Biden stresses importance of Northern Irish peace deal in first call to PM Johnson

[cmarshall]

7 hours ago, Pilotman said:

if he did, then he is one more arrogant A Hole in the White House.  There have been a lot of them so we're used to them.  BJ will do what's best for the UK,  including NI, regardless, i hope, of the many  IRA apologists in America. 

 

Boris doesn't have to follow Biden's suggestion that he not violate the Good Friday Agreement.  Only if he wants a trade agreement with the USA.  So, what does Boris think is best for the sovereign UK now?

[bannork]

4 hours ago, Mavideol said:

and you are still using the same blame game over and over, can't you just admit the possibility of the other side (Brexiters) being responsible for the failures, could it be 50/50 or 60/40 or 75/25 or maybe 90/10 chose the % side as it fits your blame 555

It's 100% the fault of the Brexiteers. If they hadn't voted for such idiocy in the first place the UK wouldn't be in the dire straits it's rapidly heading for. 

 

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49 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Biden still has to keep in mind: many US citizens are of Irish descent: About 33 million Americans — 10.1% of the total population — identified as being Irish in the 2017 American Community Survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau. This compares with a population of 6.9 million people on the island of Ireland.

Some say Biden hasn't forgotten Johnson's remark about Obama being part Kenyan and thus predisposed to an ancestral dislike of the UK. Still, hopefully there'll be a new UK PM before spring.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, Mike Teavee said:

So show me the ballot where Northern Ireland agreed to leave the rest of the UK (Yes I know NI voted to stay in the EU but the ballot was about leaving the EU not leaving the UK). 

 

Without a deal between the EU & the UK a border has to go between one of... 

1. (Rest of) EU <--> Republic or Ireland
2. Republic of Ireland <--> Northern Ireland
3. Northern Ireland <--> (Rest of) UK. 

EU (& Biden) are proposing number 3 as if this will maintain the piece between RI & NI, anybody can see that this will just cause the "Troubles" to start again with NI Unionists (quite rightly) claiming it cuts them off from the rest of the UK. 

 

A deal is the only way of maintaining the peace in Ireland, failing that Option 1 is much more likely to maintain the peace than options 2 or 3.

 

 

 

It’s not like Brexiteers we’re not warned of this problem.

 

Your option 1 is the kind of nonsense that defines Brexit.

[Neeranam]

What am I missing here? What has NI got to do with Biden and the USA? 

[Pilotman]

49 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Biden still has to keep in mind: many US citizens are of Irish descent: About 33 million Americans — 10.1% of the total population — identified as being Irish in the 2017 American Community Survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau. This compares with a population of 6.9 million people on the island of Ireland.

totally irrelevant. I am of Russian and English decent and I have no time for Russia or any of its polices.  The Yanks need to stop rabbiting on about their Irish descent,,  If they thought that much of Ireland, they would still be there.  I suppose that if you haven't got a National history of your own that is worth a damn, you invent one, 

[dunroaming]

24 minutes ago, bannork said:

It's 100% the fault of the Brexiteers. If they hadn't voted for such idiocy in the first place the UK wouldn't be in the dire straits it's rapidly heading for. 

 

Actually I don't blame the Brexiteer public, just the individuals who sold the public a pup.  Brexit sounded very doable if they had only been telling the truth at the time.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

totally irrelevant. I am of Russian and English decent and I have no time for Russia or any of its polices.  The Yanks need to stop rabbiting on about their Irish descent,,  If they thought that much of Ireland, they would still be there.  I suppose that if you haven't got a National history of your own that is worth a damn, you invent one, 

Let me reintroduce you to the reality you are trying to wish away.

 

Very many Americans are of Irish descent and are rightly very proud of their ancestry.

They also have a different view of the history between Ireland and the rest of the UK, it’s not one that is flattering of the English or Scott’s.

 

Added to which, the US itself has a history with  Britain and kicking the British out is a piece of American history that is worth a damn and does not need inventing. Moreover, it is a history which resonates in American attitudes,  regardless of their ancestry, towards the unification of Ireland and London’s dealings with Ireland.

 

Its a political reality the English need to come to terms with.

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40 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

totally irrelevant. I am of Russian and English decent and I have no time for Russia or any of its polices.  The Yanks need to stop rabbiting on about their Irish descent,,  If they thought that much of Ireland, they would still be there.  I suppose that if you haven't got a National history of your own that is worth a damn, you invent one, 

Well, if you think history stopped at 1899, you may have a point. How is it that historians refer to the 20th century? What country's name do they attach to it? Is it the British century? No, I don't think so. Can you help me come up with that elusive word?

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[lungbing]

7 hours ago, Traubert said:

Is there any American politicians that don't cling to some sort of British/Irish ancestry?

 

Just be American.

Those with claimed Cherokee blood, perhaps.

[Neeranam]

41 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

They also have a different view of the history between Ireland and the rest of the UK, it’s not one that is flattering of the English or Scott’s.

It's Scots. At least you never wrote 'Scotch' ???? 

[John Drake]

13 hours ago, webfact said:

Biden, who has talked about the importance of his Irish heritage,

 

I thought he was Welsh?  Family going down into coal mines and such.

[Scott Tracy]

55 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, if you think history stopped at 1899, you may have a point. How is it that historians refer to the 20th century? What country's name do they attach to it? Is it the British century? No, I don't think so. Can you help me come up with that elusive word?

 

Irish American is 2 words.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Pilotman said:

totally irrelevant. I am of Russian and English decent and I have no time for Russia or any of its polices.  The Yanks need to stop rabbiting on about their Irish descent,,  If they thought that much of Ireland, they would still be there.  I suppose that if you haven't got a National history of your own that is worth a damn, you invent one, 

I get you now. You know, Americans don't really care about Brits looking down on them. At least you've got it better than Canadians who seems to seem to think about the USA constantly while Americans only think of Canada when threatening to flee there after an election. But the last laugh is with Canada. Canada doesn't want them 

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[CG1 Blue]

14 hours ago, webfact said:

But Johnson has put forward legislation that would break the Northern Ireland protocol of the Brexit divorce treaty that seeks to avoid a physical customs border between the British province and EU-member Ireland.

Why do news agencies like Reuters get away with putting out false information?! 

The IMB does not break the NI protocol. It simply makes it possible for the protocol to be broken if the EU make aggressive moves stopping trade between NI and the mainland. 

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3 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Why do news agencies like Reuters get away with putting out false information?! 

The IMB does not break the NI protocol. It simply makes it possible for the protocol to be broken if the EU make aggressive moves stopping trade between NI and the mainland. 

If you legitimize the right to break a protocol, that means you no longer recognize the protocol as binding. It's a nullity. That is breaking the agreement or treaty.

[CG1 Blue]

14 hours ago, webfact said:

That prompted a warning two months ago from Biden, who has talked about the importance of his Irish heritage

His heritage is SO important that he's never visited Ireland, apart from once in 2016 as part of his duties under Obama. Yeah, it's really important to you Joe. You keep telling yourself that ????

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

If you legitimize the right to break a protocol, that means you no longer recognize the protocol as binding. It's a nullity. That is breaking the agreement or treaty.

Has the protocol been broken? 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not necessary, Davis was always well oiled and ill prepared.

 

 

 

 

And forced to dance around the Maypole. BREXSEC in name only, no wonder he quit that hag.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s not like Brexiteers we’re not warned of this problem.

 

Your option 1 is the kind of nonsense that defines Brexit.

 

Project FufufuF  Fear back again.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, John Drake said:

 

I thought he was Welsh?  Family going down into coal mines and such.

I think he refers to the coal mines of Pennsylvania but I can't find any direct family association as miners.

[nauseus]

20 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

His heritage is SO important that he's never visited Ireland, apart from once in 2016 as part of his duties under Obama. Yeah, it's really important to you Joe. You keep telling yourself that ????

 

 

 

O'Bama lol.

[Chomper Higgot]

24 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

His heritage is SO important that he's never visited Ireland, apart from once in 2016 as part of his duties under Obama. Yeah, it's really important to you Joe. You keep telling yourself that ????

 

 

And you keep telling yourself the US under Biden will not back The Republic of Ireland and the GFA.

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8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

9 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

O'Bama lol.

 

The Brexiteers are suffering as their FTA deal with the States starts to crack.

 

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And you keep telling yourself the US under Biden will not back The Republic of Ireland and the GFA.

 

He will appear to back Ireland but this will be essentially backing the EU against the UK. Ironic really, as it is the EU insisting on the hard border, not the UK.

 

But Biden is going to have his hands full enough without worrying about foreign affairs too much, assuming that he does get as far as the White House. 

[Rookiescot]

44 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

His heritage is SO important that he's never visited Ireland, apart from once in 2016 as part of his duties under Obama. Yeah, it's really important to you Joe. You keep telling yourself that ????

 

 

 

Hes a politician. It matters not what he personally finds important but what he can convince the voting public what he thinks is important.

Just like Johnson and Brexit.

[Rookiescot]

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

He will appear to back Ireland but this will be essentially backing the EU against the UK. Ironic really, as it is the EU insisting on the hard border, not the UK.

 

But Biden is going to have his hands full enough without worrying about foreign affairs too much, assuming that he does get as far as the White House. 

 

Johnson signed an agreement saying there would be no internal border in Ireland. He claimed it was a great deal. A fantastic deal. His own oven ready deal.

Upon which he won an election. 

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27 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

He will appear to back Ireland but this will be essentially backing the EU against the UK. Ironic really, as it is the EU insisting on the hard border, not the UK.

 

But Biden is going to have his hands full enough without worrying about foreign affairs too much, assuming that he does get as far as the White House. 

Hey! Biden won the election, both the popular vote and the Electoral College.

Surely Brexiteers must accept that this is democracy in action, like the Brexit vote.

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And you keep telling yourself the US under Biden will not back The Republic of Ireland and the GFA.

...and you keep telling yourself (and anyone that will listen) Biden won. With your track record when dabbling in foreign elections I thought you would have learned from you last effort a year ago when the candidate you (very publicly) championed was ousted ????

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[evadgib]

22 minutes ago, bannork said:

Hey! Biden won the election, both the popular vote and the Electoral College.

Surely Brexiteers must accept that this is democracy in action, like the Brexit vote.

Not yet he hasn't.