UK-born Islamic State recruit can return from Syria to challenge citizenship removal

[samran]

It’s funny reading this.
 

The usual suspects moaning about her anti Britishness attacking the fundamental British institution of independent courts upholding the law. 
 

 

[Orton Rd]

50 minutes ago, simple1 said:

It's odd with all the hatred of Muslims expressed by you, you wish to assist with an Islamist terrorist supporter's alleged ideological goal. 

I have never expressed hatred of Muslims, but i'm sure you could twist comments on Islam to make it appear so. When the UK is putting the interests of an Islamic terrorist before that of the safety of it's own citizens, and this criminal is currently not, then why not help he to her heavenly goal. With her gone the country is that bit safer.

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

I have never expressed hatred of Muslims, but i'm sure you could twist comments on Islam to make it appear so. When the UK is putting the interests of an Islamic terrorist before that of the safety of it's own citizens, and this criminal is currently not, then why not help he to her heavenly goal. With her gone the country is that bit safer.

If she’s a criminal, try her in an open court of law.

[sungod]

6 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

 

She was born in the UK. Raised in the UK. Went to school in the UK. Spent her whole life in the UK up to that point. She was radicalised in the UK. Something went wrong with her in the enviroment she grew up in the UK. 

 

 

Well, guess we can put that down to her parents, and the Labour controlled Borough she grew up in.

[CorpusChristie]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

Because she is not a bangladesh citizen. She has to apply for that and given she hasnt that means she is stateless. Which is against the law. Which is why its being appealed.

 

 

But She is a Bangladeshi National , which means she has a Country to live in and therefore isnt stateless 

[samran]

56 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

But She is a Bangladeshi National , which means she has a Country to live in and therefore isnt stateless 

Oh, are you a representative of the Bangladesh government now are you? Care to tell the minister of your update?  
 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/shamima-begum-bangladesh-citizenship-isis-bride-british-uk-javid-stateless-a8788976.html

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, samran said:

Oh, are you a representative of the Bangladesh government now are you? Care to tell the minister of your update?  
 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/shamima-begum-bangladesh-citizenship-isis-bride-british-uk-javid-stateless-a8788976.html

I do believe that you are born with Nationality and it doesnt need to be applied for .

Like, if you are born to a British parent you are automatically a British national .

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

I do believe that you are born with Nationality and it doesnt need to be applied for .

Like, if you are born to a British parent you are automatically a British national .

Bangladeshi authorities have stated she does not have Bangladeshi citizenship.

[samran]

21 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

I do believe that you are born with Nationality and it doesnt need to be applied for .

Like, if you are born to a British parent you are automatically a British national .

It must be wonderful living in a fact free world. Bangladesh has clearly stated she isn’t.

 

But you know.... cause you ‘believe’ it, it must be true. 

[Opl]

13 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

we are stuck with her for life

 

* family, kids, etc, all the smala 

[Opl]

6 hours ago, possum1931 said:

She may have been born in Britain, but she left to join a terrorist group, her and her kind are not wanted by the vast majority of British people.

she puts Sharia law above Magna Carta - so britiish

[Opl]

12 hours ago, nemo38 said:

What do you do when there are millions of them in the country already, with the law entrenching them, and anti free speech laws and conventions that stop you discussing the problem?

 

 

"During an official meeting on Islamic-Christian dialogue, an authoritative Muslim person, speaking to the Christians participating, at one point said very calmly and assuredly: "Thanks to your democratic laws we will invade you; thanks to our religious laws we will dominate you."

https://www.meforum.org/448/we-will-dominate-you

[NoshowJones]

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Name the places in the UK where Muslims wont "let the Police in" ?

You never answered my question, don't you ever read the UK newspapers?

[NoshowJones]

13 minutes ago, Opl said:

she puts Sharia law above Magna Carta - so britiish

Who's Magna Carta?

[riclag]

from across the pond, don't let this one get its foot in the door!

[katana]

Thousands got 'video conference' court cases during the Covid 19 lockdown in the UK. Were they denied a fair hearing?
PS Begum only wants to come back to the UK because ISIS was defeated and the Caliphate collapsed. If it had not, she would be quite happy to stay out there supporting it.

[CG1 Blue]

8 hours ago, Bob A Kneale said:

The decision was that she should be allowed back only for the judicial review of the decision of SIAC Special Immigration Appeals Commission, not that she should be allowed back permanently, or get her citizenship reinstated.

Maybe so, but once she gets here we all know she'll stay here for good, either in prison poisoning fellow inmates' minds, or being 'rehabilitated' among the community. Why do we need that added risk? 

[CG1 Blue]

7 hours ago, samran said:

There is a thing for that. Its called 'Prison'.

The trouble is the UK judicial system is too soft. Even if her lawyers don't manage to get her freed on some technicality (and it's quite possible they will), she'll end up with a short sentence, spread her ideology whilst inside, then come out into the public still a threat. We've seen this too many times over the past few years. 

 

This is why a lot of us would just prefer she is kept out of the UK - by whatever means. 

[CorpusChristie]

32 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

You never answered my question, don't you ever read the UK newspapers?

Quite often I read the Guardian UK newspaper, due to the numerous links posted on here  to that outlet 

[CorpusChristie]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If she’s a criminal, try her in an open court of law.

Not that simple , quite imposable to do .

Witnesses would need to come to the UK to testify against her .

Getting Syrian witnesses to get to the UK to appear in Court would be nigh on impossible 

[katana]

12 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

So we create a problem in the UK then we export that problem to a poorer country? Sounds very... colonial.

 

Personally speaking, in terms of the universality of the respect of human rights, Israel is definitely not a country I would wish the UK to emulate.

 

And let's not forget - she was born in Britain and is as British as the rest of us who were born there. 

She may well have actually been radicalised from abroad via the internet. But she was also radicalised...by her father...

 

Jihadi schoolgirl's dad took her to hate preacher's rally at 13: Shock admission by man who blamed police when girl fled to join ISIS
The flag-burning father of a runaway British jihadi schoolgirl yesterday admitted taking his daughter to an extremist rally when she was 13.
Abase Hussen – who blamed police for failing to stop his daughter fleeing to join IS earlier this year – conceded the teenager was ‘maybe’ influenced by the rally organised by banned terror group Al-Muhajiroun.
Continued https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3027035/Father-runaway-jihadi-schoolgirl-filmed-burning-flag-protest-admits-attending-says-took-daughter-demonstration-just-13.html

 

Father who blamed police for not stopping his daughter joining ISIS attended 2012 rally led by hate preacher Anjem Choudary and attended by Lee Rigby killer
Sensational footage has emerged showing the father of one of the three schoolgirl 'jihadi brides' at the head of an Islamist rally led by hate preacher Anjem Choudary and attended by Michael Adebowale, the killer of soldier Lee Rigby.
The video shows Abase Hussen marching at the front of the demonstrators, behind a banner reading: 'The followers of Mohammed will conquer America'.
Continued https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013703/Father-jihadi-bride-schoolgirl-attended-2012-Islamist-rally-attended-Lee-Rigby-s-killer-led-preacher-Anjem-Choudary.html

[evadgib]

Talkradio yesterday:

 

[candide]

2 hours ago, possum1931 said:

You never answered my question, don't you ever read the UK newspapers?

That's a trolling reply......

[torturedsole]

21 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Talkradio yesterday:

Absolutely shocking, beyond belief.  How did Paul Ross fall so far that he's on the 1-5am slot?

[torturedsole]

Can't we kick out Miatta Fahnbulleh as well.  What is the point of her?

[katana]

1 hour ago, torturedsole said:

Can't we kick out Miatta Fahnbulleh as well.  What is the point of her?

Did a quick Google search on her.
She's Chief Executive of the grandly titled New Economics Foundation. On their website, it states "We need to devolve state power and transform ownership of the economy to give us all an equal stake in the places where we live and work." and "The New Economics Foundation works with people igniting change from below and combines this with rigorous research to fight for change at the top."
Looking at their accounts page, one of the funders is George Soros' Open Society Foundations.
So you can see what angle she's coming from.
https://neweconomics.org/about/who-funds-us

[torturedsole]

1 hour ago, katana said:

Did a quick Google search on her.
She's Chief Executive of the grandly titled New Economics Foundation. On their website, it states "We need to devolve state power and transform ownership of the economy to give us all an equal stake in the places where we live and work." and "The New Economics Foundation works with people igniting change from below and combines this with rigorous research to fight for change at the top."
Looking at their accounts page, one of the funders is George Soros' Open Society Foundations.
So you can see what angle she's coming from.
https://neweconomics.org/about/who-funds-us

That's exactly why I didn't google Ms Fahnbulleh.  

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Not that simple , quite imposable to do .

Witnesses would need to come to the UK to testify against her .

Getting Syrian witnesses to get to the UK to appear in Court would be nigh on impossible 

It’s little more difficult than than that.

 

The prosecution would first have to convince the court that she had broken any UK law within the jurisdiction of a UK court.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, Opl said:

she puts Sharia law above Magna Carta - so britiish

Remind us, what did Magna Carta say about ‘Banishment’, Exile’ and the ‘Right to come and go without let or hinder’?

 

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s little more difficult than than that.

 

The prosecution would first have to convince the court that she had broken any UK law within the jurisdiction of a UK court.

So what you're saying is that it would be very hard to convict her if she was allowed to come back to the UK. 

That means she'd most likely be free to roam the streets of the UK. And in her state of mind she might decide to carry out (or help carry out) a terrorist attack on innocent people, possibly killing children in the UK. 

 

But at least we would be sticking with the law and adhering to human rights guidelines. Bravo. 

 

I hope you'll feel good about yourself if/when this happens.