With pandemic dominating U.S. election, older voters turning away from Trump

[Phoenix Rising]

6 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Yup, just more Fake News from the Lamestream Media. If anything, Trump's "Oldster" support is through the roof. 

My dear Aunt whose neighborhood there in Palm Springs, California tells moi that she sees virtually zero Biden signs on lawns there. Nothing but Trump as far as the eye can see! ???? 

Are you sure that's not down to cataract?

[Phoenix Rising]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Trump was elected, IMO, BECAUSE he isn't a normal politician. The people that voted for him did so, IMO because he was rough and unpolished and said things he shouldn't just like a normal person does. The average person, IMO, no longer identifies with career politicians that have never done a real job their entire lives.

Do you call what trump's done since he was awarded his silver spoon a real job???

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

 

And yet, somehow, you never seem to have any issues with the Republican Party for the candidate they fielded. All you complaints on this score are leveled at the opposition.

Funny, isn't it. They never seem to be able to clearly state why exactly they are against Biden/Harris other than some lame and vague comment like "career politician!" and "I saw her in the debate!".

And to think that they prefer a person that obviously and demonstrably is less fit for the office of the president than a kiddie fiddler is running a kindergarten............it still blows my mind!

Edited October 10, 2020 by Phoenix Rising

[Morch]

12 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

45's campaign strategy is horrible (not that I have any problem with that). All he is trying to do is appeal to a base he already has, but which isn't close to enough to get him the win.

 

He spent his week doing long interviews on hannity, on OAN, and a two hour call in to rush limbaugh. It isn't as if any non-45ers are watching or listening to any of those. Between those appearances, plus his Tweeting and prepping for his contagion rally this weekend, it is also pretty clear that he isn't too busy doing the nation's business.

 

His south lawn infomercial for Regeneron was not fact based in the least. He said there's plenty of it and everyone can get it for free. Well, his dose cost the US Taxpayer $1.5 million. The manufacturer has a total of 50,000 doses of the treatment which is made from material taken from aborted fetuses. Currently the US is seeing some 40,000 to 50,000 new infections per day, so that not-so-easy-to-manufacture treatment's cache of 50,000 doses is not going to last long, and it is unlikely the manufacturer is going to give it away for free, and since the deficit has already jumped $7,000,000,000,000 since 45 took office (It was a total of $19.3 trillion after the first 240 years of the US' existence), there is hardly anymore room to add to it for the 'fiscal conservative' republican Party.

 

By telling the elderly that Covid was easily beat, when they know full well they will not ever see a dedicated team of 25 doctors plus a $1.5 million dose of Regeneron, is unlikely to win him many seniors.

 

Regenron signed a government contract in July - $450 million worth, for development and supply of the drug. The amount of patients that could cover was first said to be between 70k to 1.3 million (yeah, seems kinda wide range), later adjusted to 300k.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is-regeneron-covid-antibody-cocktail-trump-covid-19/

[Jonnapat]

At long last people showing some common sense. 

Maybe in a couple of weeks we will be rid of this objectionable narcissist. 

[Lacessit]

33 minutes ago, Jonnapat said:

At long last people showing some common sense. 

Maybe in a couple of weeks we will be rid of this objectionable narcissist. 

If the USA is not, I'm forecasting civil war. Although it will be decidedly uncivil.

[candide]

8 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

End of the day, the voters seem more than happy with the results of the last 4 years. Now while I am convinced there is some way to spin that a higher rating is a bad thing, I will take it at face value. One possible reason for such a disconnect with Biden/Trump polls could be the question is not "risky" to answer in the same way that a direct "do you support Trump" question could be?

 

"More American voters believe they are better off after four years under President Donald Trump than they did at the end of the first terms of former presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush, new polling data has revealed.

The latest survey from Gallup found that a clear majority of registered voters (56 percent) believed they were better off now compared to four years ago."

https://www.newsweek.com/more-voters-better-off-donald-trump-first-term-obama-bush-1537759

The explanation may be in your article:

"But Americans were also more likely to feel that Biden had presidential qualities lacking in Trump. Forty-nine percent said that the former vice president had presidential traits, while only 44 percent said the same of Trump."

[unblocktheplanet]

Old, arrogant f**ker stabbed American seniors in the back over Covid. Hope he enjoys his deserts.

[xylophone]

3 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Old, arrogant f**ker stabbed American seniors in the back over Covid. Hope he enjoys his deserts.

You are referring to trump I take it. His late reaction to the virus danger, did more than stab seniors in the back.....it killed them.

[xylophone]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Trump was elected, IMO, BECAUSE he isn't a normal politician. The people that voted for him did so, IMO because he was rough and unpolished and said things he shouldn't just like a normal person does. The average person, IMO, no longer identifies with career politicians that have never done a real job their entire lives.

Not only isn't he a normal politician, he is not a normal person because I've never known anybody who lies that much.

 

I don't suppose for one minute that the "average person" ever thought that they were going to get a president who was a compulsive liar, a cheat, and adulterer, a misogynist, a racist and someone who was not only a compulsive liar, but also as dumb as a bag of rocks (cofveve, Yo-semite, "does Finland belong to Russia", "no such thing as global warming", and of course, "the virus is just like the flu and it will disappear in April when the warm weather comes" – – yeah right).

 

How anyone can support this sad excuse for a human being is beyond comprehension, unless they feel sorry for dumb liars.

[dunroaming]

19 hours ago, Dolmance said:

There's a disease people get, usually children, where they like to eat non edible substances, like chalk, bits of plastic or wood, crayons, strips of fabric and assorted stuff, that nobody else could imagine wanting to chow down on.  It's sort of like that with Trump supporters.  Whereas most people take one look at that ridiculous hairstyle and that gigantic obese woman's butt, and feel like someone's tickling the back of their throat with a feather to elicit a gag reflex, Trump's supporters think they're looking at a normal, actual human being. 

 

Four years ago, my father absolutely loved Donald Trump, and shared memories of going to college with the guy and having many lunches with the man, except my father was senile and was twelve years older than the future President, and never went to college with him and never sat at a table to share a meal with the guy.  It was all a delusion caused by senility that was progressing at a gallop.

 

I'm writing this, because I think it's a given at this point, that if you support this creep, it might be a good idea to see a gerontologist and check out your mental faculties, because it could be a serious sign that something is wrong with you. 

I just wish that the Trump supporters would just take a breath and pause for a moment and actually read his recent tweets and listen to his recent interviews.  It is clear that Trump is insane, but you guys aren't.  You don't have to change horses and vote for Biden, I know you dyed in the wool republicans would never do that but surely you can see that Trump is unfit to carry on with his lunacy.  Maybe it is time to just sit on your hands.

[xylophone]

7 hours ago, J Town said:

Here are some of 45's "accomplishments":

 

1. Trump doesn't read books nor security briefings.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/americas-first-post-text-president/549794/

2. Doesn't honorably pay his bills.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

3. Trump gleefully described how he uses his fame to grope and harass women.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-10-07/hot-mic-catches-donald-trump-bragging-about-sexual-assault

4. Trump has openly endorsed violent retaliation against people who disrupt his rallies, offering to pay their legal fees.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-campaign-protests-20160313-story.html

5. Direct quote: "I could shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters

6. Trump shared a hilarious story about not wanting to help a dying man.
https://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-howard-stern-story

7. Lied about seeing thousands in New Jersey cheereding when World Trade Center tumbled.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/nov/22/donald-trump/fact-checking-trumps-claim-thousands-new-jersey-ch/

8. Trump told security to take protesters' coats: 'Throw them out into the cold'.
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/265172-trump-tells-security-to-confiscate-protesters-coats

9. Trump is removing expertise from all levels of government.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2017/03/how-trump-is-changing-science-environment/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/28/climate/trump-administration-war-on-science.html
https://civilrights.org/trump-rollbacks/

10. Trump is profiting from his businesses, in part by leveraging his position as president, including overcharging the Secret Service for space in the properties he owns, a direct violation of the emoluments clause.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/20/trump-businesses-empire-tied-presidency-100496
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-charges-secret-service-for-protection-hotel-properties-report-2020-2

11. His policies have separated children from their families while managing to lose track of over 1500 kids.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/us/trump-immigrant-children-lost.html

12. Demonstrated Abuse of Power and Obstruction of Congress for which he was impeached.
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/116th-congress/house-report/346/1

13. Trump paid Court-Ordered $2 Million For illegally using Trump Foundation Funds.
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation

14. Trump quote: “[Biden] was only a good vice president because he figured out how to kiss Barack Obama’s ass.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-attacks-bidens-in-personal-and-coarse-terms-at-minnesota-rally/2019/10/10/3c2304c2-ebc6-11e9-9c6d-436a0df4f31d_story.html

15. Trump attacked Democratic Rep. Debbie Dingell and her late husband, Rep. John Dingell, during a rally on Wednesday, implying the former congressman was "looking up" from hell.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/trump-rally-john-dingell-hell/index.html

16. Called for the assassination of an Iranian military leader and lied about the reason.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/trump-case-for-killing-soleimani-iran-lies.html

17. Trump fired people who testified against him.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/alexander-vindman-gordon-sondland-trump-white-house-ukraine-impeachment-latest-a9324531.html

18. Has been firing Inspector Generals for suspect motives. In two cases, questions were raised about whether the dismissals related to ongoing IG investigations into the conduct of the cabinet secretary in charge of that department. The cumulative firings are often described as a "purge" or as a "war on watchdogs".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_dismissal_of_inspectors_general#:~:text=On Friday%2C May 15%2C at,Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

19. Declared the Covid-19 a "Democratic hoax" AFTER having been warned for months by his advisers how this was going to be a serious problem, resulting in unnecessary deaths.
https://www.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=007115

20. Had U.S. citizens gassed and flash bombed so he could pose for a phony photo op. The church pastor vehemently condemned this act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_photo_op_at_St._John's_Church
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-st-johns-church-visit-staging-bishop-mariann-budde/

21. Said "George Floyd is looking down from heaven and appreciating the great day in terms of equality."
https://news.knowledia.com/US/en/articles/trump-suggests-george-floyd-is-looking-down-from-heaven-and-e7241a79a337a52aea47eb87182b4675b02eb3aa
 
Biden is by no means a great candidate, but while he has many policy blunders in his past, they pale in comparison to the cumulative laws broken by the incumbent. In my opinion, Trump's behavior is that of a dictator in the making and democracy itself is at stake.

Thank you so much for that post, says eveything I have wanted to say about this clown, and you have provided links as well. Great work Mr. Town!

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

I just wish that the Trump supporters would just take a breath and pause for a moment and actually read his recent tweets and listen to his recent interviews.  It is clear that Trump is insane, but you guys aren't.  You don't have to change horses and vote for Biden, I know you dyed in the wool republicans would never do that but surely you can see that Trump is unfit to carry on with his lunacy.  Maybe it is time to just sit on your hands.

Trump supporters should also be sympathetic to Trump and not give him false hope that he can still win. Have a heart for his health. The man is 74 years old and obese and he caught Covid-19. Twice he had low oxygen level and has to rush to Walter Reed for emergency care. The doctors must be very worried for his condition to prescribe experimental drugs. He is breathless when he talks and cough. The man is not well and under immense stress of losing. The WH is scared stiff of him to be truthful on his condition. 

Even DJ Jr is concern for his daddy’s health. He will end up a Shakespearean King Lear tragedy. 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

No.  I would if you continued your correction fully to include that Trump never even used the word 'bleach' and his suggestion of injecting a disinfection was given only as a possibility for the medical profession to explore and not as an endorsement for people to try at home.  Then I would consider it truthful.

You seem to forget that in response to Trump’s dangerous comments the manufacturers of household cleaning agents felt it necessary to issue a public safety warning that their products should not be introduced into the body to combat COVID-19. 

 

But then you seem to selectively forget a lot a lot of things.

[IAMHERE]

"...according to Reuters/Ipsos national surveys ..."

First lets see how well Reuters polling did in 2016. Yep, strictly anti Trump.

[pookondee]

I think for all his many faults, Trump will be way better than Biden, if just considering the issue of the next 6 months fight against Covid.

 

Biden will surely side with the likes of Faucci,

and both will be trying to sell us a miserable existence for the next 10 years.

 

The Thai prime minister will tell you there is no Covid in Thailand.

Now, if you believe that or not, the fact remains,

even if just through perception,

Thailand will get tourists back, get the country going,

and restart normal life, 

A LOT quicker than these idiots saying we are doomed for the next 10 years...

(with ZERO science behind the claim)

 

When you think about it, the powers that be in Thailand can afford to be Covid deniers.

They do it first, to save face,

blame it on foriegners,

and peacock about how good they managed it.

BUT, ultimately they can do that because they know the population (many who actually still believe in ghosts) are terrified out of their wits and

now dont want foriegners around...which suits the army just fine.

 

Trump is also a Covid denier of sorts,

but at least he wont tolerate this cowardly surrender, giving up and conceding to defeat to a slightly worse than normal flu.

 

Id actually take Trumps lies

(in the exact but oposite way some in Thailand lie)

if it means we will manage this virus and get on with life, instead of laying down and accepting our youth to have no life and suiciding going through the roof.

 

Of course, if you are fat and old you will disagree. 

But really,

should a small % of the population who want to cling on to a few years miserable existence in an aged home

do that at the expense of everyone else in the world who is from 1-70 years of age?

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

"...according to Reuters/Ipsos national surveys ..."

First lets see how well Reuters polling did in 2016. Yep, strictly anti Trump.

This is 2020. Not 2016. But if that makes you feel better. 

[Susco]

20 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL.  Are they still pushing the long since debunked "drinking bleach" fallacy?  I guess if Biden is repeating the same lie it's O.K.?

 

Austin American-Statesman (slightly left leaning bias with a high factual rating) - Fact-check: Did Trump tell people to drink bleach to kill the coronavirus?

 

“And when it comes to COVID-19, after months of doing nothing, other than predicting the virus would disappear, or maybe if you drank bleach you may be okay, Trump has simply given up,” said Biden, who delivered his remarks at a metalworks factory near his hometown of Scranton on Thursday.

You are right he didn't suggest drinking it, he effectively suggested injecting it.

 

From your own link

 

And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, Susco said:

You are right he didn't suggest drinking it, he effectively suggested injecting it.

 

From your own link

 

And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside

Yes, and later he claimed he was being sarcastic. Another one of his tens of thousands of lies. 

[polpott]

26 minutes ago, pookondee said:

But really,

should a small % of the population who want to cling on to a few years miserable existence in an aged home

do that at the expense of everyone else in the world who is from 1-70 years of age?

Its called "having consideration for others" or "putting others before yourself". Concepts a Trump supporter could never understand.

 

What did Hillary call you? The Deplorables? Sounds about right to me.

 

 

Edited October 10, 2020 by polpott

[stevenl]

27 minutes ago, pookondee said:

I think for all his many faults, Trump will be way better than Biden, if just considering the issue of the next 6 months fight against Covid.

 

Biden will surely side with the likes of Faucci,

and both will be trying to sell us a miserable existence for the next 10 years.

 

The Thai prime minister will tell you there is no Covid in Thailand.

Now, if you believe that or not, the fact remains,

even if just through perception,

Thailand will get tourists back, get the country going,

and restart normal life, 

A LOT quicker than these idiots saying we are doomed for the next 10 years...

(with ZERO science behind the claim)

 

When you think about it, the powers that be in Thailand can afford to be Covid deniers.

They do it first, to save face,

blame it on foriegners,

and peacock about how good they managed it.

BUT, ultimately they can do that because they know the population (many who actually still believe in ghosts) are terrified out of their wits and

now dont want foriegners around...which suits the army just fine.

 

Trump is also a Covid denier of sorts,

but at least he wont tolerate this cowardly surrender, giving up and conceding to defeat to a slightly worse than normal flu.

 

Id actually take Trumps lies

(in the exact but oposite way some in Thailand lie)

if it means we will manage this virus and get on with life, instead of laying down and accepting our youth to have no life and suiciding going through the roof.

 

Of course, if you are fat and old you will disagree. 

But really,

should a small % of the population who want to cling on to a few years miserable existence in an aged home

do that at the expense of everyone else in the world who is from 1-70 years of age?

Thailand took a very stringent approach towards battling covid, Trump took no approach. And you praise Thailand for that. Still you base on that your opinion that Trump is better in handling covid than Biden would be with a a bit more strict approach. That reasoning makes no sense.

 

Where did you hear that Biden claims we're doomed for the next 10 years?

[Tippaporn]

5 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

Trump's actual comments:

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/11/joe-biden/no-trump-didnt-tell-americans-infected-coronavirus/

 

 

So, he didn't suggest people drink a disinfectant. He merely suggested initially that people might be injected with one.

 

If anyone watching the video noticed Trump was turned towards the seated doctors and was addressing them with his suggestions.  I do get how people can so utterly misconstrue something so obvious to others.  Believe me, I know exactly how it works.

 

LOL.  I remember the days before consumer warning labels were around.  There was a time, believe it or not, when they weren't necessary.  These days it seems the world's days would be numbered without them.

[Morch]

16 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

If anyone watching the video noticed Trump was turned towards the seated doctors and was addressing them with his suggestions.  I do get how people can so utterly misconstrue something so obvious to others.  Believe me, I know exactly how it works.

 

LOL.  I remember the days before consumer warning labels were around.  There was a time, believe it or not, when they weren't necessary.  These days it seems the world's days would be numbered without them.

 

It was on live TV, while he was (supposedly) addressing the nation. That he turned toward the seated doctors does not make his nonsense any better. Oh, and I do believe you know exactly how misconstruing works, you just had a go at it.

[RocketDog]

Cue the "I don't believe this poll" brigade. Confirmation Bias is a powerful force. 

[Throatwobbler]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

If anyone watching the video noticed Trump was turned towards the seated doctors and was addressing them with his suggestions.  I do get how people can so utterly misconstrue something so obvious to others.  Believe me, I know exactly how it works.

 

LOL.  I remember the days before consumer warning labels were around.  There was a time, believe it or not, when they weren't necessary.  These days it seems the world's days would be numbered without them.

Labels were not around in the day when presidents did not suggest people inject bleach.

 

You have been going around in circles trying to defend the fact that Trump suggested injecting bleach. It is on camera, we all saw it. I think the only person you are trying to convince is yourself becaue you are not convincing anyone else

 

[Throatwobbler]

2 hours ago, pookondee said:

I think for all his many faults, Trump will be way better than Biden, if just considering the issue of the next 6 months fight against Covid.

 

Biden will surely side with the likes of Faucci,

and both will be trying to sell us a miserable existence for the next 10 years.

 

The Thai prime minister will tell you there is no Covid in Thailand.

Now, if you believe that or not, the fact remains,

even if just through perception,

Thailand will get tourists back, get the country going,

and restart normal life, 

A LOT quicker than these idiots saying we are doomed for the next 10 years...

(with ZERO science behind the claim)

 

When you think about it, the powers that be in Thailand can afford to be Covid deniers.

They do it first, to save face,

blame it on foriegners,

and peacock about how good they managed it.

BUT, ultimately they can do that because they know the population (many who actually still believe in ghosts) are terrified out of their wits and

now dont want foriegners around...which suits the army just fine.

 

Trump is also a Covid denier of sorts,

but at least he wont tolerate this cowardly surrender, giving up and conceding to defeat to a slightly worse than normal flu.

 

Id actually take Trumps lies

(in the exact but oposite way some in Thailand lie)

if it means we will manage this virus and get on with life, instead of laying down and accepting our youth to have no life and suiciding going through the roof.

 

Of course, if you are fat and old you will disagree. 

But really,

should a small % of the population who want to cling on to a few years miserable existence in an aged home

do that at the expense of everyone else in the world who is from 1-70 years of age?

Nice rant. Has nothing to do with any facts or science but nice rant non the less.

I will give you that many Thais believe in ghosts but many Americans believe in god. No difference

Edited October 10, 2020 by Throatwobbler

[Throatwobbler]

4 hours ago, xylophone said:

Not only isn't he a normal politician, he is not a normal person because I've never known anybody who lies that much.

 

I don't suppose for one minute that the "average person" ever thought that they were going to get a president who was a compulsive liar, a cheat, and adulterer, a misogynist, a racist and someone who was not only a compulsive liar, but also as dumb as a bag of rocks (cofveve, Yo-semite, "does Finland belong to Russia", "no such thing as global warming", and of course, "the virus is just like the flu and it will disappear in April when the warm weather comes" – – yeah right).

 

How anyone can support this sad excuse for a human being is beyond comprehension, unless they feel sorry for dumb liars.

 

 

Edited October 10, 2020 by Throatwobbler

[IAMHERE]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

This is 2020. Not 2016. But if that makes you feel better. 

The idea I was trying to get across is that the polls are self serving, not to be trusted anymore in 2020 than 2016. Reuters spins every story to be anti-Trump.  I think Reuters is too political and not to be trusted. It does not make me feel better to have a predominantly left wing press in America. 

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

If anyone watching the video noticed Trump was turned towards the seated doctors and was addressing them with his suggestions.  I do get how people can so utterly misconstrue something so obvious to others.  Believe me, I know exactly how it works.

 

LOL.  I remember the days before consumer warning labels were around.  There was a time, believe it or not, when they weren't necessary.  These days it seems the world's days would be numbered without them.

"If anyone watching the video noticed Trump was turned towards the seated doctors and was addressing them with his suggestions."

And?

 

"I do get how people can so utterly misconstrue something so obvious to others.  Believe me, I know exactly how it works."

???? Of course, if you say so!

 

" I remember the days before consumer warning labels were around.  There was a time, believe it or not, when they weren't necessary."

Rubbish. The stupids have always been there and for confirmation look no further than to certain segments of the American populace. As for consumer warning labels they're just the result of litigation gone wild.

Edited October 10, 2020 by Phoenix Rising

[Morch]

5 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

The idea I was trying to get across is that the polls are self serving, not to be trusted anymore in 2020 than 2016. Reuters spins every story to be anti-Trump.  I think Reuters is too political and not to be trusted. It does not make me feel better to have a predominantly left wing press in America. 

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/reuters/