Manditory face mask if outside

[lopburi3]

43 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Most of the masks people wear do not protect against much as they allow air in and out from the sides.

The basic idea is to restrict the amount of fluids expelled with a sneeze or cough and they do indeed greatly reduce that (so that one meter or more separation may prevent direct infection).  So if used with hand washing it can help a lot.  Probably not worth it for just protection but we can have virus without knowing so all need to wear masks to be most effective.  And that is from someone who hates them (since first experience in Northern Japan winters some 60 years ago - and at least in winter they help to keep you warm).

[gamesgplayemail]

On 5/8/2020 at 10:53 AM, gamesgplayemail said:

 

 

when i was an idiot i had the same kind of ideas about swimming pool.

why forcing people living in the condo where pool is located or even hotels customers to shower just before swimming ?

Because we do not know and do not wish to wonder if you took a shower in your room before swimming !

just shower in front of people and then everybody will feel safe ! People who do not understand this are plain idiots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

so true !

 

 

[yuyiinthesky]

10 hours ago, gamesgplayemail said:

when i was an idiot i had the same kind of ideas about swimming pool.

why forcing people living in the condo where pool is located or even hotels customers to shower just before swimming ?

 

I recommend to make sure there is a good sanitation system running, saltwater chlorinator, UV disinfection, Ozone, H2O2 or whatever. Otherwise all the showering will not prevent you from enjoying and sharing the <deleted> others bring in. 

(Only plain idiots think showering is enough.)

[Tony125]

On 5/13/2020 at 12:08 AM, yuyiinthesky said:

I recommend to make sure there is a good sanitation system running, saltwater chlorinator, UV disinfection, Ozone, H2O2 or whatever. Otherwise all the showering will not prevent you from enjoying and sharing the <deleted> others bring in. 

(Only plain idiots think showering is enough.)

There’s NO evidence coronavirus can be spread in swimming pools, CDC says

 

https://www.the-sun.com/news/855547/no-evidence-coronavirus-spread-swimming-pools-cdc/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly

[yuyiinthesky]

1 hour ago, Tony125 said:

There’s NO evidence coronavirus can be spread in swimming pools, CDC says

 

https://www.the-sun.com/news/855547/no-evidence-coronavirus-spread-swimming-pools-cdc/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly

Yes, you are absolutely right.
(My reply was not supposed to infer that, not at all. It was about focussing on the shower before going into the pool, which in my humble opionion is not sufficient if the pool sanitation system is not adequate.)

[Tony125]

Dr. Birx said there's 'clear scientific evidence' masks help.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dr-birx-said-theres-clear-214422543.html

[thaibeachlovers]

On 5/26/2020 at 3:19 AM, Tony125 said:

Dr. Birx said there's 'clear scientific evidence' masks help.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dr-birx-said-theres-clear-214422543.html

Seeing as you've posted that on 2 different threads I'll give you the same answer here. In NZ only 22 deaths and not compulsory to wear masks. Can stick masks and I'm not wearing one.

[yuyiinthesky]

On 5/25/2020 at 10:19 PM, Tony125 said:

Dr. Birx said there's 'clear scientific evidence' masks help.

She also promised to research the bleach injection and UV-light in body proposals of her boss, right when he made them, in the daily Cover briefing. (Astonishingly she could keep a calm face while doing so).

[Tony125]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seeing as you've posted that on 2 different threads I'll give you the same answer here. In NZ only 22 deaths and not compulsory to wear masks. Can stick masks and I'm not wearing one.

How about a face shield?  Plus I think you have closed borders (flights) so have no one coming in to bring the virus. Thailand is bringing in Thai from Saudi Arabi and  other areas that have  tested positive for Covid so masks and social didtancing are nescessary. In your remote area how many strangers have you seen that could  infect you with the virus?

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/lifestyle/are-face-shields-better-protection-against-covid-than-face-masks/vi-BB14Dvlh

[thaibeachlovers]

On 5/27/2020 at 9:22 PM, Tony125 said:

How about a face shield?  Plus I think you have closed borders (flights) so have no one coming in to bring the virus. Thailand is bringing in Thai from Saudi Arabi and  other areas that have  tested positive for Covid so masks and social didtancing are nescessary. In your remote area how many strangers have you seen that could  infect you with the virus?

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/lifestyle/are-face-shields-better-protection-against-covid-than-face-masks/vi-BB14Dvlh

Apparently people are still flying in, but have to do quarantine.

However, given there is no community spread now I'm happy not to wear a mask and things are virtually back to "normal" where I live.

[lopburi3]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Apparently people are still flying in, but have to do quarantine.

Currently it has been restricted to returning Thai and arranged by Thai Consulates with special paperwork.  They arrive to directly enter 14 days of state quarantine.

[Puccini]

On 5/27/2020 at 7:46 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Seeing as you've posted that on 2 different threads I'll give you the same answer here. In NZ only 22 deaths and not compulsory to wear masks. Can stick masks and I'm not wearing one.

Does your refusal to wear a mask mean that you do not mind if a person without a mask who may be infected with SARS-CoV-2 speaks or coughs in your direction from a short distance?

 

Source: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/27/science.abc6197

[Tony125]

Latest: June 12th Reuters News Report.

 

Masks significantly reduce infection risk, likely preventing thousands of COVID-19 cases -study

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/masks-significantly-reduce-infection-risk-likely-preventing-thousands-of-covid-19-cases-study/ar-BB15pqUv?li=BBnb7Kz

[jomtienisgood]

On 5/27/2020 at 12:46 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Seeing as you've posted that on 2 different threads I'll give you the same answer here. In NZ only 22 deaths and not compulsory to wear masks. Can stick masks and I'm not wearing one.

Ok 22. But how many sheep? 555555 LOL

[Puccini]

13 hours ago, Tony125 said:

Latest: June 12th Reuters News Report.

 

Masks significantly reduce infection risk, likely preventing thousands of COVID-19 cases -study

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/masks-significantly-reduce-infection-risk-likely-preventing-thousands-of-covid-19-cases-study/ar-BB15pqUv?li=BBnb7Kz

From the study mentioned in the Reuters news article to which Tony125 has kindly posted a link:

 

Quote

Identifying airborne transmission as the dominant route for the spread of COVID-19

...Our analysis reveals that the difference with and without mandated face covering represents the determinant in shaping the pandemic trends in the three epicenters. This protective measure alone significantly reduced the number of infections, that is, by over 78,000 in Italy from April 6 to May 9 and over 66,000 in New York City from April 17 to May 9. Other mitigation measures, such as social distancing implemented in the United States, are insufficient by themselves in protecting the public. We conclude that wearing of face masks in public corresponds to the most effective means to prevent interhuman transmission, and this inexpensive practice, in conjunction with simultaneous social distancing, quarantine, and contact tracing, represents the most likely fighting opportunity to stop the COVID-19 pandemic...

 Read full text of the published study: https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/06/10/2009637117

[Tony125]

On 6/14/2020 at 12:24 AM, Puccini said:

From the study mentioned in the Reuters news article to which Tony125 has kindly posted a link:

 

 Read full text of the published study: https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/06/10/2009637117

Fauci said US government held off promoting face masks because it knew shortages were so bad that even doctors couldn't get enough

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fauci-said-us-govt-held-154828784.html

 

Fact check: Cloth masks — homemade and not — do offer protection against COVID-19

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-cloth-masks-homemade-222429633.html

[Tony125]

Face masks: Why the guidance has changed so much, and how wearing masks can protect the economy

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/face-masks-why-the-guidance-has-changed-so-much-and-how-wearing-masks-can-protect-the-economy/ar-BB15Yg8R?li=BBnb7Kz

[Tony125]

Despite becoming a 'political issue,' new research shows effectiveness of masks in limiting spread of COVID-19

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/despite-becoming-a-political-issue-new-research-shows-effectiveness-of-masks-in-limiting-spread-of-covid-19/ar-BB1616Ib

 

According to data collected by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington, there is no question about the practicality of wearing masks when it comes to saving lives.

“Our conclusion from that — and it’s pretty consistent with what other studies are drawing as their conclusions — is that even with lower quality masks used in the general population, you can get a very substantial reduction in the transmission,”

[Maestro]

Removed a troll post (hoax) and the reply to it.

[JensenZ]

On 5/1/2020 at 4:43 PM, brewsterbudgen said:

No.  It's up to you.  Some stores and banks will require you to wear one but that's up to them.

I haven't been to a single store yet that does not require masks to be worn and temperatures to be taken. 

[drbeach]

On 7/1/2020 at 4:57 PM, JensenZ said:

I haven't been to a single store yet that does not require masks to be worn and temperatures to be taken. 

You must live in downtown Bangkok or somewhere like that then. Mom and pop stores certainly don't require either and 711s in my area don't take temperatures. And reportedly the only ones that do anyway are the busy ones in major cities.

[drbeach]

On 5/8/2020 at 6:19 AM, Number 6 said:

It's absolutely insane to require masks for people walking about on footpaths or alone / with family in some setting distanced from others. The only thing more inane is wearing masks in private cars.

 

It just goes to show how government ministers, officials don't understand how communicable disease spreads other than vd. The general population is entirely ignorant as well.

 

What's worse I think the virus is largely gone from Bangkok outside the more dicey slum areas.

Add to this the officials caught red handed in black market operations of masks.

 

I've said it for year's this emerging market is no longer emerging. There might be growth after Thailand sorts itself out in a few years but the education so lacking all it can do is borrow from the West. No innovation. New model:  Philippines.

 

Fines?! Is there an actual statutory law on the books covering masks and fines? Doubt. Just pocket money BiB.

 

There was never a blanket requirement to wear a mask when outside your own home and even back when you made this comment barely 50% of the people around me were, now it's even less. Then again, how could anyone enforce such an ordinance, or law or whatever you want to call it. You'd have to establish a totalitarian police state with complete surveillance in all public areas extending to rice fields and forests! A simply impossible task. Might be possible one day, but not for the foreseeable future. Thailand is an autocratically ruled country (like the Philippines) but it's far from a developed country. Keep in mind that since you made your comment many US states have followed with their own stringent mask laws.

 

My personal view is that the provinces that introduced a blanket law that seems to require masks worn anywhere in public, despite not being enforceable, are lacking in common sense OR (probably more likely when you think about it) want to control people as much as possible by stepping up the fear mongering as high as possible. And of course make some money off of the fines.

 

I fully agree with your sentiment, which is why I've avoided places where I'm required to wear a mask since late March. Now I'm going to more and more places and seeing fewer and fewer people wear masks. That said...I think it's only public transport operators and the big retailers which definitely require them, as they are in lock step with government policy.

 

My hunch is mask laws will remain to enter these stores and public places/use public transport as long as the emergency decree is in force, but will go as soon as it ends (probably after July 31). Same as seems to have happened in parts of China - some schools no longer require students to wear masks since June, though keep in mind schools have been back since early April.

 

One exception - airports and onboard aircraft. It seems likely that masks will be required on board most airlines worldwide until late August or possibly longer.

[mommysboy]

Sticking initially to the topic- I believe the risk of transmission when outside is very small, and the benefit to be had from wearing a mask is likely negligible.  Since the wearing of a mask is generally regarded as uncomfortable, it's use should be restricted to close contact and indoor situations.  It is by no means certain that face masks of the paper, disposable type offer any protection at all, as their main purpose is to prevent the user from spreading bacterial infection in the form of water droplets.  The only possible benefit is in possibly diffusing any violent expulsion of air, such as when sneezing, though in some cases this merely means a deflection to a side-stander rather than face to face.

 

I believe the main appeal of face masks is to provide the wearer with some illusory idea of control.  Supplementary aids to be considered might be a pocket full of posies, or a ring of roses.

[Tony125]

11 hours ago, mommysboy said:

Sticking initially to the topic- I believe the risk of transmission when outside is very small, and the benefit to be had from wearing a mask is likely negligible.  Since the wearing of a mask is generally regarded as uncomfortable, it's use should be restricted to close contact and indoor situations.  It is by no means certain that face masks of the paper, disposable type offer any protection at all, as their main purpose is to prevent the user from spreading bacterial infection in the form of water droplets.  The only possible benefit is in possibly diffusing any violent expulsion of air, such as when sneezing, though in some cases this merely means a deflection to a side-stander rather than face to face.

 

I believe the main appeal of face masks is to provide the wearer with some illusory idea of control.  Supplementary aids to be considered might be a pocket full of posies, or a ring of roses.

239 Experts With 1 Big Claim: The Coronavirus Is Airborne

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/239-experts-1-big-claim-151916602.html?.tsrc=notification-brknews

 

The coronavirus is finding new victims worldwide, in bars and restaurants, offices, markets and casinos, giving rise to frightening clusters of infection that increasingly confirm what many scientists have been saying for months: The virus lingers in the air indoors, infecting those nearby.

 

[Tony125]

On 7/5/2020 at 1:39 PM, mommysboy said:

Sticking initially to the topic- I believe the risk of transmission when outside is very small, and the benefit to be had from wearing a mask is likely negligible.  Since the wearing of a mask is generally regarded as uncomfortable, it's use should be restricted to close contact and indoor situations.  It is by no means certain that face masks of the paper, disposable type offer any protection at all, as their main purpose is to prevent the user from spreading bacterial infection in the form of water droplets.  The only possible benefit is in possibly diffusing any violent expulsion of air, such as when sneezing, though in some cases this merely means a deflection to a side-stander rather than face to face.

 

I believe the main appeal of face masks is to provide the wearer with some illusory idea of control.  Supplementary aids to be considered might be a pocket full of posies, or a ring of roses.

No, Face Coverings Don’t Cause Carbon Dioxide Poisoning. Five Mask Myths Debunked.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/no-face-coverings-dont-cause-carbon-dioxide-poisoning-five-mask-myths-debunked/ar-BB16uqsV?li=BBnb7Kz

[yuyiinthesky]

11 hours ago, Tony125 said:

No, Face Coverings Don’t Cause Carbon Dioxide Poisoning. Five Mask Myths Debunked.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/no-face-coverings-dont-cause-carbon-dioxide-poisoning-five-mask-myths-debunked/ar-BB16uqsV?li=BBnb7Kz

Not a very credible article. Shows only the first paragraphs, then shows a poll overlay, which doesn‘t go away, demands cookies to be permitted. Same effect as a paywall.

 

 

[yuyiinthesky]

On 7/5/2020 at 1:39 PM, mommysboy said:

I believe the main appeal of face masks is to provide the wearer with some illusory idea of control.  Supplementary aids to be considered might be a pocket full of posies, or a ring of roses.

That is my impression too.

 

And like religious sects they feel the urge to force their beliefs on everybody.

[Tony125]

Face Masks Protect You More From COVID Than You Thought, Doctors Say

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/face-masks-protect-you-more-from-covid-than-you-thought-doctors-say/ar-BB16ylTh?li=BBnba9O

[Tony125]

Vid on how to make a surgical mask fit better.

 

[yuyiinthesky]

I‘m so happy that there is no more SARS-CoV-2 in Thailand, so mask or no mask, regarding infections with SARS-CoV-2 the result is 100% the same.

Edited July 10, 2020 by yuyiinthesky