Scotland must be given new independence vote - Sturgeon

[Orton Rd]

1 hour ago, Bell1234 said:

Not a chance.. The SNP have blocked Boris on Brexit so expect the same serving back.

They had their referendum on it, game over

[RuamRudy]

30 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

 

Possibly because one of his parents is English and the other one is Scottish?

 

It's quite obvious really.

So because one of Colin's parents is Scottish, he can say with certainty that Nicola Sturgeon "dont give a rats a++e about Scotland or Scottish people. She just wants to be boss, and dragging Scotland down is of no concern to her"? I would love to hear how you came to that conclusion. 

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, Orton Rd said:

They had their referendum on it, game over

And we will have another too - hopefully this time not polluted with the lies of the Westminster led 'remain' side.

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Correct. 

 

Incorrect.

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

And we will have another too - hopefully this time not polluted with the lies of the Westminster led 'remain' side.

 

Another "once in a generation" referendum; and another; and another; and another until they get the result they like!

 

Only it isn't Sturgeon's decision. It's for the British government and parliament to decide. Representing the wishes of all the people in the UK which ever region they live in.

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

Times change, people wake up to the incredibly bad deal we get from the UK. Don't you like the expression of democratic will?

 

Love democracy. Like generations before, and hopefully after, I'd be willing to fight to preserve it.

 

Democracy isn't less than 10% of the electorate demanding to get it's own way or threatening to try and break up the whole.

 

Nationalists have warped ideas about what democracy is.

[GalaxyMan]

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Only it isn't Sturgeon's decision. It's for the British government and parliament to decide. Representing the wishes of all the people in the UK which ever region they live in.

OMFG, still with the mentality of the colonial overlord.

[robertson468]

If Scotland would like independence, fair enough, but what worries me is the SNP has not published (to my mind) any policies on how they will fund the economy..........where is the money going to come from?  When Salmon started this process he was asked what currency Scotland would use if they got independence (because there will be a transitional period before possibly joining the EU) .  "Oh we will use Sterling".  The then Prime Minister gave him short shrift and told him to think again!  So even on the most basic issues, these so called leaders do not have a plan, so what hope in hell do they have in leading Scotland in to the EU?

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, robertson468 said:

If Scotland would like independence, fair enough, but what worries me is the SNP has not published (to my mind) any policies on how they will fund the economy..........where is the money going to come from?  When Salmon started this process he was asked what currency Scotland would use if they got independence (because there will be a transitional period before possibly joining the EU) .  "Oh we will use Sterling".  The then Prime Minister gave him short shrift and told him to think again!  So even on the most basic issues, these so called leaders do not have a plan, so what hope in hell do they have in leading Scotland in to the EU?

Where does the money come from now? Do you think we are all sitting in the pub while we wait on the arrival of the next shipment of English money to buy our Buckfast and skag?

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

Because she has the backing of half the country.

 

She has the backing of a large, could be nearly half or maybe even just above, the electorate in Scotland. That would about 4% of the UK electorate.

 

Why on earth should 96% of the electorate be dictated to by her?

[RuamRudy]

11 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Another "once in a generation" referendum; and another; and another; and another until they get the result they like!

 

Only it isn't Sturgeon's decision. It's for the British government and parliament to decide. Representing the wishes of all the people in the UK which ever region they live in.

Once in a generation? Get with the corrupted message - you are meant to call it 'once in a lifetime'. That is the line that is most frequently trumpeted. However if you check the Edinburgh agreement you will find no such statement. It is a throwaway line used by desperate people in another country who are terrified of losing the cash cow they have successfully bled dry for decades.

[david555]

Nasty side effect because Boris wins U.K. loose Scotland …..karma ?

 

Anyway we the E.U. thanks Boris …,as now at least May's Boris "witdraw agreement" can finally pass the commons ….waw !

All starts good ,chess pieces ready to set 

[Baerboxer]

9 minutes ago, GalaxyMan said:

OMFG, still with the mentality of the colonial overlord.

 

Best not to post if you've nothing intelligent to post.

 

Believe Mel Gibson is a historian too then?

 

 

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

She has the backing of a large, could be nearly half or maybe even just above, the electorate in Scotland. That would about 4% of the UK electorate.

 

Why on earth should 96% of the electorate be dictated to by her?

Because as with EVEL, we appreciate your concerns but they are wholly irrelevant. Scotland is a sovereign nation and the worries of those in the country next door are inconsequential.

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

Once in a generation? Get with the corrupted message - you are meant to call it 'once in a lifetime'. That is the line that is most frequently trumpeted. However if you check the Edinburgh agreement you will find no such statement. It is a throwaway line used by desperate people in another country who are terrified of losing the cash cow they have successfully bled dry for decades.

 

Still deluded about which country you are from and what nationality you have.

 

Read your passport, give yourself a treat.

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

Because as with EVEL, we appreciate your concerns but they are wholly irrelevant. Scotland is a sovereign nation and the worries of those in the country next door are inconsequential.

 

Scotland isn't a sovereign nation. Nor are England, Wales or Northern Ireland.

 

You can pretend however much you want, but that's the fact. 

 

[Baerboxer]

15 minutes ago, robertson468 said:

If Scotland would like independence, fair enough, but what worries me is the SNP has not published (to my mind) any policies on how they will fund the economy..........where is the money going to come from?  When Salmon started this process he was asked what currency Scotland would use if they got independence (because there will be a transitional period before possibly joining the EU) .  "Oh we will use Sterling".  The then Prime Minister gave him short shrift and told him to think again!  So even on the most basic issues, these so called leaders do not have a plan, so what hope in hell do they have in leading Scotland in to the EU?

 

Miss mouthy thinks she can demand her cake, eat it, have it and complain it wasn't to her satisfaction.

 

She thinks she'll negotiate a wonderful deal and screw the UK. 

 

Sooner or later reality will kick in.

 

Most Scots are sensible enough to see through her and her manipulation of the English haters.

Edited December 13, 2019 by Baerboxer

[martin3]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

If scotland leaves the UK will be weaker still. Will be a nice show to see the UK crumble.

 

I dont like the EU but there is strength in numbers.

I really hope your holding your breath on this one!

 

[AliG]

10 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Correct. 

"Boris Johnson may have a mandate to take England out of the European Union. He emphatically does not have a mandate to take Scotland out of the European Union. Scotland must have a choice over our own future."

Last time I checked Scotland were not members of the European Union, But don't forget they are members of the UK which IS A member of the European Union and will be leaving

[Chazar]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

Because she has the backing of half the country.

funny she didnt  have it last time

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, AliG said:

"Boris Johnson may have a mandate to take England out of the European Union. He emphatically does not have a mandate to take Scotland out of the European Union. Scotland must have a choice over our own future."

Last time I checked Scotland were not members of the European Union, But don't forget they are members of the UK which IS A member of the European Union and will be leaving

You are totally correct in your statement, but then again, so is she. Scotland has emphatically and repeatedly made clear that our aspirations lie on a different trajectory to the wishes of our southern neighbours, both with regards membership of the EU and how we want to be governed. I have no desire whatsoever to stand in the way of Brexit or the Nasty Party in power for another 5 years if that is what you want, but I don't agree that my country should be forced to repeatedly live with the choices made by English voters, especially when they are consistently abhorrent to me and my countrymen. 

[RuamRudy]

6 minutes ago, Chazar said:

funny she didnt  have it last time

In 2010 they didn't even have 20%. What's your point?

[Nigel Garvie]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

........... I don't agree that my country should be forced to repeatedly live with the choices made by English voters, especially when they are consistently abhorrent to me and my countrymen. 

The choices made by English voters are indeed consistently abhorrent to me also. I no longer feel British in any way whatsoever. I am embarrassed when abroad to be associated with England, let alone the new Tory 3rd Reich. My falang friends in Thailand from all round the world extend their sympathies to me, some small consolation I suppose. 

[StreetCowboy]

2 hours ago, Bell1234 said:

Not a chance.. The SNP have blocked Boris on Brexit so expect the same serving back.

It was Boris that blocked Brexit.  We'sd have been out months ago if he and his mates had supported their leader.

[Caledonia Boy]

2 hours ago, baansgr said:

I wish they would give the English the vote to get rid of them, she can have her independence then

When? Oh! when? Will England have their own government and independence?

[RuamRudy]

This guy makes the case perfectly:

 

 

[LennyW]

Scotland already had a referendum - the result was to remain part of the UK.

 

Somebody else was recently asking for another referendum on Brexit....see how that turned out!

 

Support the Union, out of the EU....and the UK will be stronger together!

[Mattd]

And just how are Scotland going to fund their independence, defend their sovereign nation, fund their education, their police, pay off their slice of the National debt, build and maintain roads and infrastructure?

I'd give it months before bankruptcy.

 

[GalaxyMan]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

Believe Mel Gibson is a historian too then?

No, he's an antisemitic pig Australian.

[melvinmelvin]

47 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

You are totally correct in your statement, but then again, so is she. Scotland has emphatically and repeatedly made clear that our aspirations lie on a different trajectory to the wishes of our southern neighbours, both with regards membership of the EU and how we want to be governed. I have no desire whatsoever to stand in the way of Brexit or the Nasty Party in power for another 5 years if that is what you want, but I don't agree that my country should be forced to repeatedly live with the choices made by English voters, especially when they are consistently abhorrent to me and my countrymen. 

 

Don't disagree with you but as usual this coin, as other coins, has another side also.

 

For many it seems natural that Scotland is given a new opportunity re independence.

 

However, I would not surprised if UK is not prepared for such right now.

With the election result of yesterday's paper dropping a long and difficult process with the EU is ahead,

the position / role of NI may be set in motion.

Stability is normally fancied by politicians, kicking Scotland too in motion at this time will not improve

re stability.

Many will say

 

I would not be surprised if UK concludes to postpone the Scotland bit, if it formally surfaces,

until after Brexit is sorted, which may easily take 2-3 years.