UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Another blinkered belief that the City of London relies solely on the EU for its existence. 

 

EU countries will buy the fish....if there's any left to spare. 

Blinkers? 

We all know who is wearing blinkers mate.

Indeed we know who is wearing a welding mask.

[nauseus]

33 minutes ago, david555 said:

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/30/city-london-must-face-brexit-hit-barnier-tells-finance-chiefs/

City of London must face Brexit hit, Barnier tells finance chiefs 
Mr Barnier said that UK demands in the ongoing trade negotiations were designed to protect the City and were doomed to fail 

By James Crisp, 
Brussels Correspondent 
30 June 2020 • 5:41pm 

British trade negotiators will fail in their efforts to insulate the City of London from the worst 
consequences of Brexit, Michel Barnier warned a meeting of finance chiefs on Tuesday. 
The EU’s chief negotiator said that British demands in the ongoing trade talks in Brussels were unacceptable and that UK plans to ditch EU financial regulation risked another crisis that could hurt the bloc. 

UK proposals would make it easy to continue to run EU businesses from London after the end of the transition period on December 31, he said, and prevent the EU from freezing UK financial services out of the Single Market at short notice. 

"I will be blunt. Its proposals are unacceptable,” he said as negotiations continued in the Belgian capital, “The UK is trying to keep as many Single Market benefits as it can.”
London remains Europe’s pre-eminent financial hub but that status is coveted by Paris, Amsterdam and Frankfurt, which hope to profit from Brexit. 

M. Barnier blubbing more and more these days. 

[tomacht8]

On 7/4/2020 at 3:08 PM, Loiner said:

 

1. And when we have extricated ourselves from the transition period and are setting our own rule, we might even resume importing our favourite Jaffa oranges from our friends in Israel. You forgot those, and that its all about our choice and our control.

 

2. Under EU rules, State Aid is in principle not allowed, although they tend to allow it for their favoured states and not the UK. (Lufthansa, British Steel). Why do you think the UK future State Aid Plan is now such a sticking point in the negotiations? The new UK will be more competitive than the over regulated and supported EU, which has never been part of the EU plan. 

 

3. That's an odd idea, as we all drink the same water in UK. Brexiteers are smarter than the recalcitrant Remainers because we have had that 47 years of experience and learning. What were the downtrodden EU people doing during that period - just taking the propaganda?

1. LOL

Brexiteers economy.

If the ignorance wasn't so sad, you could laugh at it.

The prices in Israel for Israeli oranges are higher than the prices for Spanish oranges in Europe. 1 KG Oranges in Israel costs 6.4 shackles. That's the equivalent of 1.66 Euros. 

In Europe, simple Spanish oranges cost 0.66 - 1.00 euros a kilo.

Real quality juice oranges around 1.25 Euros a kilo.

Your orange example with the "cheaper" shopping in Israel was a grab in the toilet bowl and shows your lack of information in detail.

 

BTW. Import price of oranges in the European Union from 2000 to 2019 

In US Dollar/Kilo.

2019	0,56
2018	0,79
2017	0,81
2016	0,89

 

The Prices have been falling since 2016.

 

Due to time constraints, I will save comments on points. 2 + 3.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Blinkers? 

We all know who is wearing blinkers mate.

Indeed we know who is wearing a welding mask.

Better than your ....................

 

[david555]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

It just sounded like you need one move all that cash about!

paper bills have no serious weight at 0.013 mm thickness 1 bill , serious print number on it makes the worth  , dont you know?? 

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, tomacht8 said:

1. LOL

Brexiteers economy.

If the ignorance wasn't so sad, you could laugh at it.

The prices in Israel for Israeli oranges are higher than the prices for Spanish oranges in Europe. 1 KG Oranges in Israel costs 6.4 shackles. That's the equivalent of 1.66 Euros. 

In Europe, simple Spanish oranges cost 0.66 - 1.00 euros a kilo.

Real quality juice oranges around 1.25 Euros a kilo.

Your orange example with the "cheaper" shopping in Israel was a grab in the toilet bowl and shows your lack of information in detail.

 

BTW. Import price of oranges in the European Union from 2000 to 2019 

In US Dollar/Kilo.

2019	0,56
2018	0,79
2017	0,81
2016	0,89

 

The Prices have been falling since 2016.

 

Due to time constraints, I will save comments on points. 2 + 3.

There have been some surprising price cuts in the EU since the UK referendum. Strange that, eh?

[david555]

9 minutes ago, nauseus said:

M. Barnier blubbing more and more these days. 

Maybe easier for Frost to understand ….. as like his boss Boris mumbles 

Edited July 5, 2020 by david555

[A1Str8]

Yeah right. The UK has been ready to quit for years, innit? ????????????

[tomacht8]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

There have been some surprising price cuts in the EU since the UK referendum. Strange that, eh?

The fall in prices for oranges has nothing to do with Brexit. Get smart and read if you're interested. In one sentence: Overproduction and the market power of the large retail chains are the reason. You can read everything on the website of the Spanish fruit cooperatives.

[HauptmannUK]

Don't really understand the bit about Jaffa oranges from Israel.  I like them and when in the UK I eat one every day. They are around £1.60 for four from our local Tesco. 

 

There is no such thing as an 'Australia Deal' - presumably WTO?

My cousin has a meat exporting business based in Shropshire employing 16 staff. Exporting premium quality fresh lamb, beef and venison. Almost all to the EU. He's done the numbers and reckons a no deal would add 25% to his prices in the EU (tariffs etc). That would result in a big drop in sales - likely put him out of business. He says he would need a sharp devaluation in GBP to save his business - maybe that's the government's plan? 

[transam]

6 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

The fall in prices for oranges has nothing to do with Brexit. Get smart and read if you're interested. In one sentence: Overproduction and the market power of the large retail chains are the reason. You can read everything on the website of the Spanish fruit cooperatives.

Is this the oranges thread........Oh good, I buy orange juice from Florida.....????

 

 

 

[nauseus]

27 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

The fall in prices for oranges has nothing to do with Brexit. Get smart and read if you're interested. In one sentence: Overproduction and the market power of the large retail chains are the reason. You can read everything on the website of the Spanish fruit cooperatives.

Read what? Smart posts have links.

 

As is the case for many other items, the UK will be free to set lower import duties than the EU for oranges, which could actually provide UK consumers with cheaper oranges from outside the EU.  

Edited July 5, 2020 by nauseus
added second para

[tomacht8]

10 minutes ago, transam said:

Is this the oranges thread........Oh good, I buy orange juice from Florida.....????

 

 

 

You can drink that with peace of mind, if bought in the EU, the product has passed the European food inspections and controls.

 

Operation Opson V, which Europol and Interpol carried out in 57 countries around the world between November and February, removed more than 10,000 tonnes of counterfeit food. In addition, there were a million liters of adulterated drinks removed with like artificially sugar-coated, inadmissible, suspected cancer color and flavor enhancerss.

 

BTW how far has the UK made progress in setting up its own food control institutions? 

[tomacht8]

21 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Read what? Smart posts have links.

 

As is the case for many other items, the UK will be free to set lower import duties than the EU for oranges, which could actually provide UK consumers with cheaper oranges from outside the EU.  

Yes, possible, but as your comrade Loiner unknowingly posted, Israeli oranges are more expensive in the country of origin than in the EU. The Brexiteers should then switch to Moroccan oranges. I am curious if the shopping advantages, which are in the penny range, will be passed on by the large retail chains.

 

Where are your links?

Edited July 5, 2020 by tomacht8

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

You can drink that with peace of mind, if bought in the EU, the product has passed the European food inspections and controls.

 

Operation Opson V, which Europol and Interpol carried out in 57 countries around the world between November and February, removed more than 10,000 tonnes of counterfeit food. In addition, there were a million liters of adulterated drinks removed with like artificially sugar-coated, inadmissible, suspected cancer color and flavor enhancerss.

 

BTW how far has the UK made progress in setting up its own food control institutions? 

The most recent authority is the FSA, since 2000.

[kingdong]

43 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

The fall in prices for oranges has nothing to do with Brexit. Get smart and read if you're interested. In one sentence: Overproduction and the market power of the large retail chains are the reason. You can read everything on the website of the Spanish fruit cooperatives.

orangres and lemons sang the bells of st Clements.

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Yes, possible, but as your comrade Loiner unknowingly posted, Israeli oranges are more expensive in the country of origin than in the EU. The Brexiteers should then switch to Moroccan oranges. I am curious if the shopping advantages, which are in the penny range, will be passed on by the large retail chains.

If the Israelis don't want to sell their oranges then that's up to them. Egyptian oranges (and tomatoes) are brilliant. Retail pricing is a different matter.

[tomacht8]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The most recent authority is the FSA, since 2000.

Sure, but there is a lot more work to do for the boys. Specialists don't grow on trees. and the whole thing costs the UK taxpayer something. The same goes for the missing 1000 vets. The UK must now organize and finance the costs that were previously shared by 28 countries in order to achieve synergy effects.

[tomacht8]

27 minutes ago, nauseus said:

If the Israelis don't want to sell their oranges then that's up to them. Egyptian oranges (and tomatoes) are brilliant. Retail pricing is a different matter.

And again ignorance of the market. Egypt runs the risk that the water is turned off. Then there will be no huge "cheap" oranges and tomatoes in abundance. The construction of the Renaissance dam has led to violent disputes between Ethiopia and Egypt and Sudan. Fortunately, food security and longterm supply for the UK is not in the hands of some posters here.

Edited July 5, 2020 by tomacht8

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

usually in France we don't like wasting time with all the BS & non sense, thus better be blunt and tell it the way it is.... UK wants to have same benefits as before but without having to pay for membership..... sounds good to me, would love that too 555

you and germany will be paying a lot more in contributions when the uk leaves and with the coming depression ( theres more to life than brexit) it,ll be a buyers market,how are the yellow jackets?

Edited July 5, 2020 by kingdong

[tomacht8]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

you and germany will be paying a lot more in contributions when uk and with the coming depression ( theres more to life than brexit) it,ll be a buyers market,how are the yellow jackets?

Yes.

We will all lose part of our prosperity.

The UK and the EU.

That's why Brexit is nonsense.

But the UK will bleed more than the EU.

[kingdong]

3 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Yes.

We will all lose part of our prosperity.

The UK and the EU.

That's why Brexit is nonsense.

But the UK will bleed more than the EU.

how long do you honestly think the eu will survive? its like something out of monty python,why can,t it produce a set of accounts?carry on its not going to last much longer,when did france last have a referendum regarding eu membership or dosen,t your government feel the peasants,sorry people could be trusted with a vote?

[david555]

3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

how long do you honestly think the eu will survive? its like something out of monty python,why can,t it produce a set of accounts?carry on its not going to last much longer,when did france last have a referendum regarding eu membership or dosen,t your government feel the peasants,sorry people could be trusted with a vote?

Referendums are most hold when a population asks for them …… like example Scotland Gov. now , but in France the demonstrators are not happy with their own Gov. plans , nothing about E.U. …..hence Scotland's asking for one is anyway  neglected …. Even when circumstances are totally different as before ,   Brexit was not the case then , hence they liked to stay in U.K. before  ….. but now …..

[Pattaya46]

6 minutes ago, kingdong said:

how long do you honestly think the eu will survive? its like something out of monty python,why can,t it produce a set of accounts?carry on its not going to last much longer,

Some UK people so sad to leave EU that they wish the end of EU to not be alone outside EU...  

 

6 minutes ago, kingdong said:

when did france last have a referendum regarding eu membership or dosen,t your government feel the peasants,sorry people could be trusted with a vote?

What's the point on having a referendum on questions that clearly are asked by only a tiny part of the population?

[MattMartini]

On 6/28/2020 at 5:40 AM, Susco said:

Yes because Australia does very well, looking at the value of their currency. NOT

Someone has no idea what they are talking about. Look at Australia's GDP per capita

[kingdong]

7 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

Some UK people so sad to leave EU that they wish the end of EU to not be alone outside EU...  

 

What's the point on having a referendum on questions that clearly are asked by only a tiny part of the population?

even rats know when to desert a sinking ship,and the big red bus answered all the questions.

[david555]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

even rats know when to desert a sinking ship,and the big red bus answered all the questions.

But...but.... still you want so many parts from  and access to that supposed sinking ship  ain't that stupid rats then ….????

As rats supposed to be clever critters....., maybe those rats you mean ….are maybe just ordinary  vultures ????

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

1. LOL

Brexiteers economy.

If the ignorance wasn't so sad, you could laugh at it.

The prices in Israel for Israeli oranges are higher than the prices for Spanish oranges in Europe. 1 KG Oranges in Israel costs 6.4 shackles. That's the equivalent of 1.66 Euros. 

In Europe, simple Spanish oranges cost 0.66 - 1.00 euros a kilo.

Real quality juice oranges around 1.25 Euros a kilo.

Your orange example with the "cheaper" shopping in Israel was a grab in the toilet bowl and shows your lack of information in detail.

 

BTW. Import price of oranges in the European Union from 2000 to 2019 

In US Dollar/Kilo.

2019	0,56
2018	0,79
2017	0,81
2016	0,89

 

The Prices have been falling since 2016.

 

Due to time constraints, I will save comments on points. 2 + 3.

You still forget that it’s all about our choice and our control. 

[kingdong]

35 minutes ago, david555 said:

But...but.... still you want so many parts from  and access to that supposed sinking ship  ain't that stupid rats then ….????

As rats supposed to be clever critters....., maybe those rats you mean ….are maybe just ordinary  vultures ????

sacre bleu

[tomacht8]

44 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You still forget that it’s all about our choice and our control. 

Of course.

The EU doesn't prescribe which oranges you have to eat. On the contrary, the range of goods in the delicatessen supermarkets is huge, products from all over the world.

 

But the Brexit fairy tale, which you can just swap all your grocery suppliers, and it can buy the previous goods in other countries in the same quality, free of tariffs, i.e. cheaper, is just not right if you look at the individual products in detail.

 

But the real problem with the Brexit UK is not in purchasing, but in sales. Over 50% of UK exports go to the EU. How new markets are to be found quickly for that trade volume is beyond me. Especially against the background that the UK still has no trade agreements. The UK clearly overestimates its negotiating position.