Chiang Mai presently ‘most polluted city in world’

[Dazinoz]

4 minutes ago, Aussiepeter said:

Please spare me, all those CM expats who live in utter denial because they either can't afford to leave or have invested too much

Yet another assuming expert.

 

My brother is 74, lives in a rural area of Tamworth, Australia and has most of his life. Always good weight, never smoked, never drank, ate well and recently got cancer. Oh, maybe some of CMs pollution attached to emails I sent him.

 

I am sitting in my house in Mae Hia nd have a reading of 27.

[PowerKat]

10 hours ago, herwin1234 said:

The farmers did it and the PM and the Chinese, not me with my car and my motorcycle...

So your car and motorcycle are carbon neutral? The pollution would be helped year round if they bothered to create a proper public transport network and get the red trucks and Tuk tuks off the roads. By proper network I mean one that takes people far and wide and not just the current capatilist bus network they have, that basically ferries people between all the shopping malls in town and the airport. 

[Logosone]

37 minutes ago, Aussiepeter said:

Please spare me, all those CM expats who live in utter denial because they either can't afford to leave or have invested too much or like 'Logosone', say that this extreme pollution is only for "about two months a year" - what utter bilgewater ! I lived in Chiang Mai for over twenty-five years. From 2000 to 2007 I lived in Mae Hia and then, after building what I thought would be my last home, from 2008 to 2013 in Saraphi. The air in CM started getting really bad 20 years ago and got worse and worse until I finally had enough and took my Thai wife and child to Oz in 2013. It has only gotten worse in CM each year since then and now the air is heavily polluted past any sane world danger levels for about eight or nine months a year ! It started last year in August and it has now been filthy for seven months - my wife calls her family several times a week and "muang CM folk don't lie about it" - you "unbelievers" are in complete and total denial. I should know - I had to suffer four months of being driven eighty kilometres every day of the week for radio-therapy in Oz, in order to kill the cancer that had grown, unbeknown to me, in my larynx from breathing that xxxx every day for so many years. No amount of air purifiers or filters will save you from losing ten to fifteen years off your life expectancy. Want more proof ? Today, my wife called her uncle, who like her is a locksmith and has owned and run the same locksmiths shop at the intersection of Wualai Road (walking street) and the canal for the last thirty years (I met my wife there over 20 years ago.) He has never smoked either, but he has cancer in his lungs/nasal passages, after being exposed to this filth all of his life. He is 55. Life is cheap in Asia.

 

Total horse manure.

 

I could easily leave Chiang Mai, but it's the last thing I'd want to do. Leave the best city in Thailand, with a French bakery that is as good as Paris, a French butcher as good as you'd find London, a host of superb massage spas taught by the finest massage colleges in Thailand? To say nothing of the choice of restaurants, Taiwanese, French, German, Italian, American, Dutch, Mexican, Japanese, Korean, Thai, Chinese, at very cheap prices. Cheap and reliable super fast internet. A huge choice of supermarkets, some geared at expats selling French, Italian, Spanish, German, American, New Zealand, Australian, UAE, Japanese, Korean and Thai products? 

 

Then all the attractions geared at tourists, Cafes where you can do archery. Tiger cub parks. Night Safari. 5 world class equestrian centres. Trex Waterpark. An ice skating rink

 

You don't get that in Melbourne do you? I thank my lucky stars I don't have to live in Australia, the end of the world.

 

And to blame cancer on bad air is just ludicrous. Where's the evidence the bad air causes cancer? Cancer happens, and it happens everywhere, including Australia.

 

I'm in no way an 'unbeliever'. You only believe where you do not 'know'. I know the air is bad now. I equally know in November the air is supa fine and has no issues at all.

 

So spare me the Ozzie horse manure.

[Dogmatix]

How sad. Pollution caused by burning was already a problem in Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai when I first visited 30 years ago.  They spend decades twiddling their thumbs doing nothing about the problem.  Now it is much worse and can't be glossed over.  So the tourist industry has to suffer permanent damage, not just in the North but many tourists will not come to Thailand at all because of this.  That is not to mention the damage to the environment and the health of local people.  Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

[Dogmatix]

Thailand - hub of pollution.

[Logosone]

1 hour ago, Dogmatix said:

How sad. Pollution caused by burning was already a problem in Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai when I first visited 30 years ago.  They spend decades twiddling their thumbs doing nothing about the problem.  Now it is much worse and can't be glossed over.  So the tourist industry has to suffer permanent damage, not just in the North but many tourists will not come to Thailand at all because of this.  That is not to mention the damage to the environment and the health of local people.  Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

 

That'll be why you can hardly walk through the night-market from 5.30 pm because of all the hordes of tourists who are not visiting.

[jamesmith]

I live in Doisaket, from my window, I can see the mountain is burning now

 

[Venom]

7 hours ago, jamesmith said:

I live in Doisaket, from my window, I can see the mountain is burning now

 

Same in Hua Hin they burn all night. Woke up to 2.5 PM of 166 aqi this morning. Thailand has three seasons, burn, burn and burn some more. 

[UbonThani]

11 hours ago, Logosone said:

 

Total horse manure.

 

I could easily leave Chiang Mai, but it's the last thing I'd want to do. Leave the best city in Thailand, with a French bakery that is as good as Paris, a French butcher as good as you'd find London, a host of superb massage spas taught by the finest massage colleges in Thailand? To say nothing of the choice of restaurants, Taiwanese, French, German, Italian, American, Dutch, Mexican, Japanese, Korean, Thai, Chinese, at very cheap prices. Cheap and reliable super fast internet. A huge choice of supermarkets, some geared at expats selling French, Italian, Spanish, German, American, New Zealand, Australian, UAE, Japanese, Korean and Thai products? 

 

Then all the attractions geared at tourists, Cafes where you can do archery. Tiger cub parks. Night Safari. 5 world class equestrian centres. Trex Waterpark. An ice skating rink

 

You don't get that in Melbourne do you? I thank my lucky stars I don't have to live in Australia, the end of the world.

 

And to blame cancer on bad air is just ludicrous. Where's the evidence the bad air causes cancer? Cancer happens, and it happens everywhere, including Australia.

 

I'm in no way an 'unbeliever'. You only believe where you do not 'know'. I know the air is bad now. I equally know in November the air is supa fine and has no issues at all.

 

So spare me the Ozzie horse manure.

Of course bad air causes cancer ie smoking. Google it.

 

It seems all you do is eat.

[UbonThani]

 The air we breathe is filled with cancer-causing substances,” said Kurt Straif, PhD, head of the IARC Monographs Section. “Outdoor air pollution is not only a major environmental risk to health in general, it is the most important environmental cancer killer due to the large number of people exposed.”

[Cheesekraft]

12 hours ago, Logosone said:

 

Total horse manure.

 

I could easily leave Chiang Mai, but it's the last thing I'd want to do. Leave the best city in Thailand, with a French bakery that is as good as Paris, a French butcher as good as you'd find London, a host of superb massage spas taught by the finest massage colleges in Thailand? To say nothing of the choice of restaurants, Taiwanese, French, German, Italian, American, Dutch, Mexican, Japanese, Korean, Thai, Chinese, at very cheap prices. Cheap and reliable super fast internet. A huge choice of supermarkets, some geared at expats selling French, Italian, Spanish, German, American, New Zealand, Australian, UAE, Japanese, Korean and Thai products? 

 

Then all the attractions geared at tourists, Cafes where you can do archery. Tiger cub parks. Night Safari. 5 world class equestrian centres. Trex Waterpark. An ice skating rink

 

You don't get that in Melbourne do you? I thank my lucky stars I don't have to live in Australia, the end of the world.

 

And to blame cancer on bad air is just ludicrous. Where's the evidence the bad air causes cancer? Cancer happens, and it happens everywhere, including Australia.

 

I'm in no way an 'unbeliever'. You only believe where you do not 'know'. I know the air is bad now. I equally know in November the air is supa fine and has no issues at all.

 

So spare me the Ozzie horse manure.

what bakery is it that you are referring to?

[roo860]

15 minutes ago, Cheesekraft said:

what bakery is it that you are referring to?

It's near the French butcher which is a good as any you would find in London, not Paris.

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[Venom]

2 hours ago, roo860 said:

It's near the French butcher which is a good as any you would find in London, not Paris.

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Kind of hard to eat wearing a gas mask! Enjoying the good life living in the the most polluted city on the planet. The bakery is to die for...???? 

[Nigel Garvie]

3 hours ago, UbonThani said:

 The air we breathe is filled with cancer-causing substances,” said Kurt Straif, PhD, head of the IARC Monographs Section. “Outdoor air pollution is not only a major environmental risk to health in general, it is the most important environmental cancer killer due to the large number of people exposed.”

Hmmm.........This is a very complicated matter. Cancer risk is increased by all sorts of things, but the root cause is mutations in DNA (Sometimes RNA) due to failures in the copying system. This copying system (And the associated repair mechanism) get less efficient as we grow older. The vast majority of mutations are harmless, but ones that inactivate the cell's self destruct mechanism (Apoptosis) are potentially deadly.

The effect of irritants like tobacco smoke, is well documented, they increase the risk, in the case of tobacco quite dramatically. Obesity is now also seen as a major risk factor.

    Many heavy smokers living in the worst possible conditions never get lung cancer. Non smoking shepherds living in the pure mountain air (The Alps for example) sometimes do. Genetic predisposition can play a big part. 

The argument which runs "My uncle and three of my mates........etc etc", is statistically illiterate.  

[Forza2002]

AQI very high again today. Looks like it's going to be just as bad as last year. .

[onlycw]

Environmental terrorists!

 

The ignorance and greed of these people is unbelievable!

 

They should try compoosting and enjoy free fertilier. And are they encroaching on public land when they burn trees?

[Forza2002]

[mike787]

This is the main reason people leave CM and do not return.

[Berkshire]

I think Mae Hong Son may have passed Chiang Mai today.

 

[Dazinoz]

37 minutes ago, Venom said:

Kind of hard to eat wearing a gas mask! Enjoying the good life living in the the most polluted city on the planet. The bakery is to die for...???? 

One of the ways the Corona Virus spreads is via breath. One of the ways idiots spread is via TVF.

[ICELANDMAN]

1 hour ago, Dazinoz said:

One of the ways the Corona Virus spreads is via breath. One of the ways idiots spread is via TVF.

I see that you are in complete denial, sorry but there is nothing we can do to help you

[Logosone]

3 hours ago, Venom said:

Kind of hard to eat wearing a gas mask! Enjoying the good life living in the the most polluted city on the planet. The bakery is to die for...???? 

 

My God what nincompoopery.

 

Last time I checked nobody's wearing gas masks in Chiang Mai. Nor indeed do most bother with any mask outside. Not everyone is made of light sugar particles that dissolve when a few microns of air hit them.

 

Even with the bad air, indoors the air quality is world class thanks to Dutch technology air filtering.

 

Even during bad air days I don't bother with a mask, and lo and behold I've not dropped dead from nose hair cancer nor do I need a respirator to survive.

 

And yes, the bakeries here are world class, better than most in Paris, the coffee is world class though perhaps Savini's in London is still a bit better, Anyway, pardon me as I have to go out sample one of the many top class restaurants. Looking forward to my massage from a beautiful northern thai girl later. The laps in the swimming pool were hard work earlier though.

 

Yah, it's real hell living in Chiang Mai....????

[Dazinoz]

2 hours ago, ICELANDMAN said:

I see that you are in complete denial, sorry but there is nothing we can do to help you

Actually I don't live near Da Nile, I live near Da Ping River.

[jackdd]

When I left the house today

[ICELANDMAN]

2 hours ago, jackdd said:

When I left the house today

Now 467 pm2.5 Chiang Rai what can go wrong

 

[Forza2002]

It was bad in San Kamphaeng earlier... I live 2km from the sensor reading at SK Hospital, lucky me...????????

 

[ChristianBlessing]

Ban Palan, near Ban Bosang, today at 10:00. 

[Isaanbiker]

If CM even beats Bombay, then there's something terribly wrong.

 

 

[Forza2002]

What is the inept CNX Governor doing about the pollution? Sweet Fanny Adams.... Plenty of lip service in front of reporters, cameras, but zero enforcement in lawless Thailand...

[marquis22]

On behalf of Nakhon Lampang I would like to enter a protest. We wish a retest as we feel we need recognition as ที่หนึ่ง

We may not have covid19, but we sure have a hell of a lotta smoke!!