Trump to resume campaign as new polls show Biden lead growing in key states

[TopDeadSenter]

7 minutes ago, newnative said:

Almost certain his horrendous, scandalous record of lying--over 20,000 lies and counting--

I would delve deeper into the "20,000 lies" claim, you will find they consist often of inconvenient truths. I for one do not equate inconvenient truths as lies, quite the opposite in fact.

 

"His falsehoods include such incredible claims such as accurately stating the number of new jobs since the election. Or Trump saying he signed executive orders that he did, in fact, sign............."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/washington-posts-10000-trump-untruths-is-about-25-fake-news-2019-04-29

[Berkshire]

2 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

More false and misleading statements I'm afraid. This poll is not telling me the last 4 years have been a dud for Trump. 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/more-voters-better-off-donald-trump-first-term-obama-bush-1537759

"More American voters believe they are better off after four years under President Donald Trump than they did at the end of the first terms of former presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush, new polling data has revealed.

The latest survey from Gallup found that a clear majority of registered voters (56 percent) believed they were better off now compared to four years ago."

Since you're suddenly big on polls, how about these.  Very telling....

 

[Two U.S. polls which correctly forecasted the electoral victory of President Donald Trump in 2016 now have him slated to lose in a landside to Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden in 2020.]

[In 2016, both the Investor's Business Daily/TechnoMetrica poll (IBD/TIPP) and University of Southern California Dornslife/Los Angeles Times poll (USC/LA Times) both predicted Trump's victory.]

[Both pollsters now have Trump losing.]

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/two-polls-that-predicted-trump-s-2016-win-now-predict-his-2020-landslide-loss/ar-BB19XAxu

 

[TopDeadSenter]

4 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Since you're suddenly big on polls, how about these.  Very telling....

 

[Two U.S. polls which correctly forecasted the electoral victory of President Donald Trump in 2016 now have him slated to lose in a landside to Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden in 2020.]

[In 2016, both the Investor's Business Daily/TechnoMetrica poll (IBD/TIPP) and University of Southern California Dornslife/Los Angeles Times poll (USC/LA Times) both predicted Trump's victory.]

[Both pollsters now have Trump losing.]

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/two-polls-that-predicted-trump-s-2016-win-now-predict-his-2020-landslide-loss/ar-BB19XAxu

 

Polls work well when there is no "right" and "wrong" answer. 

[Chomper Higgot]

34 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

You were saying? On the most important aspect of the Presidential race, whether the Supreme court will have its legitimacy destroyed, Biden shows how he respects voters. If this doesn't send shivers up democrat voter's spines nothing will. And his policy?

 

"Joe Biden once again refused to reveal his stance on packing the Supreme Court, saying voters 'don't deserve' to know his position ahead of the November election."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8826943/Joe-Biden-says-voters-dont-deserve-know-position-packing-Supreme-Court.html

 

“whether the Supreme court will have its legitimacy destroyed”

 

So you accept appointing a religious zealot is a threat to the legitimacy of the Supreme Court.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Polls work well when there is no "right" and "wrong" answer. 

Sorry you don’t like the answers.

[TopDeadSenter]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“whether the Supreme court will have its legitimacy destroyed”

 

So you accept appointing a religious zealot is a threat to the legitimacy of the Supreme Court.

No. I favor replacing SC judges when one resigns or passes away, as usual. 

 

Stacking the court with extra judges in a tantrum will be an unmitigated disaster. The one sensible compromise, which I just can not understand why the democrats do not all choose, is if they decide 9 is a bad number and 12 would be better just make a new law which comes into effect in say a decades time after their potential turn at the helm is over. Everybody would be happy, right? 

[amexpat]

7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Or does he do that only for his own ego to see all the people who come and love him? I guess now is the time to do that. After the election he can stay home and cry.

SDNY is not going to let him stay home much, I hope.

 

[RJRS1301]

3 minutes ago, amexpat said:

SDNY is not going to let him stay home much, I hope.

 

Melania is hoping the same thing, wear him out, exhaust him she says ????

[amexpat]

21 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

No. I favor replacing SC judges when one resigns or passes away, as usual. 

You mean like when Scalia died and was immediately replaced?  No, wait that was too close to an election, right? 

[Isaan sailor]

Today in Ohio, Joe Biden proclaimed he is running for the US Senate.  Not the first time he said it this campaign—very sad.

No wonder no one comes to his rallies.

[newnative]

13 minutes ago, Silurian said:

Donald is just getting slaughtered in the betting averages now. It seems to be Biden's election to lose. Biden got a clear bump after the first debate and then again after Donald claimed being infected with COVID-19.

 

Maybe Donald should have worn that Superman T-shirt under and ripped his button-down shirt to expose it after being let out of the hospital. It would be nice to see yet another bump for Biden!

 

Betting Odds U.S. President 2020

 

     I hope Democrats DO NOT become complacent like they did in 2016, and I include myself.  Yesterday I read an interesting but also scary article showing how Trump could still win, and in a combination of ways.  Basically, the article looked at 2016 state by state and showed the polls right before the election and the percentage that Trump actually won or lost by in each state.  For example, Trump actually won state X by 5 points but the polls had him winning by only 1 point.  The premise being that Trump always polls lower because some voters are embarrassed to admit that they will vote for Trump.

    So, the author moves on to 2020 and also goes state by state, looking at the polls for each state and then applying the 2016 poll difference from the actual election results.  By applying Trump's 2016 state polls and actual results to the current 2020 polls, the author is able to assign a potential win or loss and he shows several ways Trump can win, even if he loses some states and the popular vote.   It was interesting that after he goes alphabetically state by state, assigning each state as a win for either Trump or Biden, he is left with just Pennsylvania that is too close to call using his formula.  

    I am hoping for a big Biden win.  If it is close, it's easy to see that Trump has been laying the ground work for months to dispute the election and not leave office if he loses.  Every day for months he has been falsely saying at every opportunity that absentee ballots produce massive fraud. They don't, of course, Trump, himself, always votes absentee, but telling a lie over and over and over until a percentage of the population believes it to be true is Trump's modus operandi.  

    If the election, and an Electoral College win, does, indeed, come down to very close results in Pennsylvania, or Florida, or one of the other toss-up states, it's easy to see Trump demanding the state's results be thrown out, using his phony voter fraud argument.  It's important to remember that Gore actually won Florida in 2000.  Using every possible method to count the disputed Florida votes, Gore won by a range of 60 to 171 votes.  Unfortunately for America, the Supreme Court voted 5 to 4 to stop the complete recount before it was finished and gave Bush the victory in Florida, and the Electoral College win.   

     Trump, of course, is pushing to have the vacant Supreme Court seat filled, even though there are less than 30 days before the election.  (There were over 230 days before the 2016 election when the Republicans said no to voting on Obama's SC nominee during an election year.)  If it's a close election, he'll have an easy 6-3 vote in his favor should it end up in the Supreme Court again.  

    Thanks to the archaic Electoral College, we get into messes like this.  Thanks to the archaic Electoral College, a handful of 'swing states' always get all the attention from the candidates, while the many other 'safe states' are unfairly ignored.  Thanks to the archaic Electoral College,  the preferred candidates of the voters were ignored in 2000 and 2016 and we ended up with two horrible presidencies from the two candidates who received fewer votes, Bush and Trump.  Here's hoping Biden wins big--but even that might not stop Trump from clinging to power; he is always and forever a spoiled brat and bully used to getting his way even if he needs to cheat, as his past record shows.   Scary times.  

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22 minutes ago, newnative said:

     I hope Democrats DO NOT become complacent like they did in 2016, and I include myself.  Yesterday I read an interesting but also scary article showing how Trump could still win, and in a combination of ways.  Basically, the article looked at 2016 state by state and showed the polls right before the election and the percentage that Trump actually won or lost by in each state.  For example, Trump actually won state X by 5 points but the polls had him winning by only 1 point.  The premise being that Trump always polls lower because some voters are embarrassed to admit that they will vote for Trump.

    So, the author moves on to 2020 and also goes state by state, looking at the polls for each state and then applying the 2016 poll difference from the actual election results.  By applying Trump's 2016 state polls and actual results to the current 2020 polls, the author is able to assign a potential win or loss and he shows several ways Trump can win, even if he loses some states and the popular vote.   It was interesting that after he goes alphabetically state by state, assigning each state as a win for either Trump or Biden, he is left with just Pennsylvania that is too close to call using his formula.  

    I am hoping for a big Biden win.  If it is close, it's easy to see that Trump has been laying the ground work for months to dispute the election and not leave office if he loses.  Every day for months he has been falsely saying at every opportunity that absentee ballots produce massive fraud. They don't, of course, Trump, himself, always votes absentee, but telling a lie over and over and over until a percentage of the population believes it to be true is Trump's modus operandi.  

    If the election, and an Electoral College win, does, indeed, come down to very close results in Pennsylvania, or Florida, or one of the other toss-up states, it's easy to see Trump demanding the state's results be thrown out, using his phony voter fraud argument.  It's important to remember that Gore actually won Florida in 2000.  Using every possible method to count the disputed Florida votes, Gore won by a range of 60 to 171 votes.  Unfortunately for America, the Supreme Court voted 5 to 4 to stop the complete recount before it was finished and gave Bush the victory in Florida, and the Electoral College win.   

     Trump, of course, is pushing to have the vacant Supreme Court seat filled, even though there are less than 30 days before the election.  (There were over 230 days before the 2016 election when the Republicans said no to voting on Obama's SC nominee during an election year.)  If it's a close election, he'll have an easy 6-3 vote in his favor should it end up in the Supreme Court again.  

    Thanks to the archaic Electoral College, we get into messes like this.  Thanks to the archaic Electoral College, a handful of 'swing states' always get all the attention from the candidates, while the many other 'safe states' are unfairly ignored.  Thanks to the archaic Electoral College,  the preferred candidates of the voters were ignored in 2000 and 2016 and we ended up with two horrible presidencies from the two candidates who received fewer votes, Bush and Trump.  Here's hoping Biden wins big--but even that might not stop Trump from clinging to power; he is always and forever a spoiled brat and bully used to getting his way even if he needs to cheat, as his past record shows.   Scary times.  

I think this came from Michael Smerconish. 2 things he left out. Pollsters have since adjusted their algorithms to take better account of white non-college graduates. Also, he didn't note Comey's October surprise. Seems unlikely that anything similar is going to happen despite the repeated predictions of certain right wingers. The best they can do now is misrepresent the data released by Ratcliffe about Hillary Clinton. And as far as I'm aware, she's not running. 

Edited October 13, 2020 by placeholder

[OneMoreFarang]

5 hours ago, Smigel said:

Erm, I think they call it campaigning, apparently there's an election very soon. 

Who knew a winning strategy would be to hide in a basement, not answer any questions by a fawning media and refuse to tell the American people what your policies are. 

Apart from  the orange man bad mantra, what else do the Dems have.? 

Erm, so you think shouting the same lies to the same people who vote for him anyhow will help him in the election somehow? Yeah, sure...

And about Biden: Not that I am a big fan of that guy but he answers lots of questions. Only sometimes he has difficulties to be heard because that other guy with the big mouth shouts all the time and does not let him answer.

You could try to listen to the DEMs about their policies. They publish it in lots of places. But to be fair im am not sure if Breitbart writes about it.

[OneMoreFarang]

22 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Melania is hoping the same thing, wear him out, exhaust him she says ????

I though that was the job of Stormy and others.

[FritsSikkink]

3 hours ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

What is your plan? Do you want to shut down the Economy and perhaps save a few lives, and increase unemployment?  Or do you want to open up employment, and perhaps increase the spread? Do tell.

Start with wearing a mask and wash you hands with alcohol gel a lot. Monitor temperatures everywhere.

[Sujo]

13 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Today in Ohio, Joe Biden proclaimed he is running for the US Senate.  Not the first time he said it this campaign—very sad.

No wonder no one comes to his rallies.

Amd trump says he is the messiah. Small incidents of misspeaking are not issues.

 

Over 20,000 lies are, but doesnt bother you.

[placeholder]

7 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Start with wearing a mask and wash you hands with alcohol gel a lot. Monitor temperatures everywhere.

Actually, soap and water are better but obviously  not nearly as ubiquitous as alcohol gel currently are or as easy to use.

Edited October 13, 2020 by placeholder

[newnative]

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I would delve deeper into the "20,000 lies" claim, you will find they consist often of inconvenient truths. I for one do not equate inconvenient truths as lies, quite the opposite in fact.

 

"His falsehoods include such incredible claims such as accurately stating the number of new jobs since the election. Or Trump saying he signed executive orders that he did, in fact, sign............."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/washington-posts-10000-trump-untruths-is-about-25-fake-news-2019-04-29

   Well, I did say there would likely be 'dozens' of truths.  Thank you for coming up with maybe 2.  (There's no heavy lifting with 'executive orders, by the way.  No real work to be done working with Congress on passing an actual bill.  Trump's lazy.  Doesn't come up with a health plan in 4 years--promises, promises--but instead signs an easy-to-do 'executive order' proclaiming pre-existing  health conditions are protected.  Of course, his 'executive order' is as phony as his spray tan with no power, no enforcement, and does not protect anything.  Many have speculated that this was the blank paper he signed while he was in the hospital.  Might as well have been.  So the order says something that isn't true.  Should this be classified as a lie?  I think so.  Meanwhile, his lawyers are in court trying to eliminate pre-existing health protections.  Should it be a lie that Trump says one thing while he is actually doing the opposite?  I think so.)

[J Town]

8 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I wonder why Trump does these shows.

Does he really expect that he will convince anybody to vote for him when he shouts into a room with people who anyhow vote for him?

Or does he do that only for his own ego to see all the people who come and love him? I guess now is the time to do that. After the election he can stay home and cry.

He's losing voters with such callous disregard for people. The rabid weasels that follow him will never change, but Republicans with working brains see this dangerous, deadly behavior and turn away in disgust.

 

 

Edited October 13, 2020 by J Town

[scorecard]

10 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

He may well be no longer able to transmit the virus,( having spread it to others within the WH) but what precautions will be in place to protect those attending any  rally he hosts?

Are those attending taking precautions, or do they feel they are protected by osmosis from beloved leader being "cured"?

 

Good question - easy answer.

 

He thinks about himself only - no thoughts about the crowd and spread of the virus. 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

3 minutes ago, J Town said:

Republicans with working brains see this dangerous, deadly behavior and turn away in disgust.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if more of those disgusted republicans would sit in congress and the senate?

Or are they sitting there? Sitting and nodding and enabling that disgusting guy. Shame on them.

[J Town]

41 minutes ago, newnative said:

I hope Democrats DO NOT become complacent like they did in 2016, and I include myself.

Folks in Georgia stood in line for up to 11 hours to vote today. Enough is enough, this tangerine sack of sins is going down.

[PattayaJames]

6 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

Do you really think undecided voters are putting on a maga hats and going to trump rallies ?

 

Maybe they are watching on TV????

[placeholder]

13 minutes ago, J Town said:

Folks in Georgia stood in line for up to 11 hours to vote today. Enough is enough, this tangerine sack of sins is going down.

And for some reason, the longest waits generally occur in areas that that tend to vote Democratic. Hmmm...

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, Isaan sailor said:

Today in Ohio, Joe Biden proclaimed he is running for the US Senate.  Not the first time he said it this campaign—very sad.

 

"Donald Trump claims Covid immunity and offers to kiss crowd at rally"

https://www.ft.com/content/1ba9c17e-656a-49fc-8fdf-2f8f82b67454

 

A delusional charlatan as president - very sad.

Edited October 13, 2020 by Phoenix Rising

[Phoenix Rising]

10 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

Maybe they are watching on TV????

You mean for the entertainment value of seeing the orange clown address morons without masks?

[PattayaJames]

1 minute ago, Phoenix Rising said:

You mean for the entertainment value of seeing the orange clown address morons without masks?

Could be for any number of reasons.

One could be for a positive and inspirational view of America its people and its future.

 

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, PattayaJames said:

Could be for any number of reasons.

One could be for a positive and inspirational view of America its people and its future.

 

If that's what they want they choose the wrong channel, with his rallies mostly consisting of rants against Biden and Democrats in general.

[PattayaJames]

3 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Indeed .. he's bizarreness is to the point of ridiculous now .. 

He doesn't even know where he is or what office he is running for. More Trump supporters turn out for him than his own.

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

He doesn't even know where he is or what office he is running for. More Trump supporters turn out for him than his own.

Russia spreading disinformation about Biden's mental health: DHS

The Department of Homeland Security has found that Russia is spreading disinformation regarding former Vice President Joe Biden’s mental health, according to a DHS bulletin obtained by ABC News.

ABC News previously reported that DHS withheld publication of an intelligence bulletin warning law enforcement agencies of a Russian scheme to promote “allegations about the poor mental health” of Biden. The draft bulletin, titled “Russia Likely to Denigrate Health of US Candidates to Influence 2020 Election,” was submitted to the agency’s legislative and public affairs office for review on July 7. 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/russia-spreading-disinformation-bidens-mental-health-dhs/story?id=72879355