Democrat Joe Biden chooses U.S. Senator Kamala Harris for White House running mate

[Rimmer]

A troll post and a reply have been removed

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, checkered flag said:

Defunding the police simply means giving them less money and resources to do their jobs. Sounds like disaster. All the other things you write about are about reorganizing responsibilities. It OK but the reorganization and reducing the load on the police must come first and the forces left must be well staffed and trained. 

In the current environment stronger tools are needed so that the anarchy mobs know the police mean business. 

If the moderator allows this (we are going off subject), let me answer this for you.

As I explained before, the reallocating of funds does not neccessarily mean 'less money and resources to do their jobs'. The idea is the money goes to other support services, thus freeing the police to do what the police do best. Many police chiefs support this too. Let me quote this for you

'A first step may be knowing that, for decades, police chiefs have agreed with some of the protesters’ demands. For instance, they support removing police from contexts that can be managed without them. There is no police chief I know who does not share this conviction. Today, officers are often trained in conflict resolution within families, and critical substance abuse interventions — but these are all services we should hope public health professionals could administer. Many protesters favour transferring funds from policing to social programmes that can reduce the need for communities to rely on police. Again, this is something chiefs can support. Scott Thomson, the legendary former chief of the reformed Camden Police Department in New Jersey, said that he would “trade 10 cops for a new Boys and Girls Club”. 

https://www.ft.com/content/e3d60194-aa32-11ea-abfc-5d8dc4dd86f9

[checkered flag]

1 hour ago, Berkshire said:

You know darn well Trump brings it on himself.  He can't even answer a simple question....

 

["After three and a half years, do you regret, at all, all the lying you've done to the American people on everything, all the dishonesties?" a reporter asked Trump.]

[Trump quickly called on a different reporter for another question.]

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/watch-trump-react-when-a-reporter-asks-if-he-regrets-all-the-lying-you-ve-done-to-the-american-people-over-the-past-3-1-2-years/ar-BB17W4I6

 

Trump have righted many wrongs and got rid of bad actors like Comey. He had an uphill battle against the swamp and media. He also achieved the lowest minority unemployment rates ever. Something Obama/Biden said couldn't be done. Of course if you watch MSM you would never know anything good has happened. 

The cancel culture has made most people unwilling to express their political views (like in 2016) but they wont stay silent in the voting booth.

The MSN reporter was really not reporting but acting as a political operative and got shut out.

[johnnybangkok]

54 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

In that case, expect the same treatment if Biden or any Dem becomes president. If one side breaks convention, no reason to expect it to be respected in future. IMO Harris can expect similar gottcha questions in future, and apparently she has a number of skeletons in her background.

I would absolutely expect the same treatment for Biden and Harris. A vigorous and free press should always be holding the fire to politicians feet, with no exceptions. 

So many Trump fans bemoan the 'unfairness' of the media to Trump but the true reality is he makes a rod for his own back with his constant lying, his constant pandering to every conspiracy theory going and his inane Twitter rants. He is POTUS for gods sake. He should be above so many things he gets involved in (including a Twitter spat with Bill Maher yesterday). Have some dignity man. Your country is in the midst of a pandemic that's killed 166,000 and counting . There's mass protests on most days in major cities. There's looters and degenerates causing chaos and all you care about is your ratings and whether a comedian is  '.... totally SHOT, looks terrible, exhausted, gaunt, and weak'. 

It truly beggars belief and I for one can't wait until the grown ups get back in the White House and the USA gets back to some form of former glory.

  

[Tie Dye Samurai]

On 8/11/2020 at 7:30 PM, Cryingdick said:

The thought that Kamala can unify the country is preposterous. I can't think of anybody worse in that regard.

You cant think of anybody worse regards of UNIFYING the country? I can...his name is Donald Trump....

[thaibeachlovers]

10 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

If the moderator allows this (we are going off subject), let me answer this for you.

As I explained before, the reallocating of funds does not neccessarily mean 'less money and resources to do their jobs'. The idea is the money goes to other support services, thus freeing the police to do what the police do best. Many police chiefs support this too. Let me quote this for you

'A first step may be knowing that, for decades, police chiefs have agreed with some of the protesters’ demands. For instance, they support removing police from contexts that can be managed without them. There is no police chief I know who does not share this conviction. Today, officers are often trained in conflict resolution within families, and critical substance abuse interventions — but these are all services we should hope public health professionals could administer. Many protesters favour transferring funds from policing to social programmes that can reduce the need for communities to rely on police. Again, this is something chiefs can support. Scott Thomson, the legendary former chief of the reformed Camden Police Department in New Jersey, said that he would “trade 10 cops for a new Boys and Girls Club”. 

https://www.ft.com/content/e3d60194-aa32-11ea-abfc-5d8dc4dd86f9

Please explain where all the trained social workers will come from? They can't be just magiced up.

Also, how many will be willing to go in harm's way to carry out their job? It could be argued that they would be putting themselves at risk by dealing with many of the situations currently dealt with by cops, or are you suggesting that they be escorted by cops, which would make the entire policy worthless?

[geriatrickid]

And today, trump encouraged people to question  Senator Harris' origins with his tacit support of the false claim that  she is not legally qualified to run for VP.

President Trump amplified a false claim Thursday that California-born Kamala Harris might be ineligible to serve as vice president, a smear that recalls the racist "birther" campaign he waged against former President Obama.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/baseless-birther-attack-on-kamala-harris-shows-how-trump-is-struggling-to-define-her/ar-BB17We3h

 

This man truly is a gutter dweller when he promotes and encourages this type of bigotry. It's wrong and yet no one, absolutely none of the  supposed law and order republicans has the   moral integrity to tell him to stop it.  Senator McCain  spoke out against the Trump promoted  lie on  President  Obama's origin, but McCain like the republican party's moral soul is dead.

 

Shameful. Judgement day can't come soon enough.

[johnnybangkok]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Please explain where all the trained social workers will come from? They can't be just magiced up.

Also, how many will be willing to go in harm's way to carry out their job? It could be argued that they would be putting themselves at risk by dealing with many of the situations currently dealt with by cops, or are you suggesting that they be escorted by cops, which would make the entire policy worthless?

To be honest, I've gone over this far too much (and it's not the topic) so please feel free to Google every single one of the questions you are asking. The answers from much better qualified individuals than myself are there if you care to take the time and effort to research. One last point though. None of this is new. These suggestions have been around for many., many years and as my previous post clearly shows, they are supported by many police chiefs of all political persuasion. This is not just a 'mad liberal' idea, so please take a few minutes to research the points you are raising. I think once you do, you will hopefully start seeing this for the great idea it is. 

Edited August 14, 2020 by johnnybangkok

[Phoenix Rising]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Please explain where all the trained social workers will come from? They can't be just magiced up.

Also, how many will be willing to go in harm's way to carry out their job? It could be argued that they would be putting themselves at risk by dealing with many of the situations currently dealt with by cops, or are you suggesting that they be escorted by cops, which would make the entire policy worthless?

"It could be argued...."

 

And that's the essence of your post. None of the "issues" you point out are unsolvable and haven't been done elsewhere.

[bendejo]

I'm impressed this came from the NY Post, which is pretty much Fox News in print form.

Quote

President Trump continues to be his own worst enemy: On Thursday, he stooped to calling presumptive vice-presidential nominee Kamala Harris a “mad woman.”

That doesn’t promote his agenda. It doesn’t help him with women. It doesn’t shore up his image as worthy of the nation’s highest office.

It’s just, as Trump would say, mean and nasty.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/13/lose-the-nasty-words-mr-president-it-does-you-no-good/

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

34 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

Trump have righted many wrongs and got rid of bad actors like Comey. He had an uphill battle against the swamp and media. He also achieved the lowest minority unemployment rates ever. Something Obama/Biden said couldn't be done. Of course if you watch MSM you would never know anything good has happened. 

The cancel culture has made most people unwilling to express their political views (like in 2016) but they wont stay silent in the voting booth.

The MSN reporter was really not reporting but acting as a political operative and got shut out.

The swamp you say? Perhaps life would have been made easier for him if he hadn't surrounded himself with quite so many crooks. 7 convicted so far and counting.

And maybe defrauding his own charity wasn't the best of ideas....or paying off a porn star.... or not giving up his business interests....or not showing his tax returns....or, or......well i think you get the idea.

But yeah, poor Donald. It must be so bad to be picked on so often.

[johnnybangkok]

25 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

And today, trump encouraged people to question  Senator Harris' origins with his tacit support of the false claim that  she is not legally qualified to run for VP.

President Trump amplified a false claim Thursday that California-born Kamala Harris might be ineligible to serve as vice president, a smear that recalls the racist "birther" campaign he waged against former President Obama.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/baseless-birther-attack-on-kamala-harris-shows-how-trump-is-struggling-to-define-her/ar-BB17We3h

 

This man truly is a gutter dweller when he promotes and encourages this type of bigotry. It's wrong and yet no one, absolutely none of the  supposed law and order republicans has the   moral integrity to tell him to stop it.  Senator McCain  spoke out against the Trump promoted  lie on  President  Obama's origin, but McCain like the republican party's moral soul is dead.

 

Shameful. Judgement day can't come soon enough.

Trumps race to the bottom didn't even pause. Straight in with yet another load of birther nonsense. And the worse part is yet again his apologist will not see anything wrong with this and in a lot of cases, actually believe him with their usual 'well if there's smoke there must be fire' logic.

Time and time again this stain on the offcie of POTUS just spouts nonsense with every increasing impunity and a spineless GOP just sits back and lets it all happen. They all should be ashamed of themselves and again I only hope come November they start seeing there are real consequences to their complicity.   

[billd766]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If I were Trump I'd have had him removed from the room and banned on ever returning. I know the left hates Trump, but have some respect for the position, if not the man.

IMO most people still have some respect for the position, but few, if any have respect for the position holder who has done his worst to abuse that position. 

 

I truly hope for the sake of the USA and of much of the world, that Trump is soundly thrashed in the November elections and that he is dragged from the White House in chains to a jail cell with NO bail granted as he would certainly be a flight risk.

[earlinclaifornia]

6 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

I was asking a question, that's all. If you don't know the answer why bother writing nonsense.

 

I know that facts get in your way often, so you resort to name calling as nonsense when your put on the spot.

[EVENKEEL]

2 hours ago, Smigel said:

I assume from your post that it is your contention, that defunding the police will Not mean any reduction in police numbers. 

The fact that police budgets are cut by whatever amount of millions of dollars and diverted to " community projects", the formation of new units, presumably using more " social workers". Will definitely not mean police officers losing their jobs, is that correct. 

Because we could all see that a lack of police presence in the cities of Chicago, Seattle, Portland, Minneappollis etc, etc, recently, resulted in a massive drop in the crime rate. 

It was incredible there were no murders, rapes, Arson, looting, or robberies. 

In this new crime free utopia of yours, what unit would be dispatched to an incident where a powerfully built man, showing signs of being high on drugs, attempting to pass counterfeit cash in a store.? 

You can use big words if you like, if there's anything I don't understand I can Google it, oh, and it doesn't have to be in short sound bites either  as I'm not on Twatter.! 

For Seattle it means laying off 100 cops, the First black female Police Chief quit when the budget was cut. 

[EVENKEEL]

6 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I know that facts get in your way often, so you resort to name calling as nonsense when your put on the spot.

What name calling, I asked a legit question and your response had zero to do with question.  So cry elsewhere.

[EVENKEEL]

2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

If the moderator allows this (we are going off subject), let me answer this for you.

As I explained before, the reallocating of funds does not neccessarily mean 'less money and resources to do their jobs'. The idea is the money goes to other support services, thus freeing the police to do what the police do best. Many police chiefs support this too. Let me quote this for you

'A first step may be knowing that, for decades, police chiefs have agreed with some of the protesters’ demands. For instance, they support removing police from contexts that can be managed without them. There is no police chief I know who does not share this conviction. Today, officers are often trained in conflict resolution within families, and critical substance abuse interventions — but these are all services we should hope public health professionals could administer. Many protesters favour transferring funds from policing to social programmes that can reduce the need for communities to rely on police. Again, this is something chiefs can support. Scott Thomson, the legendary former chief of the reformed Camden Police Department in New Jersey, said that he would “trade 10 cops for a new Boys and Girls Club”. 

https://www.ft.com/content/e3d60194-aa32-11ea-abfc-5d8dc4dd86f9

In Seattle 100 cops will lose their jobs due to defunding. Think of it this way, a bunch of terrorists held Seattle hostage with looting and burning and Seattle is giving in to the terrorists demands.

[checkered flag]

7 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

What name calling, I asked a legit question and your response had zero to do with question.  So cry elsewhere.

Its called the new logic of the left. After all you get a trophy for just showing up.

[checkered flag]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

In Seattle 100 cops will lose their jobs due to defunding. Think of it this way, a bunch of terrorists held Seattle hostage with looting and burning and Seattle is giving in to the terrorists demands.

What's the racial mix of the 100 cops who will lose their jobs? Seattle has been actively recruiting minorities.

[EVENKEEL]

4 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Go back and re read my response as I pointed out the question you poised was already a Fox News tactic designed to claim Biden won't make it.Much like you asking if he is not the candidate! Sounding your more of a crybaby.

I asked If biden gets incapicated before the elections how does the dnc pick the candidate. Real simple question, you don't need to answer if you don't know the answer. I apologize for not watching FOX.

[Rimmer]

Some troll posts also off topic posts removed and flames.

 

Stay on topic please or risk suspension for continued off topic troll posts

 

Democrat Joe Biden chooses U.S. Senator Kamala Harris for White House running mate

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I asked If biden gets incapicated before the elections how does the dnc pick the candidate. Real simple question, you don't need to answer if you don't know the answer. I apologize for not watching FOX.

Why does it matter?

 

[mikebike]

On 8/13/2020 at 6:43 AM, DoctorG said:

You do not know what color I am...

Unfortunately your statement in the previous post betrayed your colour anonymity...

[mikebike]

On 8/13/2020 at 8:56 AM, utalkin2me said:

lmfao the criticisms were bad enough for her to drop out of the race almost at the moment of their utterance! lol

 

This forum deletes links.

 

After the debate Anderson Cooper sat down with her and asked her to respond to Gabbard's criticisms. This is after she had time to think and to give good answers. Her answers were: Tulsi is not a serious candidate. Tulsi is an Assad apologist. 

 

She had no answers to any of the 4-5 criticisms of her prosecutorial record. None... 0 answers. It shows you who she really is. 

 

As to your inability to find answers to your own questions via the interweb, difficult to know what to say. It is all there, go find it yourself. But when the candidate herself had no answers, the criticisms are obviously legit. That is how that works. 

Do u understand U.S. politics even in the very least?

 

The exact criticisms which beat her up in the Dem primary are the perfect pivot for the presidential election.

 

(Hint: in Dem primary move left. In the general move right).

 

Same stuff happens EVERY cycle...

[Rimmer]

More off topic removed

[mikebike]

On 8/13/2020 at 11:43 AM, checkered flag said:

She scares any honest thinking person, that should help Trump.

Wow. If ANY politician scares you that much you should apply for the position of snowflake-in-chief. You're a shoe-in!! ????????

[mikebike]

On 8/13/2020 at 12:20 PM, utalkin2me said:

Say what people want to hear, change your opinion when it suits you politically. I can't stand the sight of these people, but I am only one vote.

I'm confused... I thought you were a 45 supporter? Why are you dissing him so?

[EVENKEEL]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why does it matter?

 

Kind of does, But seems no one knows the answer.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-medical-records-reveal-heart-condition

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

I asked If biden gets incapicated before the elections how does the dnc pick the candidate. Real simple question, you don't need to answer if you don't know the answer. I apologize for not watching FOX.

It's a good question. Obviously if its a temporary problem then things stay the same. If it's permanent than I reckon it makes a big difference if it happens before or after Biden is nominated. As the convention is soon then its fair to assume that Biden Harris will be nominated. So from there if Biden is out I would assume Harris would be the presidential nominee. But then Biden would probably still be on ballots. I don't know if that's a problem or not. I recall dead candidates have even won elections before. 

 

If it happened before the nomination then of course it would be based on DNC rules. Perhaps then an open convention as Bernie wouldn't have enough delegates.

Edited August 14, 2020 by Jingthing

[earlinclaifornia]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

I asked If biden gets incapicated before the elections how does the dnc pick the candidate. Real simple question, you don't need to answer if you don't know the answer. I apologize for not watching FOX.

Why Biden then do you ask his replacement pick? Why not trump, Pence or Harris? Fox did a fair job in reporting the Harris pick. 

The two exceptions were Gutfeld but he is always a sickie and Jeanine who was making a sick prediction he won't be there on Election Day.