Trump defends accused Kenosha gunman, saying his life was likely in danger

[Scott]

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[watthong]

2 hours ago, Pilotman said:

3 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

I just watched it . 

The kid was on his own , surrounded by a baying mob, one kicked him to the ground and tried to snatch his gun from him, the kid opened fire and the baying mob dispersed .

   The kid would have been in big danger had he not made the mob run away

why was he there in the first place and with a gun? Hardly the action of an innocent bystander. 

 

Let me keep this simple: Kyle Rittenshouse was there to have the chance to play out his cop-fantasy ie keeping law and order - and to use his ammo to great effect ie killing and maiming. His saying that he was there to protect people's property was his excuse, his medic pack was his decoy and unfortunately the local police was his allies.

 

Anybody thinks that he was being attacked by a mob and needed to defend himself conveniently disregards the context of the incident. The crowd realized that there was a live shooter in their midst who had just killed somebody and therefore tried to subdue him.  They did not use guns on him. Otherwise, the injured victim could have shot him when Kyle was still rolling on the ground if that were his initial intention since this person had a gun - but he didn't.

 

There are people who try to use any reason to defend the shooter/murderer, as per the quote above. Those are too FAR GONE (including and especially Trump and his MAGA crowd) as far as humanity is concerned and are not worth the time or energy invested in a rational discussion. Let's save our energy and precious brainpower to keep these creatures from creating further havoc in our lives. First and foremost, do not engage in reasoning with them, it's a waste of your time. It's like arguing with a fool, all they want to do - and can do - is to drag you down to their level, so don't play into their hand. If you haven't seen the movie "Invasion of the Bodysnatchers"  then now is a good time to subscribe to a movie streaming venue. Stay strong and speak out. Maintain your sanity, your dignity and above all your humanity. Only 2 more months to go under this nutcase's administration. 
 

[Peabody]

9 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

On the other hand, Trump doesnt agree with violent protestors who are systematically burning down the USA  , and he sympathizes with people trying to stop them ?

Those are rioters, not protesters. At least get your vocabulary correct.

[FritsSikkink]

6 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

I would prefer to have Police brutality, rather than mob rule on the streets 

The mobs are there to protest the Police brutality, if the bad apples behaved, there wasn't any protest.

So not a smart argument.

[shdmn]

1 hour ago, Peabody said:

Those are rioters, not protesters. At least get your vocabulary correct.

So you support vigilante murder but only when it's someone on your 'team'?

Edited September 1, 2020 by shdmn

[Sujo]

2 hours ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

Not sure what is so difficult to understand?  There are 2 activities going on.  1) Peaceful protesting that is legally protected and does not need to be quelled.  2) Looting and rioting that occurs using the protest as cover.  This activity is usually in ghetto areas so more of the same self destruction of the lower class.  However, when this activity moves to city like Kenosha, citizens will react, even if our more peace loving socialist members don't agree with that.

 

If you think both activities are not happening, you are part of the problem. ????

Kenosha citizens are not really involved. Did you miss the part where police said the anti protests are from other areas.

[Scott]

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[candide]

Trump is doing everything he can to get people enraged so that a can complain about disorder.

 

https://www.web24.news/u/2020/09/trump-compares-a-police-blunder-to-a-bad-golf-shot.html

[Heppinger]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Trump is doing everything he can to get people enraged so that a can complain about disorder.

 

https://www.web24.news/u/2020/09/trump-compares-a-police-blunder-to-a-bad-golf-shot.html

Trump is a simpleton, anyone getting enraged by his comments would suggest they too are simple. 

[tribalfusion001]

Anyone who defends a wannabe 17 year old Rambo killer and says it self defence needs to see a shrink. He had no business being there walking around with an assault rifle, he was there to provoke a reaction and got one. His life is finished and two others are dead, well done stupid little boy!

[RoadWarrior371]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

Kenosha citizens are not really involved. Did you miss the part where police said the anti protests are from other areas.

By citizens, I mean the owners of those businesses that were burned or looted.  Think!  We Americans are never just going to stand by and watch our homes or business burn.  Or do you think the protests were entirely peaceful?

[Jingthing]

25 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Anyone who defends a wannabe 17 year old Rambo killer and says it self defence needs to see a shrink. He had no business being there walking around with an assault rifle, he was there to provoke a reaction and got one. His life is finished and two others are dead, well done stupid little boy!

You kind of hit on his defense.

He is under 18 and there is evidence of psychological issues with his obsession with law enforcement and reportedly some issues making a career in that field unlikely. For example, the Marines rejected him but of course won't say why.

Edited September 1, 2020 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

50 minutes ago, Heppinger said:

Trump is a simpleton, anyone getting enraged by his comments would suggest they too are simple. 

Unfortunately he is the president. His insane comments can't be ignored like a crank commenter on youtube. 

[tribalfusion001]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

You kind of hit on his defense.

He is under 18 and there is evidence of psychological issues with his obsession with law enforcement and reportedly some issues making a career in that field unlikely. 

His CV is not going to look good, double homicide and attempted murder, shelf stacking awaits after a long stint in the nick.

[RoadWarrior371]

30 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Anyone who defends a wannabe 17 year old Rambo killer and says it self defence needs to see a shrink. He had no business being there walking around with an assault rifle, he was there to provoke a reaction and got one. His life is finished and two others are dead, well done stupid little boy!

Glad I live in the USA where we have a Freedom and a right to trail by our peers.  The truth will come out thru the judicial process, and justice is blind to any preconceived accusations or personal issues of accusers ????.  A lot of banana republics would rush to judgement based on a grainy cell phone video and hear-say.  Glad I do not live in one of those mud-holes.

[candide]

1 hour ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Anyone who defends a wannabe 17 year old Rambo killer and says it self defence needs to see a shrink. He had no business being there walking around with an assault rifle, he was there to provoke a reaction and got one. His life is finished and two others are dead, well done stupid little boy!

At least equally responsible are the adult who failed to fulfill their duties:

- those who brainwashed a gullible kid,

- his stupid mother

- the guy who lent him an assault rifle (if it's true)

- the police who allowed him in (it's not like the toddler looks older than his age, right?)

- the right wing group which used him.

 

In a "normal" context, this kid:

- would not have been incited to play with arms and believe he could be a vigilante

- would not have been allowed to go to a protest at night

- would not hold an assault rifle

- would not have been allowed to get into the protest by the police.

 

The poor kid, who was surely not very smart, has got his life <deleted> up by irresponsible adults. 

Edited September 1, 2020 by candide

[Scott]

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[Enoon]

5 hours ago, watthong said:

Only 2 more months to go under this nutcase's administration. 
 

 

Unfortunately I think that there is a greater chance that things have gone beyond a "civil" resolution (in this case being achieved by the result an election) than there has been, in the USA, since the middle of the 19th century.

 

The world should be holding its breath.

 

 

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by Enoon

[torturedsole]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

At least equally responsible are the adult who failed to fulfill their duties:

- those who brainwashed a gullible kid,

- his stupid mother

- the guy who lent him an assault rifle (if it's true)

- the police who allowed him in (it's not like the toddler looks older than his age, right?)

- the right wing group which used him.

 

In a "normal" context, this kid:

- would not have been incited to play with arms and believe he could be a vigilante

- would not have been allowed to go to a protest at night

- would not hold an assault rifle

- would not have been allowed to get into the protest by the police.

 

The poor kid, who was surely not very smart, has got his life <deleted> up by irresponsible adults. 

That's a very broad statement of fact.

 

Whilst the UK guns laws are very strict, I do have extensive experience of firearms and it's a positive hobby for young people if provided the opportunity to fire live ammunition and I wasn't in the army. It's obviously a controlled and disciplined environment but there's absolutely no harm in kids taking up the sport. My parents allowed me to travel to the shooting range most weekends in my early teens and were not brainwashing me or were being irresponsible.

 

The discipline I learned in my formative years from these experiences remain with me to this day.

 

Young Kyle was clearly in Kenosha to provide medical support to injured protestors and I believe a jury will acquit him in due course.   

[candide]

4 minutes ago, torturedsole said:

That's a very broad statement of fact.

 

Whilst the UK guns laws are very strict, I do have extensive experience of firearms and it's a positive hobby for young people if provided the opportunity to fire live ammunition and I wasn't in the army. It's obviously a controlled and disciplined environment but there's absolutely no harm in kids taking up the sport. My parents allowed me to travel to the shooting range most weekends in my early teens and were not brainwashing me or were being irresponsible.

 

The discipline I learned in my formative years from these experiences remain with me to this day.

 

Young Kyle was clearly in Kenosha to provide medical support to injured protestors and I believe a jury will acquit him in due course.   

I was obviously not talking about you!

 

So you agree with letting a 17 yo go to a protest with an assault rifle? Really?

Why would he need an assault rifle just to "provide medical support"? 

[tribalfusion001]

Just now, candide said:

I was obviously not talking about you!

 

So you agree with letting a 17 yo go to a protest with an assault rifle? Really?

Why would he need an assault rifle just to "provide medical support"? 

You beat me to it, I was thinking the same, surely a first aid kit would be beneficial not an AR-15.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

You're kinda forgetting the part where, apart from anything else, he was in illegal possession of a gun/rifle as a minor AND out at night in violation of curfew.  His whole presence there was illegal, and he was committing a criminal offense before anything at all happened with him.

 

Plus, AFAIK, it's not known what exactly led to the initial confrontation with this guy in the first place.  Lots of white militia were out with guns that night, but they weren't all being chased by crowds... Something happened at the outset prior to the first shooting.

 

Let's also remember, the first person the teenager fatally shot was NOT armed with a gun or a knife at all...  According to the videos, someone else unknown nearby fired a gun into the air (not at the teenager), and he responded by shooting the man who was chasing him.... who wasn't any kind of lethal threat.

 

 

 

None of which makes self defense void. Even a criminal robbing a store in fear for his life could make a valid self defense argument, IMO.

I wonder if his lawyer will make anything of them trying him as an adult and prosecuting him for being illegally in possession of a firearm as a minor?

 

His whole presence there was illegal, and he was committing a criminal offense before anything at all happened with him.

Indeed and he will be convicted on that charge, but that is nothing to do with killing in self defense.

 

Let's also remember, the first person the teenager fatally shot was NOT armed with a gun or a knife at all.

Irrelevant, IMO. If he was in fear for his life it's a valid defense, and even unarmed people can kill.

 

 

[torturedsole]

38 minutes ago, candide said:

I was obviously not talking about you!

 

So you agree with letting a 17 yo go to a protest with an assault rifle? Really?

Why would he need an assault rifle just to "provide medical support"? 

In fairness, I never stated that I agree with a 17 year old kid attending a protest with a semi-automatic rifle.  

 

We have to break down the known facts first - mom didn't drive Kyle across a state line with her son in possession of a rifle. Therefore we have no knowledge as to whether she was aware that Kyle would pick up a rifle in Kenosha.

 

Thereafter, there is video evidence of Kyle adorning medical gloves and medical kit stating, on camera, that he was there to assist injured protestors. He didn't appear pumped up, at least not to me, and seemed to have his heart in the right place in his intentions.  He also alluded to the necessity of the rifle.

 

I've watched most of the available video and this boy was most definitely being chased down by a frenzied mob with petrol bombs launched at him and the final battle played out on the main road.  

 

1 hour ago, candide said:

The poor kid, who was surely not very smart, has got his life <deleted> up by irresponsible adults. 

He was smart enough not to die at the hands of the mob.  

 

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by torturedsole

[thaibeachlovers]

31 minutes ago, torturedsole said:

Young Kyle was clearly in Kenosha to provide medical support to injured protestors and I believe a jury will acquit him in due course.   

Where do you get that from? My understanding was he went there to protect businesses against the mob.

 

I do think he will be successful pleading self defense to the murder charge, but he's done on the being illegally in possession of a firearm as a minor charge.

 

Edit. I just read your last post which would explain it.

Edited September 1, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[RoadWarrior371]

5 minutes ago, torturedsole said:

He was smart enough not to die at the hands of the mob.  

 

 

We say, better to be judged by '12' than carried by '6'. ????

[tribalfusion001]

4 minutes ago, torturedsole said:

He was smart enough not to die at the hands of the mob.  

 

 

Would have been a lot smarter not to be there with an assault rifle and using it. He was asking for it and got it, it was provocation walking up and down a street with a rifle. Who the hell did he think he was, it wasn't an x-box game of shoot em up. If he hadn't of done this, then he would have been one of those school killers instead.

[Jingthing]

His character background will not look good when he goes to trial.

Hanging out with the right wing white supremacist extremist Boogaloo movement previously in Kenosha.

This group is openly trying to spark a race based civil war in the USA.

In other words, right wing terrorists.

They wear Hawaiian shirts basically ruining Hawaiian shirts for the general public.

This accused murder for all his other crimes thought it was OK to befriend such people.

John Lewis, recently deceased civil rights hero (for blacks and LGBT people) coined the term good trouble.

This accused murder, 45 fan and vigilante, was clearly looking for bad trouble and he got it.

 

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/8/31/21409330/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-ryan-balch-boogaloo-boi-jacob-blake

 

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Avowed ‘boogaloo boi’ says he roamed Kenosha streets with Kyle Rittenhouse before shootings

 

[tribalfusion001]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

They wear Hawaiian shirts basically ruining Hawaiian shirts for the general public.

 

I agree with everything you say, but Hawaiian shirts are a bit 80's and Tom Selleck in Magnum. Good if you are Thai for songkran though 555.

[torturedsole]

8 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

He was asking for it and got it

He won.

[torturedsole]

9 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

... it was provocation walking up and down a street with a rifle. Who the hell did he think he was, it wasn't an x-box game of shoot em up. If he hadn't of done this, then he would have been one of those school killers instead.

School killer is a bit far, I'm sure.  

 

You really need to closely look at the build-up videos and there's plenty of them.