Texas asks U.S. Supreme Court to help Trump upend election in long-shot lawsuit

[natway09]

Long shot indeed !!

How deep are these "goose" supporters going to dig the hole ?

[bendejo]

Deep state so deep DT comes out in Russia.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

This is part of the process(democracy thing) ! My country has a long history of contesting elections

https://theconversation.com/history-tells-us-that-a-contested-election-wont-destroy-american-democracy-149503

 

You quote the headline via the weblink, but then ignore the author's discussion of a past historical election dispute in the U.S. -- which seems to bear a striking resemblance to today's Republicans -- that led to the U.S. Civil War.

The system collapses

"The election of 1860 was a different story.

After Abraham Lincoln defeated three other candidates, Southern states simply refused to accept the results. They viewed the selection of a president who would not protect slavery as illegitimate and ignored the election’s results.

It was only through the profoundly bloody Civil War that the United States remained intact."

 

Simply refusing to accept the national and state by state results. Refusing to even acknowledge Biden's status as President-Elect. That's the direction and attitude Trump and his ilk are bringing to the current debacle.

[simple1]

8 minutes ago, riclag said:

This is part of the process(democracy thing) ! My country has a long history of contesting elections

https://theconversation.com/history-tells-us-that-a-contested-election-wont-destroy-american-democracy-149503

 

 

Is there precedence of a pathological liar as an incumbent president somehow convincing ten of millions of voters, without any evidence whatsoever, the President-elect fraudulently won the election in an effort to delegitimise the incoming President. IMO trump's activities are contrary to national security; I suggest treasonous wouldn't be an inappropriate description.

[J Town]

40 minutes ago, Scott Tracy said:

Jeepers.

 

As a non US citizen, I think the whole issue of the Presidential election is a farce. So much for the big democracy thing. This is more like a comic tragedy.

Not at all. It's proving the system works by keeping a dictator wannabe at bay. It's NOT a perfect system and there's plenty of room for improvement, but it still kept that <deleted><deleted> from stealing the election.

[Berkshire]

If Trump supporters think that this is somehow a legit maneuver, why can't the AG of California file to have votes from Ohio, Texas, Florida, etc., thrown out?  I mean, come on.

[candide]

Priceless!

that argument has merit, he ought to have included his home state in the lawsuit.

Texas' Republican Gov. Gregg Abbott extended early voting by a week and expanded the period in which mail-in ballots could be hand-delivered. "Using his emergency authority because of the pandemic," Glenn Smith, a Texas Democratic political consultant, told me, "our governor accomplished exactly what his attorney general is saying other states did, improperly. Nonsense. None of this harmed the presidential election. It helped turnout."

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/08/opinions/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-election-lawsuit-moore/index.html

[Lacessit]

47 minutes ago, riclag said:

This is part of the process(democracy thing) ! My country has a long history of contesting elections

https://theconversation.com/history-tells-us-that-a-contested-election-wont-destroy-american-democracy-149503

 

47 minutes ago, riclag said:

 

It also has one of the bloodiest civil wars of any nation in its history, and Trump seems intent on inflaming his more stupid supporters to start another one. Perhaps he's not satisfied with the COVID body count.

[Lacessit]

4 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

What will Trump be remembered by in the future. Swamp Drainer. Wall Guy,  Covid

Denier.  Maybe he will not be remembered at all.  It will be a nice day, when he is

only seen on a few golf courses.

Geezer

AFAIK those golf courses are losing money hand over fist, tourism is the lifeblood of many prestige courses. How many golf tourists do you think there are now?

Trump's cash flow is donations from suckers, and charging the taxpayer for accommodating the Secret Service at his properties. A lot of his income has dried up due to COVID, and he still has over $400 million in debt hovering.

[Berkshire]

8 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Obviously another corrupt Trump sycophant, perhaps Paxton wants a pardon in advance too. Or it's just to keep the campaign dollars rolling in from the suckers, most of the state legal challenges have been tossed out.

IMO the Law of Unintended Consequences may come into play, if the Supreme Court was to take sides in Trump's favor Biden would have every justification to stack it as Trump did. And create even more contempt for the law than there is now.

Roll on December 14, and January 20.

It's all about the pardon.  The Texas AG is in deep personal trouble and he filed this lawsuit for an audience of one.  This video explains...

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/legally-troubled-texas-a-g-concocts-absurd-election-lawsuit-as-trump-muses-about-pardons/vi-BB1bLjV5?ocid=wispr

 

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

This is part of the process(democracy thing) ! My country has a long history of contesting elections

https://theconversation.com/history-tells-us-that-a-contested-election-wont-destroy-american-democracy-149503

A November 4 article, so the behaviour of the Trump campaign and Trump himself does not yet reflect in the opinion of the author.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

A November 4 article, so the behaviour of the Trump campaign and Trump himself does not yet reflect in the opinion of the author.

 

Yep, that's another very good point re the article cited by Riclag...

 

Little did the professor-author likely know, at the time of his probably pre-election writing, just how deep into delusion, demagoguery and borderline sedition Trump and his followers would sink in the month-plus after the election.

 

[Thailand]

12 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Yep, that's another very good point re the article cited by Riclag...

 

Little did the professor-author likely know, at the time of his probably pre-election writing, just how deep into delusion, demagoguery and borderline sedition Trump and his followers would sink in the month-plus after the election.

 

I guess they still have the ability to sink even lower. What a farce.

 

MAGA out of the window - MAALS (Make America A Laughing Stock) .

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Thus far, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled against the Trump campaign inspired challenge efforts in Pennsylvania, and has yet to rule on the newest Texas AG lawsuit.

 

If the high court manages to stay on the sidelines amid all the Trump delusions and allows the Electoral College and popular vote decisions to stand, it will be very interesting to learn perhaps in the years ahead just what justices favored what approaches/rulings.

 

Even though the court's order denying the Pennsylvania challenge was issued without formal or listed dissent, you really have to wonder if some of the Trump appointees or other arch conservative Republican partisans on the court weren't behind the scenes in favor of/pushing for some different result.

 

Hopefully Chief Justice Roberts can keep the high court from making a decision to thwart the national election results in what would otherwise be one of the most enormously disgraceful and dangerous rulings in the court's at-times less than illustrious history.

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[RocketDog]

Jan 20,2017-- Jan20, 2021

Four years that will Iive in infamy for decades to come. 

Never forget. 

[RJRS1301]

7 hours ago, simple1 said:

 literate, civilised society. The power of the 'big lie' is amazing...

There are high levels of illiteracy and innumeracy in many areas across the USA

[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

 

It also has one of the bloodiest civil wars of any nation in its history, and Trump seems intent on inflaming his more stupid supporters to start another one. Perhaps he's not satisfied with the COVID body count.

Wants to accumulate cheap real estate?

 

[Lacessit]

8 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Wants to accumulate cheap real estate?

 

Wants to stay out of jail.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

This is part of the process(democracy thing) ! My country has a long history of contesting elections

https://theconversation.com/history-tells-us-that-a-contested-election-wont-destroy-american-democracy-149503

Maybe there's the slight difference that in none of these cases was one of the candidates the sitting President.

So no President was actually trying to strongarm legislators, governors and members of Congress with political retribution should they vote against him. None of them made such extravagant claims of fraud. None of them called on governors and legislators to commit illegal acts in order to overturn the results of the vote.  

Apart from these items, not much difference, though. 

[herfiehandbag]

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Wants to stay out of jail.

Yes, hit the nail on the head there!

 

What is more, all they debt waiting- banks might think twice on foreclosing on a sitting President, but once he has left the Whitehouse...

 

The house of cards which is "all things Trump" is about to come crashing down. Shame isn't it?

[Sujo]

22 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

There are high levels of illiteracy and innumeracy in many areas across the USA

stupidity also seems to be in abundance. I hope the usa can regain some repect but will take time.

[Srikcir]

8 hours ago, Kelsall said:

It appears to be on the docket.

No. 22O155
Title:	Texas, Plaintiff v. Pennsylvania, et al.
Docketed:	December 8, 2020
Lower Ct:

 

https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22o155.html

USSC ordered Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Georgia to reply to the lawsuit - due Dec. 10 by 3pm.  Not an unusual procedure. https://down.cbslocal.com/2020/12/08/supreme-court-orders-reply-texas-election-lawsuit/

The case is not docketed as yet for a court hearing.

I expect the USSC will simply use those states' counter arguments to refute Texas demand to deny USSC further consideration. I think that the USSC will use denial of the Texas lawsuit to further blister Republican attempts to (in effect) Trump's illegal power grab.

 

[tomazbodner]

How about... Let's throw out all the votes and make only those of Donald Trump and his immediate family count... and that of Rudy Giuliani... if he survives Covid, that is. Totally free and fair!

 

Make America Trump Again...

[earlinclaifornia]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

This is part of the process(democracy thing) ! My country has a long history of contesting elections

https://theconversation.com/history-tells-us-that-a-contested-election-wont-destroy-american-democracy-149503

https://theconversation.com/au/who-we-are

[snowgard]

11 hours ago, simple1 said:

trump and his sycophants are a total disgrace to the principles of democracy trying to disenfranchise millions of US voters. Thank God trump will be removed from power 20/01/21, Another four years of the trump ideocracy had a real potential to be ruinous for the Western world's stability.

 

What will Trump do and say if on the 14th december a lot of his own repulicans vote for Biden. I'm sure that a lot republicans not stand anymore behind Trump and his lies.

[placeholder]

3 hours ago, riclag said:

This is part of the process(democracy thing) ! My country has a long history of contesting elections

https://theconversation.com/history-tells-us-that-a-contested-election-wont-destroy-american-democracy-149503

That article was published on nov 3.

This is from a follow-up article dated Nov 20 by the same author:

"Without a doubt, the president’s attempts to undermine faith in the integrity of the election are dangerous to democracy. Legal processes to ensure that every legal vote is counted will proceed. And, without a doubt, Trump and his surrogates will continue to focus on small details, broad generalizations and debunked theories to cast popular doubt on the legitimacy of a possible President Biden. "

Five reasons Trump's challenge of the 2020 election will not lead to civil war - HoustonChronicle.com

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

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While President Trump’s supporters are vocal, they are organized around a cult of personality rather than any organizational structure.

 

Glad to see author Cohen above used the "cult" term in reference to Trump and his supporters. Not in a derogatory, demeaning way, but rather in a factual, reality-based academic description of just what the Trump presidency has been about.

 

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This limits their ability to overthrow systems of power. Compared with organizations that resisted the Vietnam War or Revolutionary War, they lack discipline and hierarchy. They also lack supplies and material to combat entrenched resistance, and can hardly be seen as dangerous to military and federal law enforcement, which as of Jan. 20 will report to Joe Biden.

 

Last time I checked, Trump's own federal law enforcement community had identified predominantly white, right-wing militia groups -- of which there are hundreds across the country -- as the primary threat of U.S. domestic terrorism. The reality of that was driven home lately by the attempted militia kidnapping plot against Michigan Gov. Whitmer and the more recent multiple death threats leveled against Republican state election officials.

 

The fact that Trump's Proud Boy friends can't win a direct fight with U.S. law enforcement or even the U.S. military doesn't mean they don't pose the potential for enormous damage and disruption to the U.S. system of democratic institutions, if continuing denial of Biden's election as president and the possibly subsequent denial of and resistance to his presidency should continue after Inauguration Day, potentially egged on by Trump.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

More denial from the Republican congressional leadership:

 

https://news.yahoo.com/as-biden-passes-safe-harbor-milestone-republicans-on-inauguration-committee-refuse-to-say-he-won-195257668.html

 

As Biden passes 'safe harbor' milestone, Republicans on inaugural committee refuse to say he won

"Republicans on the Joint Congressional Committee on the Inaugural Ceremonies voted on Tuesday against a resolution stating that the committee was preparing for the inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris.

Sen. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.; Sen. Roy Blunt, R-Mo.; and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., all voted against the resolution. The three Democrats on the committee, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., who introduced the measure; House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.; and Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., voted in favor. The measure, which would have recognized what Democrats and some Republicans say is obvious — that Biden won the election — failed to pass on a 3-3 tie vote."

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

More news on the legal front for Trump's campaign....  But but but... we have AFFIDAVITS!!! 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/nevada-supreme-court-trump-legal-challenge-loss-1553408

 

Trump Loses Another Lawsuit in Nevada After Defeats in Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania

"The Nevada Supreme Court has dealt the latest legal blow to President Donald Trump's attempts to overturn the election result.
 

Following 36 hours of legal briefs from both Republicans and Democrats, six court justices confirmed a lower court's dismissal of Trump's challenge of the results in the state, which Biden won by 33,596 votes.

...

The Nevada justices said that the Trump team had failed to show any serious errors in the order last week by Carson City District Court Judge James Russell, which rejected claims of mass voter fraud."

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-re-election-hopes-rest-unprecedented-2024-run-after-failed-lawsuits-1553446

 

Donald Trump's Re-Election Hopes Rest With Unprecedented 2024 Run After Failed Lawsuits

"President Donald Trump's path back to the White House will now almost certainly depend on an unprecedented run in the 2024 election, as a bevy of lawsuits challenging the 2020 results have failed to deliver.

 

The Trump campaign and other Republican litigants had lost or withdrawn 50 lawsuits seeking to dispute the election results as of Tuesday. They have prevailed in just one case that appears to have affected only a small number of mail-in ballots.

 

A suit filed by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton asking the Supreme Court to instruct state legislatures in four states President-elect Joe Biden won to overturn the results also seems doomed to fail, based on criticism from legal experts."

 

Pay attention to the following detail in the quote above... Newsweek is saying 50! cases thus far, almost all lost or withdrawn...

 

"The Trump campaign and other Republican litigants had lost or withdrawn 50 lawsuits seeking to dispute the election results as of Tuesday. They have prevailed in just one case that appears to have affected only a small number of mail-in ballots."

 

At some point, you would think, frivolous abuse of the U.S. legal system by all these merit-less cases has to come into the picture.