Anxiety, suspicion exacerbate U.S. post-election uncertainty

[meechai]

Gotta admit here in the US the feeling I am getting from friends/neighbors etc is...

The longer it takes the stranger it gets.

It is getting hard to believe any outcome will be truly accurate + the oddities of this year already made things tenuous but now?

 

I mean to be honest no president in the past 6 decades touched my life personally in any meaningful way

so we are not really troubled by it all but....It makes the whole system look once again beautifully broken

Edited November 5, 2020 by meechai

[Jeffr2]

A relatively update to date report on where things stand in the 5 states that are left.  Today, here in Thailand, we should know about PA, probably late afternoon. 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/05/politics/vote-count-key-states/index.html

[J Town]

13 hours ago, Paul Henry said:

Don't think Trump will get far with his petty frivolous claims. His lawyers don't have the ability  to fight their way out a wet paper bag. 

HOW can you SAY that?!? They have Rudy at the helm!

[JCauto]

14 hours ago, connda said:

Move elections and voting to the block-chain and all this nonsense is avoided.  But that will never happen.  A segment of the population wants the electoral processes to be maintained like those in third-world countries.  That way the results can be obfuscated when needed, like this election cycle.

Now there's a sensible proposal. Wonder why the incumbent didn't try it?

[Jeffr2]

3 minutes ago, JCauto said:

Now there's a sensible proposal. Wonder why the incumbent didn't try it?

Because it would put the GOP in a very weak position. 

[JCauto]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

Because it would put the GOP in a very weak position. 

T'was a rhetorical question, but you got the right answer.

[Jeffr2]

3 minutes ago, JCauto said:

T'was a rhetorical question, but you got the right answer.

Sorry!  But it's an interesting read why the GOP doesn't want to change things.  They are experts at gerrymandering.  And court packing.

 

Read an interesting article.  6 out of 9 supreme court justices were put there by a party that represents a minority of the US.  And in a few cases, under presidents who got there with a minority of the popular vote.  Insane.

[J Town]

At this moment, barring any wild anomaly, 45 has two choices:

 

1. Stop the vote count and lose the election or,

2. Continue the vote count and lose the election

[Jeffr2]

Such lovely people protesting outside the office where they are counting ballots in Phoenix.  Nutters.

 

[Jeffr2]

Go home.  Let the workers do their jobs.

[Jingthing]

17 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Go home.  Let the workers do their jobs.

Maybe they miss the Super Spreader event rallies.

[Agusts]

Nice post earlier about seperating California and changing constitution etc. , I'm not sure about California ever happens, but don't you think for choosing a president they should just go with the majority populace vote of the country and do away with this state electoral vote madness....!!!? 

Those are okay for Senate or Parliament etc., but a president needs to have majority support of the whole nation, not just in Iowa or a few other states.....! 

 

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5 hours ago, meechai said:

Gotta admit here in the US the feeling I am getting from friends/neighbors etc is...

The longer it takes the stranger it gets.

It is getting hard to believe any outcome will be truly accurate + the oddities of this year already made things tenuous but now?

 

I mean to be honest no president in the past 6 decades touched my life personally in any meaningful way

so we are not really troubled by it all but....It makes the whole system look once again beautifully broken

 

[Jeffr2]

20 minutes ago, Agusts said:

Nice post earlier about seperating California and changing constitution etc. , I'm not sure about California ever happens, but don't you think for choosing a president they should just go with the majority populace vote of the country and do away with this state electoral vote madness....!!!? 

Those are okay for Senate or Parliament etc., but a president needs to have majority support of the whole nation, not just in Iowa or a few other states.....! 

 

One of the biggest problems is the senate.  Wyoming has some 500k residents and has 2 votes in the senate.  California has some 39 MILLION and has 2 votes in the senate.  That's wrong.

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Just now, placeholder said:

 

Just more misleading info wrapped in a guise of readonableness from aTrump supporter. The system is working really well in tallying an accurate count of the voters. That is its crucial function. To claim it's broke whether beautifully or otherwise is just a covert way of supporting  Trump's campaign of disinformation.

[Agusts]

49 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

One of the biggest problems is the senate.  Wyoming has some 500k residents and has 2 votes in the senate.  California has some 39 MILLION and has 2 votes in the senate.  That's wrong.

Vow, I had no idea, that's crazy, I thought it was something close to a proportional representation like the House.... , the US of A is not that much of real democracy, kind of a skewed version...!!! 

 

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, Agusts said:

Nice post earlier about seperating California and changing constitution etc. , I'm not sure about California ever happens, but don't you think for choosing a president they should just go with the majority populace vote of the country and do away with this state electoral vote madness....!!!? 

Those are okay for Senate or Parliament etc., but a president needs to have majority support of the whole nation, not just in Iowa or a few other states.....! 

 

these 100+ years old law should be updated and allow for presidents to be elected with popular vote, stop that silly non sense electoral vote system that only benefits the minority (republicans) of americans

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54 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Just more misleading info wrapped in a guise of reasonableness from aTrump supporter. The system is working really well in tallying an accurate count of the voters. That is its crucial function. To claim it's broke whether beautifully or otherwise is just a covert way of supporting  Trump's campaign of disinformation.

Just edited my post to correct "readonableness" to "reasonableness".

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, wwest5829 said:

If they are ballots from registered voters postmarked by Election Day, they are valid votes ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/11/03/election-ballot-delays-usps/

USPS data shows thousands of mailed ballots missed Election Day deadlines

The Postal Service ignored a federal judge’s order to sweep processing plants on Tuesday after more than 300,000 scanned ballots could not be traced.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Agusts said:

Nice post earlier about seperating California and changing constitution etc. , I'm not sure about California ever happens, but don't you think for choosing a president they should just go with the majority populace vote of the country and do away with this state electoral vote madness....!!!? 

Those are okay for Senate or Parliament etc., but a president needs to have majority support of the whole nation, not just in Iowa or a few other states.....! 

 

No way. It's a union of many states and if it were simple majority NY and California would dictate the president every time. The farsighted founding fathers realised that and enacted law to prevent it. The electoral college is working exactly as it should. Wise men those founding fathers.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

One of the biggest problems is the senate.  Wyoming has some 500k residents and has 2 votes in the senate.  California has some 39 MILLION and has 2 votes in the senate.  That's wrong.

It's absolutely correct. All states are EQUAL, ergo they get EQUAL representation in the senate.

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3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's absolutely correct. All states are EQUAL, ergo they get EQUAL representation in the senate.

Not only that, they get equal representation in the House of Representatives, too!!! Because the states are all equal. Or maybe not???

[wwest5829]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No way. It's a union of many states and if it were simple majority NY and California would dictate the president every time. The farsighted founding fathers realised that and enacted law to prevent it. The electoral college is working exactly as it should. Wise men those founding fathers.

 

 

I do not disagree with the founding fathers establishing the Electoral College as a counterweight but the reasoning was not an anticipation of where or in which state the bulk of the people would choose ... especially as there would not be a geographical USA as we know it for over a century.

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10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No way. It's a union of many states and if it were simple majority NY and California would dictate the president every time. The farsighted founding fathers realised that and enacted law to prevent it. The electoral college is working exactly as it should. Wise men those founding fathers.

 

 

Really. It's true that in the last 8 presidential elections the Republicans have been in the minority popular vote all except once and that once was in the period when the Iraq War was still a popular cause. But before that, they didn't seem to have a problem getting elected? Why do you think that is?

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

I do not disagree with the founding fathers establishing the Electoral College as a counterweight but the reasoning was not an anticipation of where or in which state the bulk of the people would choose ... especially as there would not be a geographical USA as we know it for over a century.

They were very farsighted, IMO. They certainly got it right whatever the reason.

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's absolutely correct. All states are EQUAL, ergo they get EQUAL representation in the senate.

Ummm...California wasn't even state back then.  Time for some changes.

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5 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

I do not disagree with the founding fathers establishing the Electoral College as a counterweight but the reasoning was not an anticipation of where or in which state the bulk of the people would choose ... especially as there would not be a geographical USA as we know it for over a century.

Actually the electoral college was an unhappy compromise due to the slave states. Same reason that each slave counted for 3/5 of a person in the census. That was done to increase the clout of the slave states.

[Agusts]

Union of states...!, then a president which rules the whole country...!, and all of this written a couple of centuries ago, well if it's not working very well, time for an upgrade, even my oldest Android app gets an upgrade every once in a while... lol ????

 

Founding fathers and all that are old news, every region or country need a review according to modern life and civilization, you can not expect those fathers foresee the world and predict everything for many centuries ahead - they did the best they could for the time...

 

It seems to me USA will have a hard time with such a division for years to come , no matter who comes to power, maybe split it to Rep. Dem. countries and done with it ..!  (I know most Americans love Brexit and break up of EU , but not so much about separate States of America...!?)

 

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Ummm...California wasn't even state back then.  Time for some changes.

correct, back then, if my memory serves me,  it was Mexican territory. Old laws should be brought to date, the US has grown a lot, more diversity citizens/population, new cities, etc...

[thaibeachlovers]

40 minutes ago, Agusts said:

Union of states...!, then a president which rules the whole country...!, and all of this written a couple of centuries ago, well if it's not working very well, time for an upgrade, even my oldest Android app gets an upgrade every once in a while... lol ????

 

Founding fathers and all that are old news, every region or country need a review according to modern life and civilization, you can not expect those fathers foresee the world and predict everything for many centuries ahead - they did the best they could for the time...

 

It seems to me USA will have a hard time with such a division for years to come , no matter who comes to power, maybe split it to Rep. Dem. countries and done with it ..!  (I know most Americans love Brexit and break up of EU , but not so much about separate States of America...!?)

 

Good luck changing the constitution, LOL.