impeachment probe intensifies

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

What an idiotic statement.  You know damn well that the only reason Trump is withholding witness from testifying is due to the sham aspect of the proceedings.  Were it fair he'd allow anyone to testify.  Same as he did during the Mueller investigation.  You do remember that?  Disingenuous rationale being used here.

 

That's a new excuse for his administrations refusal to participate. The ONLY reason? Did you make that one up yourself or is it the latest subterfuge and spin from Fox and Friends? I prefer this actually.

Rep. Swalwell: 'If the president is innocent' he'll let Mick Mulvaney and John Bolton testify

 

Trump himself didn't testify during the Mueller investigation; not even behind closed doors. His own lawyers knew all too well he couldn't keep his own grandstanding yap on topic so Mueller had accept his written answers to questions. Now that there's this bribery impeachment, he's shut down anyone from his sycophantic circle talking. Bolton has already quit and is willing to testify but I bet DJT's ass is puckering now that the Dems subpoena of Bolton's deputy has been withdrawn and that judge asked to dismiss that case. This despite Mulvaney's 11th-hour effort to jump on the same 'I am confused and need legal counsel' bandwagon. I guess after his disastrous network outings and after visiting DJT's woodshed, he gets really nervous whenever he sees a bus. Mulvaney is the probably the biggest flip-flopper of them all with his disastrous 'we do quid pro quo all the time' press statement and his subsequent farcical backpedaling and retractions. Anne Robinson would have him for breakfast.

 

Meanwhile, the likes of Perry have this time-delayed 'resignation' BS in play because they're worried they need that overarching White House cloak on non-accountability, non-compliance and silence or else they may perjure themselves. This administration is just a huge, trembling blancmange of mendacity.

[Jingthing]

This is divisive but it's necessary. May the wise men win, though I wouldn't bet on it.

 

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It’s the Wise Men vs. the wise guys in Trump’s America

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/its-the-wise-men-vs-the-wise-guys-in-trumps-america/2019/11/14/277f1850-0708-11ea-ac12-3325d49eacaa_story.html

[NanLaew]

32 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Just recall Nunes waving that document he got from the WH at the news cameras while declaring he’d discovered important information in that same document that he must now take to the WH.

 

All you need to know about ‘Cowboy’ Nunes.

For cringeworthy, it's right up there with Booker's 'I am Spartacus' moment during the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings.

[bristolboy]

4 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

What an idiotic statement.  You know damn well that the only reason Trump is withholding witness from testifying is due to the sham aspect of the proceedings.  Were it fair he'd allow anyone to testify.  Same as he did during the Mueller investigation.  You do remember that?  Disingenuous rationale being used here.

So you know that for a fact do you? That the "only reason Trump is withholding witness from testifying is due to the sham aspect of the proceedings.  Were it fair he'd allow anyone to testify. Same as he did during the Mueller investigation."

Really, How about himself? Did he agree to be interviewed by Mueller? 

[spidermike007]

6 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

Admitted what? They have a transcript of the call. There is absolutely nothing illegal that took place. His presidency has been nothing beyond normal conservative policy, with the exception of trying to NOT carry out a neo-con neo-liberal foreign policy of the Bush II- Obama years. This has the State department and intelligence service fuming. And sadly we now see that THEY think they run the show. They don't.

What state department? Trump has all but dismantled the state department. There are still hundreds of major positions that have not been filled. And it is all deliberate. Foreign policy means less than zero to this myopic administration. 

 

You mention intelligence services and Trump in the same breath? He has undermined all the intelligence services within the US, with a vengeance. The only intelligence services he seems to admire, are those of N. Korea, China, Russia and the Saudis. 

 

Don Donald is going down in flames. He is a traitor. He has betrayed his nation. Remove him and lock him up. 

[JHolmesJr]

16 hours ago, webfact said:

"The bribe is to grant or withhold military assistance in return for a public statement of a fake investigation into the elections. That's bribery," Pelosi, the top Democrat in Congress, told a news conference the day after the first public hearing in the impeachment inquiry she announced in September.

 

What nonsense....a bribe is either given or taken. 

With reference to Ukraine, Trump hasn't taken a bribe...nor has he given one.

 

 

 

[Opl]

15 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

What nonsense....a bribe is either given or taken. 

With reference to Ukraine, Trump hasn't taken a bribe...nor has he given one.

 

 

 

say thank you to the whistleblower

[jany123]

44 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

What nonsense....a bribe is either given or taken. 

With reference to Ukraine, Trump hasn't taken a bribe...nor has he given one.

 

 

 

Not according to the dictionary... that says it can be offered, given, taken or solicited.

 

you got 2 out of 4... not bad.... above average for a republican, even

 

so... with reference to Ukraine, the trump solicited. Lock him up lock him up lock himup lockhimup lockimup lokimup lokimup 

[JHolmesJr]

7 minutes ago, jany123 said:

Not according to the dictionary... that says it can be offered, given, taken or solicited.

 

'Offered' is usually linked to 'given' .....and 'solicited' linked with 'taken'.

Let's keep things simple for us deplorable please.

 

 

[jany123]

42 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

'Offered' is usually linked to 'given' .....and 'solicited' linked with 'taken'.

Let's keep things simple for us deplorable please.

 

 

Rubbish. “Given” and “taken” directly imply receipt of what was offered or solicited. 

 

 

You specified unequivocally that nothing was received. That “nothing” was received, is your argument, and it’s a false argument.  You stated....

 

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

What nonsense....a bribe is either given or taken. 

With reference to Ukraine, Trump hasn't taken a bribe...nor has he given one.

 

 

 

As the definition of “bribe” does not require receipt of anything, your attempting to mislead the forum.... your idea of keeping it simple by ignoring half the definition is lying by omission. 

 

 

[Redline]

17 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Never seen a statement where Trump admitted to bribery.

 

Pelosi needs to stay off the bottle.

Maybe you need stronger glasses?

[FritsSikkink]

Trump is so stupid that even FOX is talking about new charges of witness tempering:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-turning-point-in-this-hearing-fox-personalities-speculate-if-trump-yovanovitch-tweet-could-lead-to-witness-intimidation-charges/ar-BBWP58Z?ocid=spartanntp

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

What nonsense....a bribe is either given or taken. 

With reference to Ukraine, Trump hasn't taken a bribe...nor has he given one.

 

 

 

It is a crime to offer or solicit a bribe regardless of whether or not the transaction takes place.

[Kelsall]

Trump did not commit bribery and of course never admitted to bribery.  Trump approval is back up to 50% which could not have happened if he were guilty of such crimes. 

[bristolboy]

23 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Trump did not commit bribery and of course never admitted to bribery.  Trump approval is back up to 50% which could not have happened if he were guilty of such crimes. 

Back up to 50% on Rasmussen. Where approval ratings bounce around wildly as in no other poll. 

[Kelsall]

58 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Back up to 50% on Rasmussen. Where approval ratings bounce around wildly as in no other poll. 

The only poll to correctly a Trump win in 2016.

[DoctorG]

I have now read all 21 pages, and have learnt very little.

Happy to just let everyone keep to their entrenched views and await developments.

[WalkingOrders]

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

How so?

 

The principal that nobody is above the law is being enforced.

 

The Constitutional checks on the executive are being used to bring a criminal President who is acting against the US to heal.

 

This isn’t weakness, it’s isn’t  failure.

 

This is the best of America.

 

Nobody, not even the President, is above the law.

Your characterization is one which is not true. That is going to be clear over the next few weeks. After that you can come back here and say that you were wrong.

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Your characterization is one which is not true. That is going to be clear over the next few weeks. After that you can come back here and say that you were wrong.

Back to being a time traveler? Got your time machine fixed?

[WalkingOrders]

10 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

What state department? Trump has all but dismantled the state department. There are still hundreds of major positions that have not been filled. And it is all deliberate. Foreign policy means less than zero to this myopic administration. 

 

You mention intelligence services and Trump in the same breath? He has undermined all the intelligence services within the US, with a vengeance. The only intelligence services he seems to admire, are those of N. Korea, China, Russia and the Saudis. 

 

Don Donald is going down in flames. He is a traitor. He has betrayed his nation. Remove him and lock him up. 

Foreign policy is happening in this administration and happening well. No one is going to remove him. No one is going to lock him up. The Attorney General will issue indictments soon. As I said earlier . All bets taken. We can revisit this later. I want you to tell everyone here how wrong you were.

[WalkingOrders]

3 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Back to being a time traveler? Got your time machine fixed?

You seem to have some strange phobia about the future being under discussion. As I said earlier this entire thing is about the future of a US President, the future of US policy, and the future of the United States, all of your conjecture about the truth or meaning of past events is related to the future. I will see you again to discuss this in a few weeks, that will be in the future, of course at that time it will be in the present. See how that works? So enough of your insult. 

[Thainesss]

1 minute ago, WalkingOrders said:

Foreign policy is happening in this administration and happening well. No one is going to remove him. No one is going to lock him up. The Attorney General will issue indictments soon. As I said earlier . All bets taken. We can revisit this later. I want you to tell everyone here how wrong you were.

 

I don't know why you think you'll ever get an admission from a liberal. You must understand these people feel they are your moral betters who know what's best for you and everyone else. Methods don't matter. Facts don't matter. These same people have been parroting the same nonsense for years without skipping a beat or reflecting in the slightest and they certainly won't start now.  They will transition in 5 minutes to the next Dem talking point like it was nothing. 

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

You seem to have some strange phobia about the future being under discussion. As I said earlier this entire thing is about the future of a US President, the future of US policy, and the future of the United States, all of your conjecture about the truth or meaning of past events is related to the future. I will see you again to discuss this in a few weeks, that will be in the future, of course at that time it will be in the present. See how that works? So enough of your insult. 

It's not a matter of insults. It's a matter of invoking the future to back your arguments. That's the great thing about the future - it can be almost whatever you want it to be. But one thing it can't be is a fact.

[xylophone]

13 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

call me a liar or call me stupid

OK......done.

[Becker]

13 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

A President of the United States is elected. Bureaucrats and the party out of power do not like the incoming policy. The FBI and the CIA combine to actually try and remove him. An acting director of the FBI is on record along with acting DOJ as having discussions about using the 25th amendment. Then they deny they are serious. So here is my truth - nope never heard of that in my lifetime. call me a liar or call me stupid I don't care. I have on national TV ex-CIA director, and EX-FBI director being paid by news channels to constantly berate the current President. Never saw that in my lifetime- call me old and dumb its ok. A sitting Speaker of the House accuses the President of literally (and she puts in writing for our Armed Forces to see) of being a Russian stooge - a manchurian candidate, a guy working for Putin directly - compromised. The Speaker of the House did that. My God I thought, need to get to the bottom of that - that's dangerous, but it turns out to not be true. Never saw that in my life, never - maybe I have no wisdom and missed it. A whistleblower law - well that pertains to departments in the Federal Government so that Fraud waste or abuse can be reported. It does not apply to the President of the United States. I never saw that before - again what do I know? Maybe it happens all the time that political parties do this - NOPE sorry its new - then again maybe I am a silly old man who knows nothing. Calling for the makeup of the Supreme court to be changed to be stacked - to move the Justices to other parts of the USA to weaken the conservative lean of the current court, no one suggested this since the 1930s. Didnt go over well. Not enough votes? Hey lower the age to 16 - hey that's new. Weaken the strength of the ability of the United States to control its own border. Gosh they taught me in school that Nations with weak borders have a difficult time of it. No? Sorry, just me being an old stupid idiot, but truthfully, and gosh only trying to tell the truth - never heard of that in all my years either. Its all new. How about all DEM candidates suggesting they will send Federal agents to order Americans surrender their semi-auto rifles, sorry this is new to me - not new to you? OK you think its a good idea how many rifles are there how many confiscations? How much potential for dead law enforcement agents or citizens in the event of such a happening? How about if only 1% refused? yer okay with those numbers?  Wow its a new world. I am just a frightened old man.  Have at it. I have no wisdom to offer

There's so much drivel in your post that it's amazing your PC didn't explode and I certainly can't be bothered to educate you on all of it so I'll just focus on one thing:

" A sitting Speaker of the House accuses the President of literally (and she puts in writing for our Armed Forces to see) of being a Russian stooge - a manchurian candidate, a guy working for Putin directly - compromised. The Speaker of the House did that. My God I thought, need to get to the bottom of that - that's dangerous, but it turns out to not be true."

How exactly did that turn out not to be true? Because clearly Trump's actions and words suggest that at best there is a Russian stooge in the WH and at worst a Russian agent.

Either way the man is a traitor and deserves to spend the rest of his miserable life in a jail cell.

[Becker]

24 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

I don't know why you think you'll ever get an admission from a liberal. You must understand these people feel they are your moral betters who know what's best for you and everyone else. Methods don't matter. Facts don't matter. These same people have been parroting the same nonsense for years without skipping a beat or reflecting in the slightest and they certainly won't start now.  They will transition in 5 minutes to the next Dem talking point like it was nothing. 

"Methods don't matter. Facts don't matter."

Love it when base Trump supporters accuse others of not caring about facts. It's like Trump accusing others of lying!

[WalkingOrders]

31 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

It's not a matter of insults. It's a matter of invoking the future to back your arguments. That's the great thing about the future - it can be almost whatever you want it to be. But one thing it can't be is a fact.

It eventually becomes the present - see you then

[Becker]

4 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

It eventually becomes the present - see you then

Does that mean you won't post in the meantime?

[WalkingOrders]

13 minutes ago, Becker said:

There's so much drivel in your post that it's amazing your PC didn't explode and I certainly can't be bothered to educate you on all of it so I'll just focus on one thing:

" A sitting Speaker of the House accuses the President of literally (and she puts in writing for our Armed Forces to see) of being a Russian stooge - a manchurian candidate, a guy working for Putin directly - compromised. The Speaker of the House did that. My God I thought, need to get to the bottom of that - that's dangerous, but it turns out to not be true."

How exactly did that turn out not to be true? Because clearly Trump's actions and words suggest that at best there is a Russian stooge in the WH and at worst a Russian agent.

Either way the man is a traitor and deserves to spend the rest of his miserable life in a jail cell.

You can't educate me because you are not in a position to do so, and don't try to begin a conversation by laying a false claim that you have some sort of superiority of knowledge with someone when you don't. Regarding the facts of th matter, the claims of Pelosi and others, have been proven false by the Mueller report, which spent two years and came to the conclusion that there was no conspiracy. As for baseless charges of Putin having something on the President and being in his pocket, and working for them, this is something which is disgusting for a Speaker of the House to say. She had no such evidence and no such evidence was found. A disgusting assertion.  As for your statement that "either way" the man is a traitor. What does that mean either way? That he is a stooge or an agent? You know absolutely nothing of US foreign policy toward the Russians in this administration vs the previous administration and that is obvious in your post. In fact I think you know very little about US foreign policy in general.  Trump is not a traitor, is not going to jail. This impeachment is a shame. It is a continuation of a very sad episode in American politics. The Democrat part will not be forgiven and I am sure that they will not be forgiven. 

[Tippaporn]

47 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

I don't know why you think you'll ever get an admission from a liberal. You must understand these people feel they are your moral betters who know what's best for you and everyone else. Methods don't matter. Facts don't matter. These same people have been parroting the same nonsense for years without skipping a beat or reflecting in the slightest and they certainly won't start now.  They will transition in 5 minutes to the next Dem talking point like it was nothing. 

Every word you wrote is true.