2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

The 'scientists' can't even agree on masks, Fauci and WHO can't even make a decision and stick to it.

What should we do? pick one particular scientist, and follow him and every change of mind he has?

Which scientist would you like us to follow?

Correct, lots of differing opinions at present, who is right and who is wrong? Unemployment is growing, businesses going bust, travel restrictions and growing resentment of those in charge. Thailand has it's own problems and if there was tourism ongoing, those problems would not have surfaced like at present.

Two years of little tourism will bankrupt the country 

1 hour ago, lust said:

There’s no such thing as herd immunity with covid 19 according to western doctors.

Some western doctors that is.

Some western doctors say you can achieve herd immunity

Some western doctors say they're not sure

 

With less than 12 months knowledge of this virus, there has not been enough time to test the herd immunity idea. Just like there hasn't been enough time elapsed to be certain that it cannot be contracted twice. Maybe it can, maybe it can't.

Aaaarrghhh it's 'im!

 

This 'expert virologist' ia also an expert scaremonger. Its only ever bad news from him.

My fathers GF in the US now has Covid, she is also a surgical ICU nurse practitioner, like my own daughter.  She is 65 years old and has the viral pnuemonia that is one of the issues that Covid-19 causes.  She is close to being put on a respirator this evening in Oregon.  My dad who is 73 has been tested and is negative, but will test again tomorrow. His GF, always wore a mask, used the provided PPE equipment, was sanitized going in and out of the hospital, and wore a mask everywhere she went.  They are not even trying to track her movements as all she did was work and go home, then return to work. The hospital has been checked and is clear of the virus, except those patients who are in the ICU in negative pressure rooms.  No matter what you do, live life as it should be lived, and if it is meant to be then it is meant to be, is what she told my dad.  I just got off of the phone with him.  He can not see her, and can only talk with her on the phone.  She also has no co-morbidities, other than being 65, and has always lived a healthy life style with exercise and the food she ate.  As she also told my dad, keep wearing a mask, and washing your hands.  Shower after returning home and clean your shower and toilet afterwards.

 

A false narrative is that these scientists keep waffling going back and forth.  The truth is they truly have no idea when or where it will strike, who it will strike, and whether or not using safety equipment or not wearing a mask can make a difference.  

20 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Stop with the misinformation.  This is what causes problems.  Do the research and you'll find out why they made changes.  Bashing Fauci is a dog whistle for the covid deniers.

 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/519000-fauci-says-his-mask-stance-was-taken-out-of-context-by-trump

 

So how do we obey the 'scientists' if what they say isn't reported correctly?

And you still haven't chosen a scientist for me to follow and obey, presumably it would need to be someone local that I could meet in person so that they couldn't be misrepresented by Trump or the media. What 'research' could I do that isn't subject to the same Trump/media/alt-right manipulation/misrepresentation?

 

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

No easy answers and tough times for many.  But saying masks don't work, or hide in basement, or heck with social distancing doesn't help and flies in the face of scientific research.  Taiwan did a great job.  Too bad governments in the West can't do the same thing.  We'd be through this if they did.  Especially with regards to the US.

Personally I don't see the need the masks, I wear a bandana as a face covering in shops and that's it. Western people value personal freedoms that were hard fought, that's not always the same in the east as they are generally more compliant. The virus doesn't affect the majority and never will, but lack of employment will and it's hitting the poorest people the most. I've been saying the same thing for months, lockdowns and social restrictions will cause unrest.

2 hours ago, webfact said:

If there are mostly white sheep in the herd, germs or dangers that could befall the black sheep would be kept at bay because the white sheep surrounding it would make it difficult for the invaders

What the he11 is he on???  That has to be the worst analogy I have heard in a long time!  ????

8 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Personally I don't see the need the masks, I wear a bandana as a face covering in shops and that's it. Western people value personal freedoms that were hard fought, that's not always the same in the east as they are generally more compliant. The virus doesn't affect the majority and never will, but lack of employment will and it's hitting the poorest people the most. I've been saying the same thing for months, lockdowns and social restrictions will cause unrest.

 

approx 1 billion people will be thrust into poverty from this. let's say just 1 percent of those die as a direct result. we are talking about 10 million people. 

 

no one is even talking about the economic tsunami that is building up right now. the pain from this will make the depression look like a night out at nana plaza. the great reset is about to take place. the firm line between those with and those without is being drawn. 

 

i want my future back.

56 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Covid is coming to close from what I'm seeing tonight, major protests in Naples and Catania, actually going on now.

 

Anti lockdown (Italy) and anti abortion protests, Warsaw and Katowice (Poland).

Actually the Polish protests are against laws banning Abortion 

So basically the (much pilloried) "Swedish Model."

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

The thing is that no no can or will tell you what the new normal is and what to prepare for, could it be that the new normal is Not normal? and that everyday bring new "new normal"? who can really say beyond just throwing cliche phrases into the air?...

Who is "normal"?

34 minutes ago, crazykopite said:

Two years of little tourism will bankrupt the country 

Which country?  Or do you mean all of them?

2 hours ago, webfact said:

after a large number of people become infected and become immune to the disease

 

2 hours ago, webfact said:

until the population has been immunised to levels that are higher than the herd immunity figure.

 

2 hours ago, webfact said:

Speaking of achieving herd immunity, he said when the majority of people become immune to Covid-19, either through infection and recovery or enough vaccination, then the disease will not spread.

 

2 hours ago, webfact said:

As for Covid-19, it is estimated that 60 per cent or more of the group should have immunity, or immunity should be acquired by vaccination of at least 60 per cent of the population, then the virus can be contained,

 Dear Dr Yong Poovorawan , you are just talking absolute BS .

There is NO proof that a lasting immunity against the Virus can ever be achieved .

People can become infected twice or more times without ever becoming immune . That is proven . The rest is only non factual  based speculation and bla bla ...

7 minutes ago, elgenon said:

Who is "normal"?

Normality is based on the average individual behavior ... that means if the average individual is just stupid , stupidity is normal ...

55 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Correct, lots of differing opinions at present, who is right and who is wrong? Unemployment is growing, businesses going bust, travel restrictions and growing resentment of those in charge. Thailand has it's own problems and if there was tourism ongoing, those problems would not have surfaced like at present.

What we’re seeing is a mass over-reaction by most governments around the world. The cure is worse than the disease. Life needs to go on. Healthy people need to work. Unhealthy folks need to protect themselves.

This Dr. Yong is outspoken almost more than Mr. Sulu.

There are many factors that must be taken into considerate scientists cannot agree among themselves but there is no doubt that Covid restrictions are affecting people's mental health and well-being there has never been and never will be a NORMAL but if restrictions carry on much longer it is likely to lead to civil unrest and war as it is creating a big divide between the few rich who are relatively unaffected and the remainder who are being or will be forced into poverty.

1 hour ago, lust said:

There’s no such thing as herd immunity with covid 19 according to western doctors.

Which doctors?  Or should I say witch-doctors...

48 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

A false narrative is that these scientists keep waffling going back and forth.  The truth is they truly have no idea when or where it will strike, who it will strike, and whether or not using safety equipment or not wearing a mask can make a difference.  

If you Google the word “virus” it will answer all these questions for you and more. 

2 minutes ago, robbioff said:

What we’re seeing is a mass over-reaction by most governments around the world. The cure is worse than the disease. Life needs to go on. Healthy people need to work. Unhealthy folks need to protect themselves.

 

Yes , life needs to go on , people need to continue to be able to earn money they need to make a living .

The Virus will NOT just disappear .

No other way than to go on with restaurants , bars , public gatherings , shopping , etc ... but at the same time people will need to realize that , by now , there is an enemy always around and wanting to infect them .

Life has become much more risky now , protection is  an absolute necessity if one wants to survive in the long term .

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Exactly. Listen to the scientists, not the conspiracy theory websites or politicians.  Sadly, many don't do this.

By scientists I hope that you are not referring to this eminent virologist Dr Yong Poovorawan, with his Halloween Zombie Apocalypse message.

2 hours ago, simon43 said:

"New normal lifestyle"?  I'm intrigued also as to what this is.  My lifestyle is absolutely unchanged.  I can only think it refers to international travel, which certainly has been affected.  Otherwise, no changes here....

New normal means wearing masks. Social distancing. Limited international travel. And in the case of outbreaks, possible lockdowns. 
 

If it’s not affecting you now it’s unlikely to affect you in future.

 

Two years is not far off what I heard from a Cathay exec. He told me they are planning for another 18 months of very limited travel. 

2 hours ago, mr mr said:

people need to stand up and say no.

There is no such thing as "new normal" Something is either normal or it is not. This is just more scaremongering from someone trying to stay relevant. 

1 hour ago, phukettrader said:

People need to do some of their own research instead of being sheep

People have done their own research. It is the Covid deniers who have watched one YouTube video and are now convinced that they are right who need to do more research.

Is Dr Poovorawan a government advisor and does he advocate isolating the country from the rest of the world for another 2 years. 

2 hours ago, mr mr said:

people need to stand up and say no.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-who-backflips-on-virus-stance-by-condemning-lockdowns/news-story/f2188f2aebff1b7b291b297731c3da74

1 hour ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Face masks are not a problem, unemployment is and that growing. People follow conspiracy theories because the governments don't make sense anymore.

A rare voice of reason.  Attached a link to a short 2'15" must-see clip of a speech by MP Desmond Swayne in the UK House of Commons, in which he summarizes the covid-mess and the absolute shambles of current policy.

 It is no good to say that "every other jurisdiction in the world is following basically the same policy". That would strike me as herd stupidity! pic.twitter.com/hFjYcXODET

— Desmond Swayne (@DesmondSwayne) October 22, 2020

 

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

The 'scientists' can't even agree on masks, Fauci and WHO can't even make a decision and stick to it.

What should we do? pick one particular scientist, and follow him and every change of mind he has?

Which scientist would you like us to follow?

You do understand how science works don’t you? That opinion can change when more data is gathered. At the start of the pandemic they were operating on very little data so of course when they got more information opinions changed. The absolute ignorance I see on any Covid post with regards to science is breathtaking.

 

One thing I do know though is that I would listen to a scientist every day over any uneducated expat who has watched a couple of videos and now thinks that they are an expert in this field and posts all their views on Thai visa.

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

 

So how do we obey the 'scientists' if what they say isn't reported correctly?

And you still haven't chosen a scientist for me to follow and obey, presumably it would need to be someone local that I could meet in person so that they couldn't be misrepresented by Trump or the media. What 'research' could I do that isn't subject to the same Trump/media/alt-right manipulation/misrepresentation?

 

Choosing a scientist isn’t like choosing a football team. You look at the overall scientific consensus. Yes there always going to be some outliers but there is a general confirmed scientific consensus.

 

How <deleted> difficult is it to understand that?