Explainer: Citizen Trump will face legal woes

[Salerno]

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Wasn't a law enacted that puts your federal pension out of reach if convicted of a felony.

 

No idea, I'd like to think so but ...

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Good question  

I assume yes.

He's probably also entitled to secret service protection in the hoosegow.

 

 

Plus he votes in Florida, right? And hasn't Florida, in defiance of the law, severely restricted voting rights for felons?

[ThailandRyan]

5 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

No idea, I'd like to think so but ...

I think it was called the "Hiss Act" but might be for only high crimes and treason convictions.

[Salerno]

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

I think it was called the "Hiss Act" but might be for only high crimes and treason convictions.

 

Thanks for the info, made it easy to find.

 

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In 1961, however, Congress amended the law to prohibit the payment of pensions only for convictions for serious national security-related offenses.

https://globalanticorruptionblog.com/2017/07/28/corruption-and-federal-pensions-a-case-for-rewriting-the-hiss-act/

 

 

[pegman]

5 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I don't know whether he is going to jail or not. Having said that, if I was one of his lawyers I'd be wanting my money up front.

 With his reputation that applies to all goods and services. 

[Caldera]

I can't quite decide if I think he will get arrested or bankrupted first.

 

[Sujo]

Just now, Caldera said:

I can't quite decide if I think he will get arrested or bankrupted first.

 

I prefer arrested. He doesnt care about bankruptcy, thats just a normal day for him.

[natway09]

They will not send an ex President to jail, but he could become very poor very quickly

once he leaves office

[dunroaming]

I think we should all take a moment.  The Trump supporters should show some dignity and accept that their hero was beaten fairly and squarely and the rest of us should maybe stop rubbing salt in the wounds.

 

The USA  needs to try and heal the vast chasm that Trump has created but it is going to be a slow process.  It may well take a generation  to achieve.

[onthedarkside]

Folks, let's cease and desist with all the trolling fake images/graphics of Trump, and any other candidates... they're against forum rules. Don't go there...

 

[Old Croc]

All very well calling for this narcissistic criminal to be locked up, but it should be remembered that around 70m Americans voted for, and still hero worship their cult leader.

Don't forget the most radical of them do whatever he tells them, such as beating up reporters at his rallies, storming buildings fully armed, attacking peaceful demonstrators with chemical weapons, kidnapping children of asylum seekers or even a recalcitrant state governor.

 It's yet to be seen how their anger at him losing and the belief he has fostered about being cheated will manifest itself on the streets.

It's been proven that disciples of these cult figures are not easily rehabilitated away from the toxic ideas imprinted into their impressionable minds.

It might be better for the healing process of the country to follow the Thai method of allowing self exile.

[gamini]

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

His creditors will immediately start foreclosures, they want their money out before the Federal and State Governments take it all.

 

This is the start of stripping away the facade of lies and fakery that is Donald Trump, it’s going to leave an awful lot of people with nowhere to hide from the fact that he’s conned them. 

 

 

 

 

He has a $400 million loan coming up soon. He can be sued if he doesn't pay and I'm sure he can't

[cmarshall]

1 hour ago, natway09 said:

They will not send an ex President to jail, but he could become very poor very quickly

once he leaves office

NY Atty General would be quite happy to send Trump to jail.  Or the Manhattan DA.

[watthong]

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

I think we should all take a moment.  The Trump supporters should show some dignity and accept that their hero was beaten fairly and squarely and the rest of us should maybe stop rubbing salt in the wounds.

 

The USA  needs to try and heal the vast chasm that Trump has created but it is going to be a slow process.  It may well take a generation  to achieve.

 

Sorry but I still have many a kilo of salt accumulated through the last 4 years of thirst for decency, empathy, etc.

Edited November 8, 2020 by watthong

[Mayhem11]

My fond dream is that when he sneaks out of the White House that a pair of very large federal marshalls apprehend him and put manacles on him for a ride to New York.   If anyone is a flight risk it is him.

Edited November 8, 2020 by Mayhem11

[Mayhem11]

14 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

His creditors will immediately start foreclosures, they want their money out before the Federal and State Governments take it all.

 

This is the start of stripping away the facade of lies and fakery that is Donald Trump, it’s going to leave an awful lot of people with nowhere to hide from the fact that he’s conned them. 

 

 

 

 

 

14 hours ago, alianware said:

Stupid !! 

If trump goes to jail than biden and family, hillary-clinton's family and and all the companies behind will also go to jail. 

Dont be stupid !!! 

Scotty please beam this fatuous boof head up and spirit him of to the planet in your dreams.

[stevenl]

13 minutes ago, Mayhem11 said:

My fond dream is that when he sneaks out of the White House that a pair of very large federal marshalls apprehend him and put manacles on him for a ride to New York.   If anyone is a flight risk it is him.

Why not a chaingang march, cleaning the roads while going there? The whole family finally gets to spend time together.

Edited November 8, 2020 by stevenl

[billd766]

8 hours ago, placnx said:

All of the defaults and criminal charges will be bad for their business franchising the name Trump. The whole empire may crumble.

 

Oh dear, how sad, never mind lovely boy.

Edited November 8, 2020 by billd766
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[KhunFred]

I want to see this sociopath in prison. Best case scenario is that he dies before being incarcerated.

[teacherclaire]

Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance, who enforces New York state laws, has been conducting a criminal investigation into Trump and the Trump Organization for more than two years.

 

    The law should be the same for all. Time to go in for a while and eat some <deleted>. 

 

They won't do the soap falling part with this ugly man and his hair will soon look very different. 

[teacherclaire]

8 minutes ago, KhunFred said:

I want to see this sociopath in prison. Best case scenario is that he dies before being incarcerated.

 

He doesn't care about others, so why would anybody care about him?

 

  He's  brought the US back to the 18th century and it takes a long time to recover.

 

  

[CharlieH]

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[joecoolfrog]

17 hours ago, stevenl said:

Agree with you, but a preemptive pardon will solve this issue for Trump.

Only partly.

[bendejo]

11 hours ago, Salerno said:

 

Three years old but still a decent explanation/history: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobfrenkel/2017/07/21/president-trump-can-preemptively-pardon-his-advisors-and-family-but-will-he/?sh=4f58b9ab6c3b

 

At this point, anyone who thinks DT is going to do something (or not do something) because it is improper or immoral, well, don't take a sea voyage, you're liable to fall off the edge of the flat Earth.

He's reluctant to send his kids to prison, but what about Jared?  On the other hand maybe no actual time in The Big House because of the virus (like Cohen, Manafort,...).

 

 

[candide]

28 minutes ago, bendejo said:

 

At this point, anyone who thinks DT is going to do something (or not do something) because it is improper or immoral, well, don't take a sea voyage, you're liable to fall off the edge of the flat Earth.

He's reluctant to send his kids to prison, but what about Jared?  On the other hand maybe no actual time in The Big House because of the virus (like Cohen, Manafort,...).

 

 

Lol! Jared will betray him first! ????

[watthong]

12 hours ago, bendejo said:

They should go after every deal these clowns pursued, full transparency, each getting their due.  There has been so many we can't remember them all over the past four years: Zinke, Pruitt, et al.  Biden should put someone like Eric Holder in charge of neutering the rats. 

 

I've been salivating over Bill Barr... He's at the top of my most-wanted Trump stooge list. (At the other end is darling Louis "Joie de Vivre".) Been wondering which ax man I should get, Neal Katyal for one and Glenn Kirschner for the other? With Trump I would simply dust off good old Berman and let him and Tish take their turn.

[bendejo]

52 minutes ago, watthong said:

 

I've been salivating over Bill Barr... He's at the top of my most-wanted Trump stooge list. (At the other end is darling Louis "Joie de Vivre".) Been wondering which ax man I should get, Neal Katyal for one and Glenn Kirschner for the other? With Trump I would simply dust off good old Berman and let him and Tish take their turn.

 

For some of these guys the tracks are already laid out, one of De Joy's buddies was charged a few weeks ago

https://www.alternet.org/2020/10/top-trump-donor-and-former-rnc-finance-chair-charged-in-foreign-lobbying-scheme/

Other notables to watch on the finances side are Parscale and Guilfoyle, and that's just starters.

Barr, sometimes, seems to have the sense to back off.  When contempt of Congress was threatened he knew enough to cave in: that was what brought Nixon down.  My guess is he's in tight with some of the Federal judges appointed during the DT regime and he thinks he's going to skate by because of this.  Haven't heard a peep from him on this fraudulent election fraud stuff.

Myself, I'm waiting for the release of the Mueller report and/or a whole new UNHINDERED investigation of the relationship with Putin and all things Russian.  Just think, the first former US president to be charged with treason!  Jeff Sessions may be a weasel but he had the sense to back away from a fire.  It takes big brass ones to release a document that looks like this:

 

 

Never mind drain the swamp, the new slogan is FLUSH THE TOILET!

 

DT is already lamenting how the presidency ruined his life, but just wait until they start the deep digging and get the story behind stunts like this:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/7/1641165/-Trump-s-never-opened-hotel-in-Azerbaijan-is-possibly-a-money-laundering-bombshell

 

Rachel Maddow usually keeps the language clean on her show, but it was her gf that said this building looks like a, ahem. lady part. 

 

Edited November 8, 2020 by bendejo

[cmarshall]

3 hours ago, watthong said:

 

I've been salivating over Bill Barr... He's at the top of my most-wanted Trump stooge list. (At the other end is darling Louis "Joie de Vivre".) Been wondering which ax man I should get, Neal Katyal for one and Glenn Kirschner for the other? With Trump I would simply dust off good old Berman and let him and Tish take their turn.

Louis DeJoy may have broken the law by interfering with US mail delivery, but I am not sure what law Barr might have broken.  He should have been impeached and removed for showing favor to those of Trump's cronies who have been convicted, but did he break a law by doing so?

[whaleboneman]

11 hours ago, dunroaming said:

I think we should all take a moment.  The Trump supporters should show some dignity and accept that their hero was beaten fairly and squarely and the rest of us should maybe stop rubbing salt in the wounds.

 

The USA  needs to try and heal the vast chasm that Trump has created but it is going to be a slow process.  It may well take a generation  to achieve.

After listening to this numpty for four years, I know there isn't enough salt.

[RJRS1301]

15 minutes ago, whaleboneman said:

After listening to this numpty for four years, I know there isn't enough salt.

Be nice if the current admin, and Biden await due process, then both sides (of course Trump cannot) act with dignity, and get about repairing the damage. His legal issues are personal and should also go through due process