Pattaya: It's official - Pattaya tourism down the pan, Chinese off to Vietnam and Indians the last hope

[Caldera]

How long until the Indians will discover Vietnam as well and follow suit?

 

[4MyEgo]

[madmen]

59 minutes ago, Caldera said:

How long until the Indians will discover Vietnam as well and follow suit?

 

Sure if there is a beach rd there with 200 available ladies. Indians are sex tourists so lets not pretend they are not

[Destiny1990]

2 hours ago, newnative said:

 As usual clueless.  The hotel numbers are down because lots of tourists are now staying illegally in condos.  And likely to get worse as a number of mega condo projects that will be instant hotels are just opening, being built or in the pipeline.

Bars empty , condos empty, restaurants empty,  and or 40% down with last year  but airbnb is booming? Again ur clueless conclusions don’t make any sense !

Edited December 14, 2019 by Destiny1990

[madmen]

9 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

Bars empty , condos empty, restaurants empty,  and or 40% down with last year  but airbnb is booming? Again ur clueless conclusions don’t make any sense !

There is no proof its 40 % down. Please show a link thats not an "opinion" or "Anecdotal"

Nope of course you cant so you are clueless if you fall for every opinion post, and you think that makes sense? 

[lemonjelly]

For what it has to offer, Thailand is no longer cheap. There must be cheaper places with aggressive immigration officers  and perilous minivan journeys somewhere out there.

[Mac98]

10 hours ago, HeyHeyHey said:

Can you point with finger on map to show where is the bad world economy?

 

The only economies going to toilet are Thailand, India, China

 

And funnily Thailand expect India and China to save them lol

 

Meanwhile Europe and US are doing well with some of the lowest unemployment in decades.

Yes, wonderful economy. Half the population of the U.S. has three jobs and still can't pay the rent.

[atyclb]

11 hours ago, HeyHeyHey said:

 

+ no rude holes behind a desk screaming

 

"you come too often!!!!"

"what you do here?"

"you want that sweet 345 THB for 10 hours of work job, riiight?"

 

Instead you can stay 3 years on tourist visa without even leaving the country

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by HeyHeyHey

 

more phillipines

 

 

[Destiny1990]

1 hour ago, madmen said:

There is no proof its 40 % down. Please show a link thats not an "opinion" or "Anecdotal"

Nope of course you cant so you are clueless if you fall for every opinion post, and you think that makes sense? 

Ok u claim to be in Pats. So Go to ask  to a random condo developer ,bar girl,  a real estate agent, an restaurant owner, shop owner, taxi driver, beach chair rental guy ect ask them how their business has been.

btw don’t need to tell me the outcome because I already know their answers!

[newnative]

1 hour ago, madmen said:

There is no proof its 40 % down. Please show a link thats not an "opinion" or "Anecdotal"

Nope of course you cant so you are clueless if you fall for every opinion post, and you think that makes sense? 

   Good luck with that. He never backs up anything. The other day he said, "...in the last 5 years the resale units here have have lost 30% of their value". End quote.  No link, of course.  There's no doubt whatsoever that you can pick and choose and find condos that have lost value but certainly not all have lost 30% of their value these past 5 years.  I have sold at least 6 condos the past 5 years in Pattaya, all at a profit, including one this year, so none of mine lost 30%.  Guess he forgot to include me when he was doing his survey in his head.  

[newnative]

13 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

Ok u claim to be in Pats. So Go to ask  to a random condo developer ,bar girl,  a real estate agent, an restaurant owner, shop owner, taxi driver, beach chair rental guy ect ask them how their business has been.

btw don’t need to tell me the outcome because I already know their answers!

   And, you'll get random answers that apply to them, personally, but might not be applicable to Pattaya as a whole.  And, it works both ways.  If I'm your random pick to comment on being able to sell a condo at a profit, I'll say things are more challenging now than they were 9 years ago but I am still doing ok.  That's my random answer--valid for ME.  But,  you don't want to take a negative or a positive answer and decide it applies to all of Pattaya.   

[mercman24]

forget the cheap charlie indians, i have got 4 adult Russians just moved in to a 28 sq ft studio opposite my condo, and i bet one man is 200 kilos, doesnt leave much room for the other 3 he he

[Tops]

A guy I know just sold his hotel in Pattaya to an Indian investing company. He was fully booked since September having 8 rooms @ 800 THB/night. Every week he had to close one of the rooms for a day to get them having new paint. He rented them to Indians. 1 double or 2 single beds is good for at least 4 Indians in the room. No smoking in his hotel, Indians never cared about that, they were smoking everywhere. International breakfast @ 100 THB/person, well he fired his kitchen staff already in October. Indians never had any breakfast in his hotel. They had breakfast at the 7/11 that was 20 meters down the road. Taking all the $#!t to their rooms. The minibars were taken out of the rooms already in September. Towels vanished more than they were having guests. Indians spending 10,000 THB a day? Only in groups of 20 or more. According to the guy, the best Indian is a dead one. No he is not Thai but German !!!

Edited December 14, 2019 by Tops

[Thian]

13 hours ago, HeyHeyHey said:

Meanwhile Europe and US are doing well with some of the lowest unemployment in decades.

lowest unemployment and usage of automation the most of the world.

 

Unlike Thailand where 4-5 employee's do the job that one westerner would do.

[Thian]

9 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

don't think the world's economy is improved that much, still seeing foreigners here in Hua Hin sitting drinking in front of the 7/11's lol..

In Hua Hin i would do the same, i've never seen a better place to do so in that city. 

[cplgil]

Indians spend 10k per day? Does that include sharing ladyboys?

[Pattaya46]

15 hours ago, nev said:

16 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

Come back ??

To come back they [expats] would have to leave first,

and I see no reason why this should happen...??

Many have already left and not just from Pattaya up here in Khonkaen I know a lot who have left in the past year. //

How much is "many"? 10? 20?

How many expats in Thailand? More than 100'000 

Yes maybe a very few one have left,

but there are also new ones arriving 

On my condo floor an Australian recently bought to retire next year. 

[Number 6]

20 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The neighbors are trying harder and do not have governments cursed with extreme arrogance, xenophobia, fake nationalism, fake puritanism, hatred of foreigners and a tremendous lack of intelligence and vision.

You give Thailand's neighbors far, far too much credit. They are exactly as Thailand but in an earlier phase of economic development and necessity. The screws will tighten everywhere but the Philippines.

[justin case]

maybe they can make it even more difficult for us farang expats to reside here.. 

 

 

[Woolsgibb60]

22 hours ago, trainman34014 said:

Nice when a Thai actually comes out and tells the truth.   I'm sure he will be arrested and taken for 'Attitude Adjustment !

It's just not just the high baht it everything about this country if £ go up what make u think the tourist will come back rate up in thailand will be up everywhere  thai think rate up and they will come pouring back to thailand ?

[spidermike007]

18 hours ago, GeorgeCross said:

 

hahahaha are you for real??

 

Cambodia - Hun Sen

Phillipines - Rodrigo Duterte

and let us not forget..

the Communist Party of Vietnam

 

yeah they are a bundle of laughs that lot 

 

 

Well, the PI is a story unto it's own, but no doubt Cambodia and Vietnam are making alot more effort right now to attract tourism, than Thailand. And even with those despot leaders, they are doing a better job. That alone says an awful lot about Prayuth's level of incompetence.

[GeorgeCross]

10 hours ago, Thian said:

lowest unemployment and usage of automation the most of the world.

 

Unlike Thailand where 4-5 employee's do the job that one westerner would do.

 

what they don't tell us about that 98% employment rate is that only ~33% have what would traditionally be called a 'job' in the western world and pay taxes.. the other ~65% are in the grey economy or aren't looking for a job. that includes taxi drivers, noodle sellers, market sellers, sex workers, meth dealers(!), etc 

 

 

 

Edited December 15, 2019 by GeorgeCross

[Purdey]

Nice to see Indians coming in large groups of men to see the local culture and temples in Pattaya. This is what the country needs. 

[madmen]

15 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

Ok u claim to be in Pats. So Go to ask  to a random condo developer ,bar girl,  a real estate agent, an restaurant owner, shop owner, taxi driver, beach chair rental guy ect ask them how their business has been.

btw don’t need to tell me the outcome because I already know their answers!

Thats because the answers are always the same!! lol you obviously dont frequent nightlife in Pattaya but every year is bad . Porn the beer bar girl will always say ..hab no customer , no boom boom.. even though she is not able to sit from constant banging. Taxi drivers say hab no customer doah ! thats to get a sympathy tip

And you buy into this nonsense ? good for you

 

 

[Destiny1990]

1 hour ago, madmen said:

Thats because the answers are always the same!! lol you obviously dont frequent nightlife in Pattaya but every year is bad . Porn the beer bar girl will always say ..hab no customer , no boom boom.. even though she is not able to sit from constant banging. Taxi drivers say hab no customer doah ! thats to get a sympathy tip

And you buy into this nonsense ? good for you

 

 

Strolling around Soi Bukaw with dead bars and uncountable shophouses with for sale for rent signs and empty lsongteaws cruising  the town says enough!

[lootarzoon]

17 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

Ok u claim to be in Pats. So Go to ask  to a random condo developer ,bar girl,  a real estate agent, an restaurant owner, shop owner, taxi driver, beach chair rental guy ect ask them how their business has been.

btw don’t need to tell me the outcome because I already know their answers!

 

On 10/26/2019 at 6:25 PM, jollyhangmon said:

 

...  ... really?! Well, good luck with them ... 

 

On 11/26/2019 at 4:29 PM, justaphase said:

The only dangerous thing about Pattaya, or anywhere in Thailand for that matter are the drunk foreigners.

Koh amui down even worst, ask everyone and not the officials here ????

[GeorgeCross]

1 hour ago, lootarzoon said:

Koh samui down even worst, ask everyone and not the officials here ????

 

Koh Samui is so bad there is no-one left to make a 'Samui is dead' thread

 

 

[DaRoadrunner]

20 hours ago, Tops said:

A guy I know just sold his hotel in Pattaya to an Indian investing company. He was fully booked since September having 8 rooms @ 800 THB/night. Every week he had to close one of the rooms for a day to get them having new paint. He rented them to Indians. 1 double or 2 single beds is good for at least 4 Indians in the room. No smoking in his hotel, Indians never cared about that, they were smoking everywhere. International breakfast @ 100 THB/person, well he fired his kitchen staff already in October. Indians never had any breakfast in his hotel. They had breakfast at the 7/11 that was 20 meters down the road. Taking all the $#!t to their rooms. The minibars were taken out of the rooms already in September. Towels vanished more than they were having guests. Indians spending 10,000 THB a day? Only in groups of 20 or more. According to the guy, the best Indian is a dead one. No he is not Thai but German !!!

Sounds familiar to me. We used to say, shake hands with an Indian and then count to see if you still have all your fingers. They would buy a car from us, then come the day of delivery refuse to take it unless we gave more discount.

 

If the Thais are counting on the Indians to save their tourism industry they are in for a rude shock. (That will teach them for not taking care of Western tourists and residents before)

Edited December 15, 2019 by Rimmer

[DaRoadrunner]

3 hours ago, GeorgeCross said:

 

Koh Samui is so bad there is no-one left to make a 'Samui is dead' thread

 

 

Does not stop them asking outrageous prices for property.... but is any selling?

[DaRoadrunner]

On 12/14/2019 at 3:37 PM, ChipButty said:

Phuket is not doing to well either not sure about Patong as I dont go there it seems here lots of the smaller resort places are empty

lets see if Thai logic prevails.... Not enough tourists, put up the prices.