Trump says he will leave the White House if Electoral College votes for Biden

[Tarteso]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Probably not ever. The media love him and report everything he says. I know they do it for the purposes of ridicule, but IMO they also know he's their ratings golden ticket.

IMO even IF he leaves the W H this time he's not going to magically vanish, especially if he's going to run again in 2024. IMO the election campaign begins January 21.

Mind you, he doesn't have to try very hard to get the media to give him all that free publicity, and like they say, no such thing as bad publicity ( especially if it's free ).

Maybe it's true, on the one hand readers like the antics he does.  On the other hand ... Once he leaves the White House, he is going to have complaints of fraud and debts for a good season, it seems that his economy and business are not very clear ... I don't know, maybe it's hearsay.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, ShindenGo said:

Trump and his ill-conceived supporters to admit defeat and accept unity is an affront to the survival of the nation! Their calls for disunity, division, civil war and outright rejection of common decency and acceptable norms will bring the downfall of the US. They remind me of the ones who started the civil war to protect their slaves. They’re the same people...

Err, the people that wanted to keep slavery were Democrats. Lincoln was a Republican.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I disagree. I thing Harrison and Buchanan were worse. He is either the 43rd or 44th worst. History will bear that out. 

Does this mean there will be no Mt Rushmore renovation?

Edited November 27, 2020 by Tie Dye Samurai

[Tie Dye Samurai]

33 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Err, the people that wanted to keep slavery were Democrats. Lincoln was a Republican.

This is correct...and look what has become of the Republican party now... disunity, division, civil war and outright rejection of common decency and acceptable norms is an entirely accurate way to describe a vast section of the G.O.P. and specifically their chosen leader in 2020. 

[xylophone]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Probably not ever. The media love him and report everything he says. I know they do it for the purposes of ridicule, but IMO they also know he's their ratings golden ticket.

IMO even IF he leaves the W H this time he's not going to magically vanish, especially if he's going to run again in 2024. IMO the election campaign begins January 21.

Mind you, he doesn't have to try very hard to get the media to give him all that free publicity, and like they say, no such thing as bad publicity ( especially if it's free ).

Hopefully the world will be spared this idiot getting a second chance, by virtue of his expanded waistline, unhealthy diet, and a love of MacDonald's.

 

Then as someone else has said, his memory will just be a fart in the toilet bowl of history.

[Emdog]

41 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Err, the people that wanted to keep slavery were Democrats. Lincoln was a Republican.

Yes, and US then had Dixiecrats for about a hundred years. Then Nixon & Republicans saw their chance and developed "Southern Strategy" aka appeal to whites in the South who were at least closet racists. The Democratic party was pushing for civil rights under JFK & LBJ, so as far as getting votes goes, Republican strategy worked.

Regarding Trumps method of exiting White House, he should be dragged out by marshals. Would give him TV ratings that might never be topped & we know how much he is addicted to ratings

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, animalmagic said:

Does it also apply to Moslem congregations?

AFAIK Muslims did not apply to the Supreme Court for relief from the 50 person limit. I suppose if they did, the court would have to give it to them too, or be accused of religious discrimination.

[Eric Loh]

10 minutes ago, Emdog said:

Yes, and US then had Dixiecrats for about a hundred years. Then Nixon & Republicans saw their chance and developed "Southern Strategy" aka appeal to whites in the South who were at least closet racists. The Democratic party was pushing for civil rights under JFK & LBJ, so as far as getting votes goes, Republican strategy worked.

Regarding Trumps method of exiting White House, he should be dragged out by marshals. Would give him TV ratings that might never be topped & we know how much he is addicted to ratings

Republicans has been promoting a narrative of "white men are the victims" and they found the right person brazen enough to perform his "dog whistle" politics. The white nationalists in the Rep party viewed his calls as an overture and responded. Changing demography may render this strategy ineffective. 

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Probably not ever. The media love him and report everything he says. I know they do it for the purposes of ridicule, but IMO they also know he's their ratings golden ticket.

IMO even IF he leaves the W H this time he's not going to magically vanish, especially if he's going to run again in 2024. IMO the election campaign begins January 21.

Mind you, he doesn't have to try very hard to get the media to give him all that free publicity, and like they say, no such thing as bad publicity ( especially if it's free ).

 

A few considerations:

1. Few like a loser. If they did not know Trump was a loser before, they sure will know it once he leaves the White House, and returns to his failing business.

2. I believe he will soon be forgotten. Just a terribly bad memory.

3. There is virtually no chance of him winning in 2024. I have been wrong before. But, as time goes on, he will become more and more irrelevant. Hopefully. 

4. If he keeps up his nonsense, there is always a chance Dorsey will come to his senses, and ban his twitter account. Without twitter, he is a 300 lb. zero.

5. You are assuming his physical and mental health keeps up. It appears over the past 6 months or so, both are on a serious decline. He will be 78 or 79 in 2024. And he is NOT healthy.

6. Lastly, you are assuming the GOP sticks with him, after he is gone. That is not a given. At least, if they are sane and have some reason. 

[KhunFred]

Maybe when he leaves, I can stop pretending to be Canadian. ????

[melvinmelvin]

as far as I know some states have legislation making it possible to legally bind the electors to vote so and so

 

US Supreme C has determined that electors that stray away from their voting "recipee" may be charged and sentenced by the state,

at least as far as federal law is concerned

if I remember correctly this determination was issued in the wake of the Trump-Clinton election (some electors did stray)

 

now,

how many states does not have adequate legislation addressing the steps from ballot to electoral college?

ie states where they just follow old habits, which has worked fine for ages

could, in theory, the electoral college turn the result upside down?

 

 

 

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Didn't start any wars has to count on the positive side. Didn't Nth Korea stop firing missiles over Japan after he had a word, or was that some other president ( 5555 )?

North Korea starts sabre rattling whenever there is a new President, or whenever it feels neglected by the rest of the world.  Trump generously rewarded the sabre rattling with attention and prestige North Korea had never received from a US President, so Kim went quiet.  He had accomplished all his test objectives and received more attention that he could have hoped for.  Plus there was considerable damage at the bomb testing site, so it was a good time to claim an win and quit.

 

No doubt we'll see more sabre rattling after Biden takes office.  I assume Biden won't be as generous with Kim.

[suzannegoh]

9 hours ago, Kelsall said:

So if it goes to the House of Representatives he is not leaving, which we already knew.

If it goes to the House Of Representatives it would mean that neither Biden nor Trump got 270 electoral votes.  Under what scenario would that happen?

[suzannegoh]

7 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Which decision was that?

 

A genuine question - I googled and couldn't find anything relevant.

That was a case about using Covid as a pretext for limiting the number of people who can go to church.  Nothing to do with the election.

[suzannegoh]

4 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Not at all, the Supreme Court overturned science-based restrictions on meeting numbers because AFAIK one of the amendments ( might be the First ) protects the right to gather. I don't think the Founding Fathers or whoever had a pandemic in mind when they framed said amendment.

No idea what the Supreme Court would do if the election was referred to them.

The newly added Barrett, installed flouting convention as usual, is a devout Roman Catholic, so it was highly predictable how she would vote. A triumph of religious dogma over common sense.

Americans and Trump supporters in particular are actually fortunate the pandemic is not more deadly than it is. They would be dying like flies if it was.

The current pandemic scoreline is Australia 907 deaths, 1399 active cases. USA 269,555 deaths, 5,132,249 active cases. The ship sailed long ago in terms of Darwinism, it's what nations get when they listen to politicians instead of scientists.

If Trump had any conscience at all, he'd be leaving the White House today. He's a roadblock in terms of getting America back on its feet.

The "problem" is that there is no pandemic exception to this clause in the constitution:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

Court decisions since independent have interpreted that broadly, such that the restriction applies not only to congress but to any government agency or elected official.

[suzannegoh]

2 hours ago, animalmagic said:

Does it also apply to Moslem congregations?

Yes it would, but they were not plaintiffs in the case.

[suzannegoh]

2 hours ago, animalmagic said:

Does it also apply to Moslem congregations?

Yes it would, but they were not plaintiffs in the case.

[suzannegoh]

37 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

as far as I know some states have legislation making it possible to legally bind the electors to vote so and so

 

US Supreme C has determined that electors that stray away from their voting "recipee" may be charged and sentenced by the state,

at least as far as federal law is concerned

if I remember correctly this determination was issued in the wake of the Trump-Clinton election (some electors did stray)

 

now,

how many states does not have adequate legislation addressing the steps from ballot to electoral college?

ie states where they just follow old habits, which has worked fine for ages

could, in theory, the electoral college turn the result upside down?

 

 

 

Not likely unless states started substituting new sets of electors en masse.  The electors are generally party loyalists who would never dream of flipping their vote.  So to change the outcome in the electoral college those electors they would need to be fired and replaced.

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, suzannegoh said:

If it goes to the House Of Representatives it would mean that neither Biden nor Trump got 270 electoral votes.  Under what scenario would that happen?

electoral college split their votes 50-50

 

[Andy from Kent]

11 hours ago, Kelsall said:

So if it goes to the House of Representatives he is not leaving, which we already knew.

 

 

Don't you worry about that at all.   Come inauguration day  the orange man will be removed from the  White house according to the  wishes of the new President.    Donald Thump's time as POTUS has come and gone.

Good riddance!

 

 

"Not an issue at all. We would be happy to have the US Marshalls escort him out in handcuffs, for trespassing. Would be a fun photo opp. "

 

Should this come to pass I'd hope Trump would be billed for  whatever extra cost is incurred.

Edited November 27, 2020 by Andy from Kent

[suzannegoh]

25 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

electoral college split their votes 50-50

 

So then at least 36 of Biden's electoral votes would need to be nullified.  Not going to happen.

[Jeffr2]

He's lost touch with reality.  But we've known that for a long time.  Well, a majority of us anyway.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/11/26/trump-thanksgiving-inauguration-biden-question-vpx.cnn

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, KhunFred said:

Maybe when he leaves, I can stop pretending to be Canadian. ????

No need to pretend, most of us can't pick the difference between an American and Canadian accent.

[Caldera]

Much as I'd like to see him get dragged out kicking and screaming, that he's prepared to leave on his own devices is definitely better for the country.

 

Good riddance, either way.

 

[KhunFred]

Americans seem to no longer understand the definition of "crazy". I still cannot accept the fact that America elected this man for even a four year term.I know mental illness when I see it and I have observed it for far too long.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, suzannegoh said:

That was a case about using Covid as a pretext for limiting the number of people who can go to church.  Nothing to do with the election.

A pretext? That's a strange way of putting it. Science-based advice, social distancing and limiting group sizes are standard procedures in controlling pandemics.

Perhaps it has not occurred to you large congregations of worshippers mean larger collection plates. After all, it would not do to be selling off church property to sustain the income of the junior clerics, would it?

 

[herfiehandbag]

8 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Will the media still love him when he is just an ordinary citizen with controversial views. Jury is still out there. Main stream media even FOX may give him a pass while Murdoch family pivot against Trump. So perhaps a few far-right cable channels like AON may think he is a gold mine but those have limited viewership. Of course he still have to survive the 2024 GOP presidential primary and looking at the polls that have only 54% Republicans supporting him if held today, he may not made it. There are lots of hungry young Republicans that will take him on. I can see he will have things tough for his political and business future. 

By 2024 he will be a three (?) times divorced bankrupt. His business assets and therefore his financial clout gone, and, even if not convicted his reputation will have been trashed by being dragged through the courts in inumerable cases. If he can't engineer overthrowing the result this time round he is finished, as are Gulianni, McConnell and the rest of the botoxed/hair dyed geriatrics who are riding on his coat tails!

 

He is hoping it will come down to The House of Representatives, (one state one vote) and/or The Supreme Court, which he imagines he "owns"! If, by some Houdini like feat, he manages to come out on top, despite the electoral college and popular vote tallies, then the "wheels will come off" in the US and no-one elsewhere will simply take the USA seriously as a democracy.

 

I somehow suspect that may affect The Supreme Court's thinking, notwithstanding the much "Trumpetted" conservative bench!

Edited November 27, 2020 by herfiehandbag

[suzannegoh]

40 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

A pretext? That's a strange way of putting it. Science-based advice, social distancing and limiting group sizes are standard procedures in controlling pandemics.

Perhaps it has not occurred to you large congregations of worshippers mean larger collection plates. After all, it would not do to be selling off church property to sustain the income of the junior clerics, would it?

 

 

Take it up with SCOTUS, it was their decision not mine.

[Jingthing]

36 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

By 2024 he will be a three (?) times divorced bankrupt. His business assets and therefore his financial clout gone, and, even if not convicted his reputation will have been trashed by being dragged through the courts in inumerable cases. If he can't engineer overthrowing the result this time round he is finished, as are Gulianni, McConnell and the rest of the botoxed/hair dyed geriatrics who are riding on his coat tails!

 

He is hoping it will come down to The House of Representatives, (one state one vote) and/or The Supreme Court, which he imagines he "owns"! If, by some Houdini like feat, he manages to come out on top, despite the electoral college and popular vote tallies, then the "wheels will come off" in the US and no-one elsewhere will simply take the USA seriously as a democracy.

 

I somehow suspect that may affect The Supreme Court's thinking, notwithstanding the much "Trumpetted" conservative bench!

He won't. Its over. He's just saving face now, riling up his base to stay relevant in the republican party, sabotaging the Biden presidency, permanently damaging American democracy and of course raising money.  He will be out of the white house though January 20.

[RJRS1301]

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

He won't. Its over. He's just saving face now, riling up his base to stay relevant in the republican party, sabotaging the Biden presidency, permanently damaging American democracy and of course raising money.  He will be out of the white house though January 20.

Saving face?

Strange behaviours for a person trying to save face.

He is successfully making himself not only petulant, but proving his own delusional incompetence. 
Are the Trump/Krushners still there or they deserted him in his hour of need ?

They have been strangely silent, for a few days.