1 minute ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

He never did either...maybe change your news diet from late night comedy shows to real news sources. And what's Europe's downfall?

My news diet is videos of Trump, for as long as I can take the lies he spouts.

His latest lie is if he can be cured of the virus, anyone can. Sure, if you are Gates, Bezos or Buffett, or can get world-class treatment at taxpayer expense. More than 80% of Americans have zero chance.

What about Europe? Put all their active cases together, and it's still less than the ones you have. With a population of near 750 million against America's 330 million. As pathetic an attempt at look over there I have seen for some time.

Face it, the USA is a pariah nation and a basket case. Self-inflicted wound.

 

6 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Difference is Europe is in second wave, US in first. Deaths lag infections, but yes, should be lower now.

The way I am seeing the graphs, America is in a third wave. I'm looking at active cases, not deaths.

12 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The way I am seeing the graphs, America is in a third wave. I'm looking at active cases, not deaths.

Disagree, there has not been the decrease in infections after the first wave like we've seen in other countries.

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I know you want to make everything about "the Orange Bad-Man" but believe it or not, there was an America before Trump and the social mistrust and anger preceeded him. There is also America's ethos of rugged individualism and vaunted freedom of expression that makes taking collective society-wide actions to control a viral pandemic difficult, no matter who is president. If Biden is elected president, you will see that despite whatever actions he may take, virus numbers and deaths won't substantially change until there are effective vaccines and/or treatments.

 

So the take away from your comments is quality of presidential leadership in the USA is irrelevant - don't believe you, nor does history support your argument.

4 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I think it's pretty clear, and China has shown, that the only way to get a handle on the  virus is a large scale complete lockdown of the population and shutdown of all non-essential economic and social activity for a 2-3 month period. The question is whether there is the political and social will in the America's and Europe to do this...so far there hasn't been and the virus is running unabated.

Why do people ignore how Japan handled it. That is "pretty clear".... 100,000 TOTAL cases whereas US approaching 100,000 new cases per day. 1,756 TOTAL deaths. US hits that every two days. How did they do it? Citizens responded to science, not lies from politicians. Aggressive test and trace ASAP.

If USA had done the same as Japan, total deaths would have amounted to 3,000. Not 220,000 plus. Japan is also more crowded and has older population.

Taiwan has had SEVEN deaths and 554 cases. (23.8 million population) If US did as they did, about 7,600 deaths

South Korea has had 26,511 cases and 464 deaths (population 51 million) If US did as they did, about 3,000 deaths

Those are all democracies. They have social and political will

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Seeing how the virus has come roaring back, I guess all the leaders of Europe are "utter losers" too (funny how I never see this on the Forum).

 

Deflection, Europe has no relevance to topic.

1 minute ago, Emdog said:

Why do people ignore how Japan handled it. That is "pretty clear".... 100,000 TOTAL cases whereas US approaching 100,000 new cases per day. 1,756 TOTAL deaths. US hits that every two days. How did they do it? Citizens responded to science, not lies from politicians. Aggressive test and trace ASAP.

If USA had done the same as Japan, total deaths would have amounted to 3,000. Not 220,000 plus. Japan is also more crowded and has older population.

Taiwan has had SEVEN deaths and 554 cases. (23.8 million population) If US did as they did, about 7,600 deaths

South Korea has had 26,511 cases and 464 deaths (population 51 million) If US did as they did, about 3,000 deaths

Those are all democracies. They have social and political will

Exactly. It is known since the first weeks of epidemic in SK. Few other countries tried to imitate them, except to some extent Germany.

14 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

So the take away from your comments is quality of presidential leadership in the USA is irrelevant - don't believe you, nor does history support your argument.

In this unique situation of a viral pandemic it doesn't...it other contexts (war, the economy, social issues) it likely does.

1 minute ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

In this unique situation of a viral pandemic it doesn't...it other contexts (war, the economy, social issues) it likely does.

 

Disagree - trump has established an extremely poor example of behaviour, copied and evident at his rallies as well as Covid mitigation protests by his supporters. trump is a disgrace for failing to step up to one of his primary roles; responsibility for the protection and safety of the American people.

16 minutes ago, Emdog said:

Why do people ignore how Japan handled it. That is "pretty clear".... 100,000 TOTAL cases whereas US approaching 100,000 new cases per day. 1,756 TOTAL deaths. US hits that every two days. How did they do it? Citizens responded to science, not lies from politicians. Aggressive test and trace ASAP.

If USA had done the same as Japan, total deaths would have amounted to 3,000. Not 220,000 plus. Japan is also more crowded and has older population.

Taiwan has had SEVEN deaths and 554 cases. (23.8 million population) If US did as they did, about 7,600 deaths

South Korea has had 26,511 cases and 464 deaths (population 51 million) If US did as they did, about 3,000 deaths

Those are all democracies. They have social and political will

You're making my point for me...Asians and Asian culture is different and almost has built-in protections against a virus spreading, e.g., something as simple as no tough greetings (Japan a bow and Thailand a wai). In no Asian country that I know of is there physical touching when people greet each other...whereas it's the exact opposite in every Western society. Japan is a conundrum even to epidemiologist as to their low cases/deaths, especially as they never had a legally enforced lockdown period. However, it is again a naturally socially distanced culture, people are already used to wearing masks during flu season so wearing them for Covid was nothing new, and the population's much better health profile vs. the West are probably all factors in Japan's relatively low numbers.

25 minutes ago, Emdog said:

Why do people ignore how Japan handled it. That is "pretty clear".... 100,000 TOTAL cases whereas US approaching 100,000 new cases per day. 1,756 TOTAL deaths. US hits that every two days. How did they do it? Citizens responded to science, not lies from politicians. Aggressive test and trace ASAP.

If USA had done the same as Japan, total deaths would have amounted to 3,000. Not 220,000 plus. Japan is also more crowded and has older population.

Taiwan has had SEVEN deaths and 554 cases. (23.8 million population) If US did as they did, about 7,600 deaths

South Korea has had 26,511 cases and 464 deaths (population 51 million) If US did as they did, about 3,000 deaths

Those are all democracies. They have social and political will

Collective thinking versus individualism.

27 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

In this unique situation of a viral pandemic it doesn't...it other contexts (war, the economy, social issues) it likely does.

 

really?  you think the behavior of the president, the leader in times of crisis, is irrelevant?

 

when the man in charge ignores his qualified science advisers, eventually replacing them with a fox news hack?  when he removes responsibility for daily briefings from the cdc, in favor of holding a reality teevee performance?  when he suggests insane treatments like injecting disinfectant into the lungs?  when he advances unproven remedies?  when he re-tweets conspiracy theory posts?  when he claims the virus is a hoax, it'll magically disappear?  when he tells his supporters to "liberate" their states?  when he claims wearing masks is a political statement against him personally?

 

sad.  bigly sad.

We can go over the last year but lets just look at the last day. It's almost unbelievable if you consider that the President is making fun of, or ignoring, the virus. He made fun of Laura Ingraham today for wearing a mask calling it politically correct. He says today that doctors report deaths as Covid to make money.

He holds 3 rallies that put the actual lives of his supporters and others, who get near his supporters, at risk. A thousand people die and his son says to Laura Ingraham today that deaths are down to almost nothing.

It is the actions of a cult leader. Someone who thinks he is  above the rules that relate to you or I. It's not funny Pattaya Spotter. He's got to go.

from the memory hole:

A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful. Steve, please.

 

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-coronavirus-press-conference-transcript-april-23

 

or you can watch it all here:

 

https://www.c-span.org/video/?471458-1/president-trump-coronavirus-task-force-briefing

 

 

Trump says some Americans wear coronavirus masks to signal disapproval of him

 

President Donald Trump said some Americans might wear face masks not as a way to prevent the spread of coronavirus but as a way to signal disapproval of him.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/18/trump-says-some-wear-coronavirus-masks-to-signal-disapproval-of-him.html

 

 

17 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

He holds 3 rallies that put the actual lives of his supporters and others, who get near his supporters, at risk.

Their bodies...their choice [to attend a rally]...isn't that an official Democrat Party talking point?

1 hour ago, candide said:

From your graph, it can be seen that the second wave started around one month later in the USA. So numbers are not comparable. After one month, they may well be similar or worse in the US.

 

About the number of deaths, It may be that the virus is less deadly as it mainly infected young people, or for other reasons. However, we also need to wait around one month to be able to check it in Europe, as there is a lag between infection date and death date.

Second wave?? I think the first one is still there

 

6 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Their bodies...their choice [to attend a rally]...isn't that an official Democrat Party talking point?

He's the president. Some of his supporters are not that smart or intellectually thoughtful, some appear to have turned off their objectivity on the issue and just look to him for guidance and believe in him. They may be good hardworking people but are just not that clever. You've seen the interviews. You know about QANON.  Maybe there belief in a god hinders their critical thinking. I am just postulating on the reasons but the bottom line is that you expect so much more from the leader of the free world.

Would you do it? Would you hold an event knowing people who trust you may die or become sick due to your actions? People likely have died and more will die. Herman Cain for example.

I am talking to you directly to say don't hold Trump to a different standard to that which you would hold yourself. 

And this is something the stable genius forgot to do:

The U.S. restrictions that took effect Feb. 2 continued to allow travel to the U.S. from China’s Hong Kong and Macao territories over the past five months. The Associated Press reported that more than 8,000 Chinese and foreign nationals based in those territories entered the U.S. in the first three months after the travel restrictions were imposed.

https://apnews.com/article/d227b34b168e576bf5068b92a03c003d

Heard Trump last night saying that they will have a safe, workable vaccine with a few days now and everyone will get it free of charge, so nothing to worry about.

 

If ever there was a desperate man then here he is!  And still he has his supporters lapping up the lies. 

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

As Biden said: follow the science, amongst others avoid public gatherings, tracking and tracing, testing, quarantines.

Because it worked so well in Europe...it's not the science [Democrat talking point] it's the legal, social, and government structure.

 

France, Germany on lockdown as Covid-stricken Europe braces for tough winter
"The virus is circulating at a speed that not even the most pessimistic forecasts had anticipated," French President Emmanuel Macron said.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/france-germany-lockdown-covid-stricken-europe-braces-tough-winter-n1245225

According to Donald we are turning the curve of the pandemic and yet nearly a hundred thousand new cases on Friday and America having the highest death toll in the world.

 

Trump's rally in Minnesota restricted to 350 people because of Covid-19 concerns.  Is anyone on the same page in the USA?

It really makes me wonder what is driving this virus. I sit here in Japan, there was never a lockdown or anything like that, people are basically going about their lives as normal.  And there are between 5 and 10 covid related deaths per day. So I really wonder what the factors are that drive the disease.  

In the recently posted list of the Trump administration's achievements was the success in their handling of the pandemic. 

It would be laughable were it not such a blatant untruth.

 

And the rally attendees suck it all up. 

6 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The European lockdowns are only partial, with many exceptions; that's why they failed the first time and will likely again. Not sure what Trump's bank balance has to do with Covid...I'll just put it down to a typical anti-Trump non-sequiter. 

You realize that the typical trump supporter he attracts is the uneducated. He loves them,

His denial motivation is purely financial which has always been the appearance of the booming stock market. Hence....let that sink in for a while.

Trump is not a career politician? LOL, first thing he'll do if he gets back in will be try to extended the mandated two terms, or establish a dynasty with him pulling the strings.

He does share the trait of nearly all politicians, kicking the can down the road.

The economic recovery is still about 1.5 percentage points behind when he took office, how many sugar hits do you think he has left?

27 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

It really makes me wonder what is driving this virus. I sit here in Japan, there was never a lockdown or anything like that, people are basically going about their lives as normal.  And there are between 5 and 10 covid related deaths per day. So I really wonder what the factors are that drive the disease.  

In America's case, stupidity.

7 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

You realize that the typical trump supporter he attracts is the uneducated. He loves them,

His denial motivation is purely financial which has always been the appearance of the booming stock market. Hence....let that sink in for a while.

70% of your fellow Americans are "uneducated [no college degree]" Earl...maybe you should get to know some of them, and their struggles in life, rather than mocking them. It's not a very good look. MLK and Mother Teresa loved the poor and uneducated too.

40 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

It really makes me wonder what is driving this virus. I sit here in Japan, there was never a lockdown or anything like that, people are basically going about their lives as normal.  And there are between 5 and 10 covid related deaths per day. So I really wonder what the factors are that drive the disease.  

I've expounded my cultural theory of the viruses spread...why it has basically disappeared in Asia but is back with a vengeance in the West. We'll see if it holds through the supposedly dangerous Winter season.

16 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

In America's case, stupidity.

And Europe's? 

10 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

70% of your fellow Americans are "uneducated [no college degree]" Earl...maybe you should get to know some of them, and their struggles in life, rather than mocking them. It's not a very good look. MLK and Mother Teresa loved the poor and uneducated too.

I don't think MLK or Mother Teresa were trying to make a profit from them.

 

5 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

50% think socialism is the wave of the future. 'nuff said.

AFAIK most Americans regard socialism as a form of leprosy, because they don't know any better. There are many countries that use elements of socialism very successfully to the benefit of their people.

Which would you prefer, America's greed-driven health system, or Australia's socialised one? Don't bother answering if you are a billionaire.