Trump vows to end protests; tear gas fired on protesters near White House

[shdmn]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I find your post odd. 

It's in the vein of regarding 45 as just another president with normal pros and cons as any president. 

 

No! 

 

There is nothing normal about this man and his presidency. 

 

His rule has resulted in massive damage to both domestic American society and international relations. 

 

Some may take generations to repair. Some may be permanent. 

 

So you want something positive about him? 

 

How about something like the trains are running on time? 

He has probably being trying to defund what little assistance Amtrak may still get to try build that stupid wall of his.  Or at least defund whatever gov't agency oversees and regulates them.  So sadly no, not even that.

Edited June 4, 2020 by shdmn

[Logosone]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

 

No! 

 

There is nothing normal about this man and his presidency. 

 

His rule has resulted in massive damage to both domestic American society and international relations. 

 

 

The only thing that has caused massive damage to American society is the orgy of mayhem, burning, vandalism and destruction perpetrated by the Antifa far left activists who have hijacked legitimate protests.

 

Anyone who supports Antifa vandalism needs to look in the mirror when they talk about "damage".

[spidermike007]

15 hours ago, Jingthing said:

He should.

But he won't.

If he loses he goes to prison.

He won't leave voluntarily if he loses. He has nothing to lose by trying to hang on. He's already set it up to label the election rigged.

He's obviously grooming some generals to fight for him.

People in the world looking for a model for democracy have already learned not to look to the USA.

If he isn't somehow removed, this is the end of American democracy.

I not only blame him but all the complicit ones, his fans, almost all the elected republican officials most of whom know what a disaster he is but live in fear of his mean tweets.

This is truly sick. One bizarre demagogue taking down a once great country.

None of your statements could be argued with, except the one where he goes to prison. No doubt he has committed multiple felonies, including many instances of bank fraud, which is felonious. But, does the political will exist in the US to convict and sentence an ex-president to prison time? It has never been done before, and many argue it will never happen. I and many millions of others would love to see it happen. But would it? Could it? I have my doubts. 

 

 

[Jingthing]

16 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

None of your statements could be argued with, except the one where he goes to prison. No doubt he has committed multiple felonies, including many instances of bank fraud, which is felonious. But, does the political will exist in the US to convict and sentence an ex-president to prison time? It has never been done before, and many argue it will never happen. I and many millions of others would love to see it happen. But would it? Could it? I have my doubts. 

 

 

Understood. 

But he would definitely be pursued that way and no longer have the protection of his high office which he has so outrageously defiled. 

[Jingthing]

18 minutes ago, Logosone said:

The only thing that has caused massive damage to American society is the orgy of mayhem, burning, vandalism and destruction perpetrated by the Antifa far left activists who have hijacked legitimate protests.

 

Anyone who supports Antifa vandalism needs to look in the mirror when they talk about "damage".

Pure propaganda.

Classic boogeyman deflecting. 

Nothing to be taken seriously with that though of course the 45 bubble will eat it up. 

[Jingthing]

21 minutes ago, shdmn said:

He has probably being trying to defund what little assistance Amtrak may still get to try build that stupid wall of his.  Or at least defund whatever gov't agency oversees and regulates them.  So sadly no, not even that.

Yes but that comment wasn't meant to be taken literally. 

It was actually a cheeky historical allusion. 

 

[Phoenix Rising]

LOL, the Warrior-in-Chief!

 

'Trump claims he went to bunker for 'inspection' amid violent protests'

 

Good to know that all can sleep peacefully in the knowledge that in the WH roams such an alpha tiger president!

Edited June 4, 2020 by Phoenix Rising

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

See libs can't wrap their heads around what you just said as being true.

See Trump's base can't wrap their heads around the fact that there is a difference between reality TV and reality.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

The only thing that has caused massive damage to American society is the orgy of mayhem, burning, vandalism and destruction perpetrated by the Antifa far left activists who have hijacked legitimate protests.

 

Anyone who supports Antifa vandalism needs to look in the mirror when they talk about "damage".

Perhaps Antifa aspires to right-wing significance?

 

"Terrorists inspired by Nationalist and Right Wing ideology have killed about 10 times as many people as Left Wing terrorists since 1992. "   https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/08/21/which-ideology-has-inspired-the-most-murders-in-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil/#9ec7b7c1e74d

 

Or maybe Trump supporters are looking for a scapegoat/boogyman?

[RJRS1301]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

The only thing that has caused massive damage to American society is the orgy of mayhem, burning, vandalism and destruction perpetrated by the Antifa far left activists who have hijacked legitimate protests.

 

Anyone who supports Antifa vandalism needs to look in the mirror when they talk about "damage".

Oh no the USA has been in chaos for many years now, how many advisers, department heads, secretaries of whatever have been churned through. ? Include all the staff attached to those appointments and dismissals,  as well who have been affected. 

There has been no stability of governance long before this eruption of behaviours. Usually if a manger has churn of "top staff" of more than 5%, then it generally reflects on their ability to manage. 

America has had its image tarnished overseas, for many years.

This current situation is the chaos of inequality, racism, social dislocation and fundamentalism of many colours and shades, and inept leadership. 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

LOL, the Warrior-in-Chief!

 

'Trump claims he went to bunker for 'inspection' amid violent protests'

 

Good to know we can all sleep peacefully knowing that we have such an alpha tiger for president!

So now, if he inspects something it is wrong, do you actually think a few looters sent him to a bunker.......? ????

[transam]

2 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Oh no the USA has been in chaos for many years now, how many advisers, department heads, secretaries of whatever have been churned through. ? Include all the staff attached to those appointments and dismissals,  as well who have been affected. 

There has been no stability of governance long before this eruption of behaviours. Usually if a manger has churn of "top staff" of more than 5%, then it generally reflects on their ability to manage. 

America has had its image tarnished overseas, for many years.

This current situation is the chaos of inequality, racism, social dislocation and fundamentalism of many colours and shades, and inept leadership. 

Nothing to do with the populace then...?

[RJRS1301]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

Nothing to do with the populace then...?

Please explain what the role of the president should have been doing (leadership and governance comes to mind) in the years leading up to this, just over the past three years will do. 

Was it not the "populace" which has emboldened and endorsed, through the electoral system, the ineptitude of the "leader"?

 

Edited June 4, 2020 by RJRS1301

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, Logosone said:

The only thing that has caused massive damage to American society is the orgy of mayhem, burning, vandalism and destruction perpetrated by the Antifa far left activists who have hijacked legitimate protests.

 

Anyone who supports Antifa vandalism needs to look in the mirror when they talk about "damage".

And the right proves you wrong:

 

"Three Nevada men with ties to a loose movement of right-wing extremists advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government have been arrested on terrorism-related charges in what authorities say was a conspiracy to spark violence during recent protests in Las Vegas...."

 

"More recently, they sought to capitalize on protests over the death of George Floyd, a black man who died in Minneapolis after a white officer pressed his knee into his neck for several minutes even after he stopped moving and pleading for air, prosecutors said."

"The three men were arrested Saturday on the way to a protest in downtown Las Vegas after filling gas cans at a parking lot and making Molotov cocktails in glass bottles, according to a copy of the criminal complaint obtained by The Associated Press."   https://www.yahoo.com/news/prosecutors-3-arrested-terrorism-charges-222506357.html

[candide]

6 minutes ago, heybruce said:

And the right proves you wrong:

 

"Three Nevada men with ties to a loose movement of right-wing extremists advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government have been arrested on terrorism-related charges in what authorities say was a conspiracy to spark violence during recent protests in Las Vegas...."

 

"More recently, they sought to capitalize on protests over the death of George Floyd, a black man who died in Minneapolis after a white officer pressed his knee into his neck for several minutes even after he stopped moving and pleading for air, prosecutors said."

"The three men were arrested Saturday on the way to a protest in downtown Las Vegas after filling gas cans at a parking lot and making Molotov cocktails in glass bottles, according to a copy of the criminal complaint obtained by The Associated Press."   https://www.yahoo.com/news/prosecutors-3-arrested-terrorism-charges-222506357.html

Can we expect the president to call for designating rightwing extremists as terrorist organisations? ????

Edited June 4, 2020 by candide

[transam]

3 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Please explain what the role of the president should have been in the years leading up to this, just over the past three years will do. 

Was it not the "populace" which has emboldened and endorsed, through the electoral system, the ineptitude of the "leader"?

 

I see today the previous Prezzy, a coloured guy, has come out making statements for change, so why the flush did he do flush all when in the big chair.....?

 

The USA voted for what it wanted, the same as LA voted for a film star to govern that messed up.....USA stuff, vote for a bank account...

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, candide said:

Can we expect the president to call for designating rightwing extremists as terrorist organisations? ????

If they begin behaving like Antifa , then quite probably that would be the case

[candide]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

If they begin behaving like Antifa , then quite probably that would be the case

Begin?

[Phoenix Rising]

18 minutes ago, transam said:

I see today the previous Prezzy, a coloured guy, has come out making statements for change, so why the flush did he do flush all when in the big chair.....?

The "coloured" guy (nice choice of words, totally instinctive and unplanned, I'm sure) stood no chance. The type of systemic change we're talking about here can not be pushed through from above. It has to come from below through recognition that a problem exists and a willingness to do something about it.

One could hope that this time around things actually are going to change but based on the number of core trump supporters I seriously doubt it.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Phoenix Rising said:

The "coloured" guy (nice choice of words, totally instinctive and unplanned, I'm sure) stood no chance. The type of systemic change we're talking about here can not be pushed through from above. It has to come from below through recognition that a problem exists and a willingness to do something about it.

One could hope that this time around things actually are going to change but based on the number of core trump supporters I seriously doubt it.

The "coloured guy" thing was the PREZZY of the day was a coloured guy, so WHY NO CHANGE from a coloured guy...?

[Opl]

31 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

If they begin behaving like Antifa , then quite probably that would be the case

For you from Fox, (more palatable)

"Federal prosecutors say the three white men with U.S. military experience are accused of conspiring to carry out a plan that began in April in conjunction with protests to reopen businesses closed due to the coronavirus pandemic and later sought to capitalize on protests over the death of a Minneapolis man in police custody.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/boogaloo-suspects-accused-trying-to-incite-violence-george-floyd-protest-las-vegas-feds-say

Edited June 4, 2020 by Opl

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, Opl said:

For you from Fox, (more palatable)

"Federal prosecutors say the three white men with U.S. military experience are accused of conspiring to carry out a plan that began in April in conjunction with protests to reopen businesses closed due to the coronavirus pandemic and later sought to capitalize on protests over the death of a Minneapolis man in police custody.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/boogaloo-suspects-accused-trying-to-incite-violence-george-floyd-protest-las-vegas-feds-say

They were infiltered by the FBI, kept under surveillance and arrested .

 

[Opl]

5 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

They were infiltered by the FBI, kept under surveillance and arrested .

 

They were arrested on May 30 by an FBI-led anti-terrorist unit

You're welcome

Edited June 4, 2020 by Opl

[RJRS1301]

41 minutes ago, transam said:

I see today the previous Prezzy, a coloured guy, has come out making statements for change, so why the flush did he do flush all when in the big chair.....?

 

The USA voted for what it wanted, the same as LA voted for a film star to govern that messed up.....USA stuff, vote for a bank account...

I am talking about the current situation, the current reality, because this did not happen on his watch, this may not have occurred to you.

The chaos is NOW not 3 years ago. 

[RJRS1301]

13 minutes ago, transam said:

The "coloured guy" thing was the PREZZY of the day was a coloured guy, so WHY NO CHANGE from a coloured guy...?

Why no change from a white guy??

This is current ineptitude on a massive scale, across the nation

[candide]

Obviously, his communications tactics don't work. A whole batch of new polls to confirm it.....

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Edited June 4, 2020 by candide

[GalaxyMan]

Trump is being excoriated by anyone and everyone that actually knows something, unlike the incel sycophants that drool over his every illucid, unAmerican uttering. And now this absolutely scathing op-ed by John Allen, president of the Brookings Institution, a retired U.S. Marine Corps 4-star general and former commander of the NATO International Security Assistance Force and U.S. Forces in Afghanistan.

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/03/trump-military-george-floyd-protests/

[RJRS1301]

17 minutes ago, GalaxyMan said:

Trump is being excoriated by anyone and everyone that actually knows something, unlike the incel sycophants that drool over his every illucid, unAmerican uttering. And now this absolutely scathing op-ed by John Allen, president of the Brookings Institution, a retired U.S. Marine Corps 4-star general and former commander of the NATO International Security Assistance Force and U.S. Forces in Afghanistan.

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/03/trump-military-george-floyd-protests/

Interesting essay.

 

[stevenl]

21 minutes ago, GalaxyMan said:

Trump is being excoriated by anyone and everyone that actually knows something, unlike the incel sycophants that drool over his every illucid, unAmerican uttering. And now this absolutely scathing op-ed by John Allen, president of the Brookings Institution, a retired U.S. Marine Corps 4-star general and former commander of the NATO International Security Assistance Force and U.S. Forces in Afghanistan.

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/03/trump-military-george-floyd-protests/

Many good things about that article. 

[riclag]

On 6/3/2020 at 3:08 PM, RJRS1301 said:

How terribly christian of this hypocrite. Does not even have the desc ency to notify the bishop of the church of the intention to purloin the building for photo-op. Carrying a bible was the crowning glory of tone deaf behaviours.

 

It’s the church of presidents ,It was set on fire by previously by protestors .

It’s 200 years old .With so much destruction going on he obviously was concerned.

There are  protests not all ,recently that have damaged historic sites

https://en.m.wikihpedia.org/wiki/St._John's_Episcopal_Church,_Lafayette_Square

https://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article/news/local/dc/st-johns-church-washington-dc-george-floyd-protest/65-6dc44732-8560-4179-91ca-0ad56b96e0c9

Edited June 4, 2020 by riclag