25 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Aaaaaaaand the 0.1% fishing waters. They really are in for the big wins now. 

For you Fritz zee negotiating is almost over.

8 hours ago, Phuketshrew said:

And who exactly elected this woman to head Europe ?

Each new president is nominated by the European Council and formally elected by the European Parliament, for a five-year term. In July 2019, the European Council nominated Ursula von der Leyen to succeed Jean-Claude Juncker, and she was elected the 13th president of the European Commission by the European Parliament on 16 July.

Let's face it Boris has screwed up on coronavirus.....sadly this has weakened him. He needs to grow a pair and hang tough. Our waters, our fishermen......let's bring fishing back to Britain.

3 hours ago, smedly said:

what demands ?

 

we want to trade, it is the EU that is demanding not the UK

 

you know the biggest joke of all - Scotland 

 

Trade with the EU 17%

Trade with the rest of the world 23%

Trade with the rest of the UK 70%

 

How about the rest of the UK demanding your waters and ultimate control of Scotland trade and laws if you leave the UK - that is just as ridiculous, almost as ridiculous as Scotland wanting to leave the UK

anyone just listen to Sturgeon just now about easing the lockdown in Scotland 

 

OMG what an absolute pile of sh ite - you'd need a 100page handbook and a 3 month college course to follow it all - it went on for nearly 30mins - it was like a comedy act

 

all just to be different from the British Government but actually the same lol

 

pure garbage 

15 minutes ago, smedly said:

anyone just listen to Sturgeon just now about easing the lockdown in Scotland 

 

OMG what an absolute pile of sh ite - you'd need a 100page handbook and a 3 month college course to follow it all - it went on for nearly 30mins - it was like a comedy act

 

all just to be different from the British Government but actually the same lol

 

While I am wholly confident that there is no government on this earth that would wish to emulate the jaw dropping levels of failure on every single COVID front that Johnson's cabinet of incompetence has been responsible for, the reality is much more prosaic than simply Scotland trying to 'be different'.

 

You see (and hold onto your ego here, it might take a bit of a reality check) you are not so important that we worry about you or consciously try to be different for the sake of it. In fact, while being shackled to you is definitely a source of great pain and negatively  impacts Scotland on so many fronts, our government doesn't look south before deciding what to do. 

 

That is why our COVID experience, while not great because of the delay in Westminster implementing lockdown, is so much better and our population suffered far fewer deaths than those poor souls in England who had Cummings et al showing blatant disregard for their welfare. 

10 hours ago, smedly said:

in other words you can leave but we own you and your fishing waters

 

never heard anything so ridiculous 

No country nor Union of countries will give unlimited access to their markets to another nation, who insitst to produce on a complete different "playing field".

Imagine the environmental precautions EU manufacturers have to take. Imagine, the UK demands ZERO precautions, so.. dump all your waste into the North Sea / the air, which also waves towards the Continent, the hack with all these costs. The same with animal welfare, labour regulations, factory/production decency.

And these 0,X% economic interest in the fishery ? The financial institutions into Frankfurt are a 100x more important.

Maybe too difficult for a Dominic Cummins addict ?

38 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

Let's face it Boris has screwed up on coronavirus.....sadly this has weakened him. He needs to grow a pair and hang tough. Our waters, our fishermen......let's bring fishing back to Britain.

Johnson screws up on everything he touches.   It's a dangerous thing to have a compulsive liar leading a high majority government at the best of times but these days it is so much worse.

 

To think for one moment he is capable of solving the fishing debacle is laughable, yet not at all funny.

4 hours ago, smedly said:

How about the rest of the UK demanding your waters and ultimate control of Scotland trade and laws if you leave the UK - that is just as ridiculous, almost as ridiculous as Scotland wanting to leave the UK

So ridiculous that every poll this year has shown the union is supported by a dwindling minority ????????????

 

 

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Actually less than 35% of registered UK voters voted to Remain in the corrupt little club.

 

Rookiescot always gets the Brexit results mixed and add those who didn't vote to his score.

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The UK will be free to make new trade deals all around the world

 

The EU already has trade deals. And till now the UK didn't show that it can do better.

 

Oh, I forgot about chlorinated chicken and hormone meat ????

 

10 hours ago, Phuketshrew said:

And who exactly elected this woman to head Europe ?

Time you learn something of the EU = Union of NATIONS. In a 50 years of membership it proves, many British still do not have an idea, how all works.

The president of the EU council, and in fact the only decision body in the EU =  Mr Michel. He is elected by the heads of government of the EU member states. As the UK is no longer a member, Boris os the mouth of Cummings has nothing the say here anymore.

The EU Commission, a kind of ministers, are appointed by their respective governments. The president of that commission is appounted by the combined heads of governments of all member states. As the UK is no member anymore, Dominic as brains of Johnson has nothing to say here anymore. So, Ursula is by far NOT to head Europe.

The third EU power organisation is the EU parliament, with members elected in the EU member states. As the UK is no longer a member, the British members are relieved from their seats, and sent back home.

 

Bye-the-way: who elected the members of the House of Lords, the advisors to the PM and other ministers, the governor of the Bank of England and of Scotland, the UK representative at the UN, Unctad, WHO, FAO, FIFA, Olympic committee, and many others ?  

9 hours ago, smedly said:

she was elected by MEP's - they got a voting paper with only one choice on it

This EU thing is just wrong on so many levels 

we will buy your produce just as we always have - it is called trading, if people in the UK don't want to buy your produce then tough, that is called free trading 

the European Council nominate the president of the Commission, the members of the EU parliament only can reject = have a "veto" right.

"free trading ": correct, inclusive the EU import duty in accordance with WTO-regulations, in this case "third counteries' like the UK. https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/taric_consultation.jsp?Lang=en. Same for imports into the UK.

For instance on cars: 10 %. Nissan happy.

Oh... and do not forget your Schengen visa...

3 hours ago, dunroaming said:

Truth is, time will tell, as it always does.  We can all rant and rave but Johnson, with his massive majority, can play this any way he wants to.  Did I say Johnson?  Of course I mean Dominic Cummings.

You quite rightly did say Johnson as Boris is the shop window whilst Dom is the goods inside. HTH

5 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

And most cars produced in the UK are for export.

What do you think is going to happen there?

Follow BMW-Mini... to Borne - NL. ( if their contract is prelonged, as.. all car manufacturers have too much production) , inclusive Nissan.

2 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Follow BMW-Mini... to Borne - NL. ( if their contract is prelonged, as.. all car manufacturers have too much production) , inclusive Nissan.

if their production went, so would their sales. I would not buy a Dutch produced mini or a Slovakian Defender. 

8 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Follow BMW-Mini... to Borne - NL. ( if their contract is prelonged, as.. all car manufacturers have too much production) , inclusive Nissan.

Nissan currently has 4% of the UK car market their thinking is they can increase their share of the UK car market in the event of no deal to 20% of the UK car market

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

1. The EU exports far more cars to the UK than the other way around (800,000 vs 2.3 million in 2017). Much the same with parts (4 Billion vs 11 Billion).

2. The UK will be free to make new trade deals all around the world to make up the shortfall, unlike the tired old EU which will have no additional trade deals. 

 

Both will lose out though, no question. Which is why the EU would be wise to sign a fair trade deal as the UK has requested.

 

They should forget the level playing field, it's not happening.

80% of the UK’s car production is exported, of which 54% goes to EU member states.

In 2017, the United Kingdom produced 1.75 million motor vehicles, exporting 800,000 of these within the European Union.
 

The other way around, less than 3 out of 10 cars made in the EU are exported (27.4%), with roughly one third of total exports heading to the UK (or 11.7% of total production).

 

Now given how reliant the UK car industry is on exports does raising the price of your product with a place where you export over half your cars to a good idea?

And only 11.7% of cars manufactured in the EU actually come to the UK. So which manufactures are going to be hit hardest by this? And as I already stated it will be the consumer who pays for increased price.

The UK ones or the EU ones?

Oh yeah. Its the UK ones. Did you guys not think this through or something? This was always going to happen.

10 hours ago, Phuketshrew said:

And who exactly elected this woman to head Europe ?

Sssh  secret  back room job.

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Actually less than 35% of registered UK voters voted to Remain in the corrupt little club.

 

And how many voted to leave?

 

7 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

80% of the UK’s car production is exported, of which 54% goes to EU member states.

In 2017, the United Kingdom produced 1.75 million motor vehicles, exporting 800,000 of these within the European Union.
 

The other way around, less than 3 out of 10 cars made in the EU are exported (27.4%), with roughly one third of total exports heading to the UK (or 11.7% of total production).

 

Now given how reliant the UK car industry is on exports does raising the price of your product with a place where you export over half your cars to a good idea?

And only 11.7% of cars manufactured in the EU actually come to the UK. So which manufactures are going to be hit hardest by this? And as I already stated it will be the consumer who pays for increased price.

The UK ones or the EU ones?

Oh yeah. Its the UK ones. Did you guys not think this through or something? This was always going to happen.

The 27 EU member states (EU27) produced 19.69 million motor vehicles in 2017 and exported 2.3 million of these to the United Kingdom − representing 82% of the UK’s motor vehicle import volume, worth €38 billion.

https://www.acea.be/news/article/automotive-trade-between-the-united-kingdom-and-its-main-eu-partners

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

The 27 EU member states (EU27) produced 19.69 million motor vehicles in 2017 and exported 2.3 million of these to the United Kingdom − representing 82% of the UK’s motor vehicle import volume, worth €38 billion.

https://www.acea.be/news/article/automotive-trade-between-the-united-kingdom-and-its-main-eu-partners

Yes so 82% of the people who want to buy a car are going to be paying more for it because of import taxes.

Its not the government who pays the increase in price it is you!

Did you guys not think this through?

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Yes so 82% of the people who want to buy a car are going to be paying more for it because of import taxes.

Its not the government who pays the increase in price it is you!

Did you guys not think this through?

They wouldn't pay any extra if the car is made in the UK 

10 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

So the other member states are not capitulating to the UK's demands?

How unreasonable of them.

Still no-one could have seen this coming could they?

Oh wait. About 48% of us did.

And the brexit vote was 52%,get over it jimmy krankie will grant you another independence vote then if successful will let Scotland rebuild hadrians wall and rejoin the eu who will pay for your free prescriptions and education,sassenachs lives matter.

4 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The 27 EU member states (EU27) produced 19.69 million motor vehicles in 2017 and exported 2.3 million of these to the United Kingdom − representing 82% of the UK’s motor vehicle import volume, worth €38 billion.

https://www.acea.be/news/article/automotive-trade-between-the-united-kingdom-and-its-main-eu-partners

Another example showing how much the UK needs the EU, and not the other way round. 

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

They wouldn't pay any extra if the car is made in the UK 

You just said that 82% isn’t made in the UK. 

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Yes so 82% of the people who want to buy a car are going to be paying more for it because of import taxes.

Its not the government who pays the increase in price it is you!

Did you guys not think this through?

Would think with the depression that's in the post that buying a new car won,t be very high on many  people's agenda.

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

They wouldn't pay any extra if the car is made in the UK 

By whom?

Yes domestic made cars will be the same price but what if you want to buy a BMW 3 series. Or an Audi. Or a Volkswagen. Or a SEAT. Or a Fiat. Or a Ferrari? The list is endless.

3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Would think with the depression that's in the post that buying a new car won,t be very high on many  people's agenda.

So you finally come to terms with the contraction in the economy that Brexit is going to cause.

Well done.

11 minutes ago, kingdong said:

And the brexit vote was 52%,get over it jimmy krankie will grant you another independence vote then if successful will let Scotland rebuild hadrians wall and rejoin the eu who will pay for your free prescriptions and education,sassenachs lives matter.

Use JonnyF's method of calculation and tell us how many voted to leave.

5 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

You just said that 82% isn’t made in the UK. 

These are the import figures for 2017 , In 2021 in the event of  no deal is someone going to pay 10% more for an EU car  than the equivalent car built in the Uk  I ssuspect the answer will be No

This is a problem for EU automotives companies down turn in volume of sales to China, possible 25%  tariffs on cars exported to the USA, The UK has always been the 3rd largest export market for cars from Europe