UK says PM's adviser did not break lockdown rules with 400 km drive

[jimmyswale]

Telegraph headline now Tories on the brink of civil war. Boris needs a grip and soon or the mutiny within his own ranks may cost him his head. 

[puipuitom]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quod_licet_Iovi,_non_licet_bovi

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi is a Latin phrase, literally "What is permissible for Jupiter is not permissible for a bull".

[evadgib]

1 minute ago, jimmyswale said:

Telegraph headline now Tories on the brink of civil war. Boris needs a grip and soon or the mutiny within his own ranks may cost him his head. 

Its a bank holiday weekend and half term (Parliament is closed all week/No PMQs) If this goes as tits-up as you'd have us believe Farage and his party will still deliver the holy grail...

[jimmyswale]

Time for a new slogan; 

 

Lock down MEANS Lock down. 

[Mavideol]

27 minutes ago, evadgib said:

the last bit was never in doubt & I couldn't help noticing you've mentioned having in laws (& presumably a wife/spouse) in another thread.

Don't bother replying; I'm not that interested other than to expose the hypocrisy.

as far as I know in laws or spouse's are not blood related or did you forgot your post #219 I don't for one second believe you don't have any blood relatives constituting 'family'

who's exposed now 555

Edited May 24, 2020 by Mavideol

[jimmyswale]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Its a bank holiday weekend and half term (Parliament is closed all week/No PMQs) If this goes as tits-up as you'd have us believe Farage and his party will still deliver the holy grail...

Farage is very happy now in his role as permanent ghat on the body politic. He's saying on his show now that Tory Whatapps groups are ringing to the sound of Cumming's must go and WHERE IS BORIS ?

[evadgib]

1 minute ago, jimmyswale said:

Time for a new slogan; 

 

Lock down MEANS Lock down. 

How about 'Gone with the Bluebells' (the virus & the lockdown combined!)

[evadgib]

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

as far as I know in laws or spouse's are not blood related or did you forgot your post, who's exposed now 555

You by the look of it.

 

[jimmyswale]

Cummings just been called into no 10 according to twitter. I imagine Boris will say we've had a great run old bean but it's for the best and we can still be friends but it's you or me and you know that just ain't a choice.Now sign here and here byee... 

[david555]

15m ago 
11:47

Dominic Cummings has entered Downing Street No 10 a short while ago, reportedly without answering questions about his alleged second trip up north and his attitude towards resigning.

Edited May 24, 2020 by david555

[7by7]

12 hours ago, kingdong said:

Like the farmers who wanted to import hundreds of untested eastern European fruit pickers when there were thousands of unemployed British workers looking for work,still they"probably "weren,t infected.

 

Not true.

 

From the Telegraph (hardly a PC, left wing, anti Tory rag!): Farmers forced to recruit thousands of East Europeans as British workers drop out of jobs "British farmers have prepared quarantine measures to continue to bring in EastEuropean labour"

 

From the Mail (another paper no one could accuse of being PC, left wing and anti Tory): First plane carrying 150 'critically important' Romanian fruit pickers who will join 'land army' battling to save Britain's harvest lands at Stansted "The young Romanians, a mix of men and women and all wearing face masks and gloves, filed out of the near empty airport in groups of five to comply with social distancing rules.

They were then transported by buses to a 7,000 hectare super farm in East Anglia ahead of the start of the picking season on Monday. 

The Romanians are joining the fight to save the UK's harvest with the British 'land army', which was created to prevent crops being left rotting in fields. 

The Country Land & Business Association has said more than 30,000 people have signed up as volunteers, but that 80,000 workers are needed to ensure fruit and vegetables are picked on time, ready to feed the nation."

 

 

[jimmyswale]

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

 

Not true.

 

From the Telegraph (hardly a PC, left wing, anti Tory rag!): Farmers forced to recruit thousands of East Europeans as British workers drop out of jobs "British farmers have prepared quarantine measures to continue to bring in EastEuropean labour"

 

From the Mail (another paper no one could accuse of being PC, left wing and anti Tory): First plane carrying 150 'critically important' Romanian fruit pickers who will join 'land army' battling to save Britain's harvest lands at Stansted "The young Romanians, a mix of men and women and all wearing face masks and gloves, filed out of the near empty airport in groups of five to comply with social distancing rules.

They were then transported by buses to a 7,000 hectare super farm in East Anglia ahead of the start of the picking season on Monday. 

The Romanians are joining the fight to save the UK's harvest with the British 'land army', which was created to prevent crops being left rotting in fields. 

The Country Land & Business Association has said more than 30,000 people have signed up as volunteers, but that 80,000 workers are needed to ensure fruit and vegetables are picked on time, ready to feed the nation."

 

 

This was sanctioned by BJ's Brexit government. 

[Chelseafan]

2 hours ago, cleopatra2 said:

Yes

Dominic Cummings was involved in designing the guidelines and rules 

At no point publicly has he objected to them.

The guidelines was widely interpreted that the isolation period meant staying at your current location and prohibited travelling to another property.

It now appears that Dominic wishes to re interpret the guidelines to appease his actions.

 

I'm not defending his actions. In fact I can't stand the man. I'm just asking if the punishment fits the 'crime'.

If we all screwed up then none of us would have a job. Public shame him and hope he has learnt his lesson and move on.

 

There are bigger things in the world to worry about than this garbage.

 

 

 

[evadgib]

14 minutes ago, jimmyswale said:

Cummings just been called into no 10 according to twitter. I imagine Boris will say we've had a great run old bean but it's for the best and we can still be friends but it's you or me and you know that just ain't a choice.Now sign here and here byee... 

That'll be like Orville sacking Keith Harris ????

 

If Boris capitulates to sacking by media his Govt will be no better than Teresa Mays after the 2017 GE. If that's where this is going bring on PR before the next election.

Edited May 24, 2020 by evadgib

[7by7]

11 hours ago, sungod said:

17 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

As I asked earlier, why did Cummings and his wife break self isolation; could Cummings' sister not travel to London to collect the child?

Ah, OK, now you are suggesting that in special cases its OK to 'break' the lock down rules.

 

Thanks for the clarification.

 The post from which you have made your edited quote was a direct response to a post of Vinny41:

17 hours ago, 7by7 said:

17 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Here is what was stated on March 24

Within 24 hours, Dr Jenny Harries, the deputy chief medical officer for England, outlined possible exceptions to that rule, including how ill parents with a small child created “exceptional circumstances”.

At the Downing Street press conference on March 24 Dr Harries said parents who are ill and may not be able to look after a child created “exceptional circumstances” where family members could be called upon to help.

 "Family members could be called upon to help."

 

Not "Infected people can break self isolation and make a 500 mile round trip."

 

As I asked earlier, why did Cummings and his wife break self isolation; could Cummings' sister not travel to London to collect the child?

 

So I suggest you direct your comment/question to him.

 

BTW: forum rules: 

Quote

16) You will not make changes to quoted material from other members posts, except for purposes of shortening the quoted post. This cannot be done in such a manner that it alters the context of the original post.

(7by7 emphasis)

 

[david555]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

That'll be like Orville sacking Keith Harris ????

 

If Boris heads in that direction his Govt will be on par with Teresa Mays after the 2017 GE.

????…… ????

[jimmyswale]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

That'll be like Orville sacking Keith Harris ????

 

If Boris heads in that direction his Govt will be on par with Teresa Mays after the 2017 GE.

Oh dear that bad that quick then. Problem is he is wounded from the virus , obese and a new parent with a young fiance at the helm of the worse crisis since WW2 what could possibly go wrong. He may get DC to abjectly apologise and seek contrition as a middle way. 

[stevenl]

17 minutes ago, jimmyswale said:

Cummings just been called into no 10 according to twitter. I imagine Boris will say we've had a great run old bean but it's for the best and we can still be friends but it's you or me and you know that just ain't a choice.Now sign here and here byee... 

If he gets the sack you'll see the posters here defending him change their tune in an instant.

[jimmyswale]

Just now, stevenl said:

If he gets the sack you'll see the posters here defending him change their tune in an instant.

'Family values' don't sit well with a Johnstonian government.  

[stevenl]

14 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

I'm not defending his actions. In fact I can't stand the man. I'm just asking if the punishment fits the 'crime'.

If we all screwed up then none of us would have a job. Public shame him and hope he has learnt his lesson and move on.

 

There are bigger things in the world to worry about than this garbage.

 

 

 

I might agree with you if he would have come out straight away with the truth about both/all 3 trips and would have publicly admitted guilt and apologised.

Imo too late for that now.

[david555]

5 minutes ago, jimmyswale said:

Oh dear that bad that quick then. Problem is he is wounded from the virus , obese and a new parent with a young fiance at the helm of the worse crisis since WW2 what could possibly go wrong. He may get DC to abjectly apologise and seek contrition as a middle way. 

Joe Pike

 

✔ @joepike

I am fascinated at Labour's strategy throughout the Cummings crisis: to hold back.

They've NOT called for DC to be sacked (although do want investigation).@Keir_Starmer hasn't said a word.

Heeding Napoleon's advice to avoid interrupting your enemy when he's making a mistake?

 

 

555555 !!

5:36 PM - May 24, 2020

 

 

[evadgib]

9 minutes ago, jimmyswale said:

Oh dear that bad that quick then. Problem is he is wounded from the virus , obese and a new parent with a young fiance at the helm of the worse crisis since WW2 what could possibly go wrong. He may get DC to abjectly apologise and seek contrition as a middle way. 

It would have been much worse if Catweasel had got in.

[evadgib]

3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Not that you would ever do such a thing; you merely make remarks like "As you still haven't grasped why the 'right-said-freds' ("I'm-still-waiting-for..." set to their familiar tune) aren't popping up via MSM further debate in your direction is a complete waste of time.

Try sticking me on ignore instead." (See here)

 

More extreme examples, like the one where you implied I was too stupid to understand you, have been removed by the mods.

Confirmation (if any was needed) that you have them on speed dial 

[AgMech Cowboy]

Much ado about nothing.

[7by7]

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

<snip>

Noticeably the left wing media like The Guardian who are so outraged, are completely ignoring the trip made by Stephen Kinnock MP to see is millionaire parents, the retired former career politicians and leading socialists. How sporting of them!

 

From The Guardian 29th March: Stephen Kinnock targeted by police for visiting father, Neil

[7by7]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Patel's son?

 

Or Abbot's. 

 

If the latter, Abbot was embarrassed when asked to justify his private schooling when she speaks out against private education. Her son then got himself arrested, I believe also charged for assaulting officers and there was some issue that if Labour had won, his mum would've likely been Home Secretary and might have swept it all under the carpet. He pleaded guilty as was due to be sentenced early April. He has been charged in court before with serious offense. All very strange has he is a Cambridge graduate and was working as a diplomat. Interesting reading.

 

So Abbot's son was arrested, charged and pleaded guilty to breaking the law.

 

How does that justify Cummings' defenders saying he should be excused when he breaks the law?

[jimmyswale]

27 minutes ago, evadgib said:

It would have been much worse if Catweasel had got in.

Done and dusted  , gone  the Tories need to stand on their own right feets now. 

[sungod]

12 hours ago, sungod said:

18 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Scotland has different rules to England; indeed all the four nations of the UK have their own rules regarding Covid 19.

 

Neither London nor Durham are in Scotland, they are both in England. If Cummings went from London to Durham via any part of Scotland, then he travelled a lot more than 260 miles!

Remote working in Scotland remains the default, they are encouraging people to stay at home.

 

"Iain Stewart, who is one of those leading the charge in Orkney’s fight against the virus, and encourages residents to avoid nonessential travel.............."

 

Just wondered how many on hear would consider these trips to and from the mainland unnecessary when he has a perfectly good place to stay on Orkney?

Still waiting for a reply on this one me old mate.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, evadgib said:

Since when has sacking-by-media been the norm & how did it not apply when Abbacus bailed her son out etc?

At least since the time of Profumo.

 

 

[jimmyswale]

My money's on Johnson resigning 'for health reasons' in the not too distant future. Talk of Gove is on manoeuvres.