90 Day Online Reporting situation as of 24 July 2020...totally confused now!

[WaveHunter]

17 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

Why would you see a verification? The 90 days reports if you didn't do them between March 26 and July 31, now have the same due date = August 31 (but without the 7 days grace period.) Just relax. 

You haven't read my posts, especially the last one I just posted.  Imm Bureau specifically stated that during the Amnesty period THEY would automatically update all 90 day reports on your behalf, and I just realized that is exactly what they did on mine, but in a sort of bizarre way.  None the less, it all happened without me filing anything.

Edited July 26, 2020 by WaveHunter

[WaveHunter]

1 minute ago, Max69xl said:

Why would you see a verification? The 90 days reports if you didn't do them between March 26 and July 31, now have the same due date = August 31 (but without the 7 days grace period.) Just relax. 

Not correct, I just found out they actually did update mine without any input from me.  In other words, they did just what they said they would do in the official InfoGraphic I posted before. 

 

The only problem is that they updated mine on 22 Apr, one month before my 30 May Deadline, so (unknown to me) it expired 20 July.  Perhaps they will do the same thing again with the amnesty extension.  If not, I guess I'll be paying a trip to the local Imm office.

 

I don't really care anymore; it's just needlessly confusing and bizarre how they handle all of this.

[Peter Denis]

7 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

You haven't read my posts, especially the last one I just posted.  Imm Bureau specifically stated that during the Amnesty period THEY would automatically update all 90 day reports on your behalf, and I just realized that is exactly what they did on mine, but in a sort of bizarre way.  None the less, it all happened without me filing anything.

Did you apply for the 1-year extension of stay based on your current Non Imm O Visa on 22 April?

Some offices now automatically update your 90-day report as 'done' on the date of your application for the 1-year extension of stay.

[Max69xl]

4 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

Wait a minute!!!!  In reference to my above post, I just realized that the Imm Bureau DID in fact automatically update my 90 day reporting on my behalf...but in a sort of bizarre way!!

 

Searching with my passport number instead of a reference number, I see that on 22 April, they automatically extended it to 24 July on my behalf.  Why they would do this over one month before my deadline of 30 May is confusing, but that's what they did, all without any input form me!  

 

So, maybe with the new amnesty extension, they will do the same thing, extending it automatically through September.  I guess I'll just have to monitor the website for changes during August and if nothing is updated or I can't do the update manually online, I'll be visiting the Imm office.

 

What a crazy system they have!

The system didn't anticipate automatic extensions because of the Coronavirus. This is the first time ever. I guess you don't know how the system works. 

[WaveHunter]

2 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Did you apply for the 1-year extension of stay based on your current Non Imm O Visa on 22 April?

Some offices now automatically update your 90-day report as 'done' on the date of your application for the 1-year extension of stay.

I don't think that is true at all.  Extension of stay and 90 day reporting are two completely different things.  Getting an renewed extension of stay does not reset the clock on 90 day reporting.

[Max69xl]

1 minute ago, WaveHunter said:

I don't think that is true at all.  Extension of stay and 90 day reporting are two completely different things.  Getting an renewed extension of stay does not reset the clock on 90 day reporting.

Some offices actually reset the clock. Right or wrong? Who cares? There's been posts about it recently. 

[WaveHunter]

1 minute ago, Max69xl said:

The system didn't anticipate automatic extensions because of the Coronavirus. This is the first time ever. I guess you don't know how the system works. 

Just to be clear I am talking about 90 day reporting not extension of stay.  And I do understand how the system works because my 90 day reporting was automatically updated on my behalf by the Imm Bureau due to the amnesty period, without any input from me, just as described in the Government Infographic.

[WaveHunter]

5 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

Some offices actually reset the clock. Right or wrong? Who cares? There's been posts about it recently. 

Who cares?  Somebody who assumes they are in compliance and then finds out they are not!  It's wrong to simply assume they do.  Most, if not all do not.  I know from personal experience that Chiang Mai does not, and I know that Jomtien does not.  Maybe it's just a slap on the wrist if you screw up, but if an Imm officer is having a bad day, it could be more serious.

Edited July 26, 2020 by WaveHunter

[Peter Denis]

8 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

I don't think that is true at all.  Extension of stay and 90 day reporting are two completely different things.  Getting an renewed extension of stay does not reset the clock on 90 day reporting.

Yes, it are two separate things.

But at some offices, they now do this (I thought UdonThani was one, but there are reports of other offices too).

[WaveHunter]

28 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Yes, it are two separate things.

But at some offices, they now do this (I thought UdonThani was one, but there are reports of other offices too).

If they actually give you a new stamped notification of 90 day reporting with the next due date shown, along with your extension to stay, then I guess you'd be OK, but if not, you shouldn't assume that the 90 Day has been reset.

 

You just never know here in Thailand LOL!  Individual offices seem to make up their own interpretation of the rules.  Worse, officers within an office may not be knowledgable.  Best bet is to play it safe and assume 90 day reports should be handled separately unless you have a freshly stamped notification in hand. 

 

It's usually just a slap on the wrist if you screw up, but if a month goes by before you realize it, that can be a sticky situation in the hands of an unfriendly Imm Officer. 

 

Remember that not only each office seems capable of interpreting the rules differently, but officers within the same office can put their own spin on it, and if one is having a bad day, he might just decide to make yours bad as well ????

 

Edited July 26, 2020 by WaveHunter

[Oldie]

24 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Yes, it are two separate things.

But at some offices, they now do this (I thought UdonThani was one, but there are reports of other offices too).

This is the problem. The people report what they think and not what they really experienced themselves. This creates a lot of confusion. 

[DrJack54]

Simple question (maybe not).

I skipped my reports. Next one in 90 day cycle is September 16 which is still under amnesty period.

With latest release does that mean I need attend immigration for 90 day report during August?

BTW I have renewal of annual extension RE due early Nov. 

[Oldie]

59 minutes ago, Oldie said:

This is the problem. The people report what they think and not what they really experienced themselves. This creates a lot of confusion. 

It was not against you Peter. But I often try to find information here and what I find often is a mixture of reality, thoughts and assumptions. In the end I am just more confused than before. If people would just write their experiences it would be much easier to know what is fact. Again - it was not against you. It is a general problem here. 

[Peter Denis]

15 minutes ago, Oldie said:

It was not against you Peter. But I often try to find information here and what I find often is a mixture of reality, thoughts and assumptions. In the end I am just more confused than before. If people would just write their experiences it would be much easier to know what is fact. Again - it was not against you. It is a general problem here. 

Thanks.

And I agree that some posters post their assumptions or their experience at their local IO, as nation-wide applicable and then 'attack' other posters that had a different experience.

The way how IOs treat similar applications varies widely, so any post about 'personal experience' without mentioning the IO is virtually useless.

In this particular case there are several confirmed reports from TVF members that mentioned that THEIR IO does reset the 90-day reporting date when handling your application for a 1-year extension of stay.  And obviously when they do this, you get the 'notification slip' with your next 90-day appointment, often stapled in your passport together with the new 1-year extension of stay stamp.

 

 

[Peter Denis]

30 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Simple question (maybe not).

I skipped my reports. Next one in 90 day cycle is September 16 which is still under amnesty period.

With latest release does that mean I need attend immigration for 90 day report during August?

BTW I have renewal of annual extension RE due early Nov. 

See my post #51.  It looked straightforward based on these 2 successive immigration announcements.  But according to UJ this 1-31 August window is only a suggestion by Immigration and since the Amnesty has been extended till 26 September, there should be no need to do your 90-day report during that period.

But as usual, it is clear as mud what is required. 

Guess we just need to wait for the next immigration announcement to confuse us further.

 

[orchidfan]

On 7/24/2020 at 11:32 PM, KhaoNiaw said:

You're talking about an automated system and I doubt it's been reprogrammed or whatever for the amnesty and it's just following what it's been programmed to do. So if you've missed what would have been your last 90-day report the system recognizes you didn't do it and won't allow you to do it online. That's the reason a lot of people have continued filing their 90-day reports withou taking advantage of the amnesty. If you've kept to your original 90-day schedule it still works.   

This advice seems to be correct. I have continued with each 90days report online throughout this period, and as of 24th July it worked.

(I use Firefox btw, via their website it remembers most of my previous inputs )

[WaveHunter]

16 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Thanks.

And I agree that some posters post their assumptions or their experience at their local IO, as nation-wide applicable and then 'attack' other posters that had a different experience.

The way how IOs treat similar applications varies widely, so any post about 'personal experience' without mentioning the IO is virtually useless.

In this particular case there are several confirmed reports from TVF members that mentioned that THEIR IO does reset the 90-day reporting date when handling your application for a 1-year extension of stay.  And obviously when they do this, you get the 'notification slip' with your next 90-day appointment, often stapled in your passport together with the new 1-year extension of stay stamp.

 

 

Exactly, if you get the notification slip with the next deadline shown, you're all set.  If you don't get that slip, even if the IO assures you all is OK, don't assume it is. 

 

Wait a few days and check your status online to be sure the notification receipt (with the next due date shown) has been entered into the system

[DrJack54]

3 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

But according to UJ this 1-31 August window is only a suggestion by Immigration and since the Amnesty has been extended till 26 September, there should be no need to do your 90-day report during that period.

Yes Peter, I saw UJ post and hence my post. I guess things more clear after wording goes into Gazette and the experts can give advice.

[WaveHunter]

39 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Yes Peter, I saw UJ post and hence my post. I guess things more clear after wording goes into Gazette and the experts can give advice.

That seems to always be the case herein Thailand.  Translation of official statements in the Gazette are often ambiguous and even contradictory when they first appear in Farang media.  It takes time before things are clarified. 

 

This whole August 1-31 thing makes no sense if there is an official Sep 26 deadline. Which is it; August 31 or September 26? 

 

Even worse is the wording, "...must be made from August 1 - 31 through specified channels..."  The word "Must" sounds pretty much like "mandatory" to me, not just a suggestion.  And just what are "specified channels" supposed to mean anyway?

 

It seems like the simplest "official" statements end up always being confusing, often contradictory, and just plain weird!

Edited July 26, 2020 by WaveHunter

[WaveHunter]

43 minutes ago, orchidfan said:

This advice seems to be correct. I have continued with each 90days report online throughout this period, and as of 24th July it worked.

(I use Firefox btw, via their website it remembers most of my previous inputs )

The online system actually appears to be working fine (albeit you may have to clear your cache to get it to work properly sometimes). 

 

I finally figured out why I couldn't do my 90 day report online, and it is because the Imm Bureau already updated it for me automatically with no input on my part (as the Infographic promised).  And, I suspect the same is true for anyone else who did not update their 90 day reports during the amnesty period.  Sounds good, but not really!

 

They updated it 22 April (one full month prior to my deadline date of 30 May, so that the next due date was 20 July!  Since I was not aware of any of this and then tried to do it myself on 24 July, I got the error message. 

 

Since I had no Ref # for their 22 April update, I only figured it out this morning when I did a search of my records by my passport number and then saw what they had done.

 

Just an example of how quirky the online system works during the Amnesty period. ????

 

Edited July 26, 2020 by WaveHunter

[Khawphod]

On 7/26/2020 at 10:12 AM, WaveHunter said:

The online system actually appears to be working fine (albeit you may have to clear your cache to get it to work properly sometimes). 

 

I finally figured out why I couldn't do my 90 day report online, and it is because the Imm Bureau already updated it for me automatically with no input on my part (as the Infographic promised).  And, I suspect the same is true for anyone else who did not update their 90 day reports during the amnesty period.  Sounds good, but not really!

 

They updated it 22 April (one full month prior to my deadline date of 30 May, so that the next due date was 20 July!  Since I was not aware of any of this and then tried to do it myself on 24 July, I got the error message. 

 

Since I had no Ref # for their 22 April update, I only figured it out this morning when I did a search of my records by my passport number and then saw what they had done.

 

Just an example of how quirky the online system works during the Amnesty period. ????

 

Just checked my Online Report history.

 

They haven't automatically updated anything.

 

Last entry on the list is the successful report I did in March.

 

Guess they are processing the Advanced TV Members first ;-)

[WaveHunter]

26 minutes ago, Khawphod said:

Just checked my Online Report history.

 

They haven't automatically updated anything.

 

Last entry on the list is the successful report I did in March.

 

Guess they are processing the Advanced TV Members first ????

The one thing I have figured out for certain about Imm's online services website is that is a complete "game of chance" whether it works for you or not.  Most of the times it has worked for me, but when it has not worked, the reasons are a complete mystery.  It's just poorly designed and buggy as hell.   Lazada was the same way a few years ago, but then they got their act together.  Perhaps the same will happen someday at Imm ????

 

I'm hoping that this curious August 1-31 timeframe they announced (even though the "official"deadline is 26 Sep) is a timeframe in which they will reset the online updating window for those who did not update their 90 day report during the amnesty period.  Wishful thinking perhaps; but who knows.

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by WaveHunter

[WaveHunter]

17 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

If the IT-guy is a poorly educated Thai, the online system will never work the way it should. The strange thing is why the website seems to work better than the app. 

My experience is that apps are always more wonky than websites.  There are plenty of Thai websites I have seen that are really well designed and highly functional.  It makes no sense that Imm has done such a poor job on theirs. 

 

It's not just technical IT stuff either; the translation into English is absolutely horrible in many situations on the Imm site in general.  It often leads to confusion and many instances of contradiction.

 

Considering that the majority of the users who use the website are expats and tourists who do NOT speak or read the Thai language, poor translation, and use of infographics written in Thai that Google can not translate are simply inexcusable and counter-productive not only for the user but for Imm officers that must deal with all the fallout that results from it.

 

Just my 2 cents worth ✅

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by WaveHunter

[Max69xl]

29 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

My experience is that apps are always more wonky than websites.  There are plenty of Thai websites I have seen that are really well designed and highly functional.  It makes no sense that Imm has done such a poor job on theirs. 

 

It's not just technical IT stuff either; the translation into English is absolutely horrible in many situations on the Imm site in general.  It often leads to confusion and many instances of contradiction.

 

Considering that the majority of the users who use the website are expats and tourists who do NOT speak or read the Thai language, poor translation, and use of infographics written in Thai that Google can not translate are simply inexcusable and counter-productive not only for the user but for Imm officers that must deal with all the fallout that results from it.

 

Just my 2 cents worth ✅

 

I would say 100% of all users are non-thai and don't read Thai. How hard can it be to outsource the web design and app development? One part of every Thai online system that is always very iffy, are fields without an asterisk *. Sometime if you enter something in those fields it won't work. So why not remove those fields? Then I know for sure that some people don't use the symbol to the right where you enter for example nationality by scrolling down. Then it won't work. 

[WaveHunter]

3 hours ago, Max69xl said:

I would say 100% of all users are non-thai and don't read Thai. How hard can it be to outsource the web design and app development? One part of every Thai online system that is always very iffy, are fields without an asterisk *. Sometime if you enter something in those fields it won't work. So why not remove those fields? Then I know for sure that some people don't use the symbol to the right where you enter for example nationality by scrolling down. Then it won't work. 

Somebody on the forum here told me to NEVER fill in the fields that do not contain the red asterisk. It’s good advice.  Leaving them blank does not cause a problem. 
 

Considering that is the case, why those fields even exist is beyond me. 

Edited July 30, 2020 by WaveHunter

[Max69xl]

Just now, WaveHunter said:

Somebody on the forum here told me to NEVER fill in the fields that do not contain the red asterisk. It’s good advice.  Leaving them blank does not cause a problem. 

I have told several people about leaving them blank. But once I skipped my first name and that field did not have an *, and I actually got an error message about it. Very strange. 

[WaveHunter]

3 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

I have told several people about leaving them blank. But once I skipped my first name and that field did not have an *, and I actually got an error message about it. Very strange. 

It’s just a severely flawed platform. I’ve dealt with many international immigration websites (many in 3rd world countries), and without question, Thailand’s is the worst I’ve encountered.  It makes no since because in most regards Thailand is far from being a 3rd world country. 
 

[Boomer6969]

On 7/25/2020 at 3:40 PM, chilly07 said:

I have done 2 90 day reports on line during the amnesty period without any problems so it is working as usual. I did have a problem printing the next appointment so I did a screen dump to print it out. I did print the Approved page as usual

That's because you did your report during the -14 to -7 days window for on line reporting. People here don't understand that, quite understandably, and amnesty won't be reflected in the rules built a computer system, unless someone undertakes to implement the pertinent new rules. As the amnesty is just a temporary stop gap immigration have not (yet?) done so.

What they should have done though is to warn users to that effect.

[KhaoNiaw]

On 7/30/2020 at 4:26 PM, Max69xl said:

I have told several people about leaving them blank. But once I skipped my first name and that field did not have an *, and I actually got an error message about it. Very strange. 

I did that once and submitted the form without noticing. I actually got a call from Immigration to tell me that she'd reject it and could I re-submit! 

[Oldie]

38 minutes ago, Boomer6969 said:

That's because you did your report during the -14 to -7 days window for on line reporting. People here don't understand that, quite understandably, and amnesty won't be reflected in the rules built a computer system, unless someone undertakes to implement the pertinent new rules. As the amnesty is just a temporary stop gap immigration have not (yet?) done so.

What they should have done though is to warn users to that effect.

They changed this application window.