UK tells EU: back down by Sunday night or we'll walk

[Hi from France]

Once more, these are not "UK waters" this is a newly-acquired economic zone were these fishermen fished there before

 

and the UK wants to cast them out, ruining them in the process.

 

I still wonder why Boris is surprised that the EU is not happy of this move and reciprocates: as a matter of fact, we expect no less of our governments

 

... and you are you at all surprised? 

 

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Edited December 11, 2020 by Hi from France

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

Once more, these are not "UK waters" this is a newly-acquired economic zone were these fishermen fished there before

 

and the UK wants to cast them out, ruining them in the process.

 

I still wonder why Boris is surprised that the EU is not happy of this move and reciprocates: as a matter of fact, we expect no less of our governments

 

... and you are you at all surprised? 

 

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Well according to the EU they are UK waters

 

Ursula von der Leyen, the European commission president, said: “We understand that the UK aspires to control its waters.

[luckyluke]

2 hours ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

Walk away from all that?

 

Everything is relative.

 

Beans on toast is considered as the ultimate delicacy for many Britons.

 

Here the recipe from : food.com/recipe/british-beans-on-toast

( For the ones who may not know how to fix it )

 

DIRECTIONS

• Toast bread.
• In a saucepan, heat up the beans.
• Spoon onto toast. 

 

 

There are variants, like adding Worcestershire sauce, or/and cheese.

Edited December 11, 2020 by luckyluke

[oldhippy]

Just now, luckyluke said:

 

Everything is relative.

 

Beans on toast is considered as the ultimate delicacy for many Britons.

 

Here the recipe from : food.com/recipe/british-beans-on-toast

 

DIRECTIONS

• Toast bread.
• In a saucepan, heat up the beans.
• Spoon onto toast and top with Worcestershire sauce. 

 

You forgot the lots of sugar.

And chicken curry has now replaced sugary beans on toast as the UK's top gourmet food. Without pilipili of course.

[vinny41]

8 hours ago, Hi from France said:

You use the word waters a lot. 

 

No one is contesting UK sovereignty over its economic fishing zone (freshly) acquired in the 80'

 

That would be quite stupid as the French exclusive economic zone is about twice the size of the UK’s 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_economic_zone#Rankings_by_area

 

 

 

so the waters that the EU is talking about belong to the UK as per your post above

[Hi from France]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

so the waters that the EU is talking about belong to the UK as per your post above

Not exactly 

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The difference between the territorial sea and the exclusive economic zone is that the first confers full sovereignty over the waters, whereas the second is merely a "sovereign right" which refers to the coastal state's rights below the surface of the sea. The surface waters, are international waters 

Now once more, the UK should have other matters to attend than obsess over this "independent coastal state" thing 

[Laughing Gravy]

13 hours ago, Hi from France said:

for example we saw how fishing has become of little importance for the UK. Now, in the EU we have many towns and communities. In the Netherlands, France and Belgium which will be out of business 

Like what happened to the UK.

Well what comes around goes around. Those countries have had it good for too long.

It is time the UK reaped the  benefits from its own waters.

 

13 hours ago, Hi from France said:

The EU has not and will never break negotiations. It's whole purpose is to create compromises and that is what it has been doing from its origins after ww2.

 

Your view of the EU is very blinkered and we will never agree. The purpose is exactly what was in WW2. The unification of Europe. this time without guns but still the same aim as the Nazis.

you talk about never break negotiations. They have already changed the goal posts and are doing it now with new demands.

13 hours ago, Hi from France said:

Not at all, we need to find the polls, but a while ago I remember the UK had one of the most favorable and "very favorable" opinion on the EU in Europe.

I do not where you are from really as you are so coy and evasive. I do not believe that at all. when will you learn polls are not a  true representation. If they were we wouldn't have/are leaving the EU.

 

13 hours ago, Hi from France said:

Why should there be protests? Our government and the EU are indeed protecting our our interests now and will in the next phase of Brexit. 

Its a typical French trait. Get the tractors out protests. So as you have said the EU have protected those industries. So no need to keep raping the UK waters your lot are sorted. That statement is contradictory to your other one.

 

13 hours ago, Hi from France said:

Now: we in the EU just want a reasonable deal in exchange for giving access to the single market: mostly a level, competitive playing field, access to fishing quotas that our fishing communities have used for centuries, and serious guarantees in case the UK does not respect our deal.

This is the bit you don't get. it is not a mostly level playing field. It is the EU benefiting if we signed up. It is control. We have left the club. You want to control us for our competitiveness with other nations. You couldn't control the UK (we would never have your euro) and the fishing quotas have not been for centuries. It is a lie your peddling.

[Laughing Gravy]

11 hours ago, sirineou said:

You just cant please some people first we were full of love, now we are pitiful. what's next ? I am afraid to ask.

By the way, this has to be the longest goodbye in history. Just pay you bar bill and go home already !  

It is not the barbill. We bought a big chunk of the pub. We want deserve our percentage. We want to go but the dregs and hangers on, who don't buy a round and the ones that buy for the others won't let us.

 

We are part owners of the pub and have paid a lot. We want to drink there but not at ridiculous prices. If not we will go other pubs, there are more around.

 

Most of the others in this pub use our parking lot (waters) and have parked their cars in there for a long time and take up more space than the Brits. You have also used our other services and were happy too. sending your kids top universities and schools in the UK.

 

By the way who was full of love? Just look at the British comedy of the last 50 years we have hardly had a love affair with the French and Germans and the rest of Europe.

[sandyf]

16 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Holidaymakers from Great Britain barred from EU after 1 January under Covid rules

European commission indicates Britons will face ban on non-essential travel at end of Brexit transition

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/09/uk-holidaymakers-could-be-barred-from-visiting-eu-under-covid-safety-rules

 

The EU needs to keep open the Channel Tunnel and the airport routes to allow the 4 million EU citizens to return home for what ever reason

Unless they plan to tell their own citizens when one of their relatives is ill or dying, sorry we can't help it was your choice to live in the UK

and the UK must be punished for daring to leave the Great Project

The distortion is unbelievable but par for the course.

The UK voted for the UK to become a third country so it was the UK that changed the covid rules not the EU.

It is not up to the EU to keep the Channel Tunnel open. The safety certificates are legal documents that both countries must agree to renew.

The EU have agreed to do what is necessary on the documents, waiting on the UK.

 

Why is it so difficult for those that voted to leave to accept Project Reality, you used to call it Project Fear.

[thaibeachlovers]

23 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I don't think anyone can handle the ever changing Corona/COVID pandemic effectively. You can''t please them all but that just me. But I feel he would be blamed not the Conservative party

 

As for the signing up to a bad deal. It would be the end of him and the conservatives at the next election. Just my humble view.

 

Every disaster needs a scapegoat. Boris would, IMO, be it.

[sandyf]

11 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

You have totally missed my point. Its not the remainers who failed to listen to what was said it was you guys.

You ignored what the remain campaign was saying.

Not entirely, Osborne made some stupid and outlandish predictions and they paid attention to that, just ignored the real problems that were going to arise.

[Surelynot]

Quoting 'On the road to Mandalay'......springs to mind...what a moron.

Edited December 12, 2020 by Surelynot

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, Hi from France said:

and the UK wants to cast them out, ruining them in the process.

Just as the UK fishermen were ruined. Payback is sweet.

[petermik]

7 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Evidence of this being fact or fiction....

[Surelynot]

Just now, petermik said:

Evidence of this being fact or fiction....

Not a clue.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just do it Boris. Walk and give them the Churchill salute.

[sandyf]

9 hours ago, RayC said:

The EU have already agreed to let air and road - and I assume Eurostar - services continue post-transition.

 

Why wouldn't the UK reciprocate? Notwithstanding the enormous economic consequences of not agreeing to do so,  it would potentially leave thousands of British nationals stranded in Europe. Wouldn't that be callous and vindictive; an accusation that Brexiters usually level at the EU?

The UK will have little option but to "deal" with the EU, the urgent matters first and then the many other issues that are going to arise.

[Surelynot]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just do it Boris. Walk and give them the Churchill salute.

If only these words were not issuing from the mouth a lying, cheating, third rate journalist......... 

[sandyf]

9 hours ago, vinny41 said:

No the EU has suggested a proposal to let air and road continue so long as the UK agreed to the level playing fields

Absolute garbage,

The contingency plans have nothing to do with the FTA negotiations.

[sandyf]

8 hours ago, RayC said:

I stand corrected (assuming The Guardian has got it right).

 

No correction necessary, you were right in the first instance.

The contingency plans are the option to the level playing field issue not being resolved.

Two separate issues entirely.

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Absolute garbage,

The contingency plans have nothing to do with the FTA negotiations.

Suggest you read the contingency plans before posting as your are the person that is wrong

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

The UK will have little option but to "deal" with the EU, the urgent matters first and then the many other issues that are going to arise.

Absolute garbage, The UK can simply say No Deal

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Absolute garbage, The UK can simply say No Deal

Give in...you're correct...walk away and to hell with the consequences...

[vinny41]

Meanwhile, parts of the mini-deals offered by the EU to the UK contain the same demands for so-called level playing field provisions that have been - along with fishing rights - such a contentious aspect of post-Brexit trade negotiations.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-eu-proposes-no-deal-contingency-measures-for-plans-lorries-and-fishing-boats-12156764

[luckyluke]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

The unification of Europe.

Like that.

 

An Europe Union where peace reign.

 

Something similar to the United States of America, where after the Secession War there is peace between all the states.

 

And The United Kingdom where after the wars with the Scottish ,there is peace between the four countries.

 

Of course I not expect that everything is going swimmingly, it isn't the case nor in the U.S.A. neither in the U.K..

 

In the meantime, it seems that Hungary & Poland agreed on a compromise.

 

Further problems will certainly rise, comprehensible in an union of 27 countries. 

 

[Laughing Gravy]

7 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

An Europe Union where peace reign.

 

Something similar to the United States of America, where after the Secession War there is peace between all the states.

Jeez please. if you want a united states of Europe like America, I am so grateful we are out.

 

You really don't understand the different states in the USA do you if you have an feeling they are all equal. No rioting in the USA lately has there been! I wouldn't be using the USA as a model for democracy and living.

 

Peace in the EU. Right. Good luck with that one. But the again the French won't be allowed to be french, the Germans, Dutch and all the rest. They are been eroded into an EU and the hilarious thing is 1, most don't realise it and 2, you are letting it happen.

7 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

n the meantime, it seems that Hungary & Poland agreed on a compromise.

 

Further problems will certainly rise, comprehensible in an union of 27 countries. 

Yes for sure it will. the Italians, The Greeks, the polish and Hungarians, are only quite for a while.

 

Plus you will have all those young Jihadist growing up waiting to make a name for themselves. That is something to look forward too.

Edited December 12, 2020 by Laughing Gravy
Its all a perception right!

[Laughing Gravy]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Osborne made some stupid and outlandish predictions

How very true. You are not wrong Sandy on this statement.

 

House Price crash, Unemployment levels highest ever, hike in borrowing, Shrinking economy. talk about lies. this man was looking after the economy. He should be jailed for his definitive lying.

Claim: A vote to leave ‘would cause an immediate and profound economic shock’ which would ‘push the UK into recession’. Treasury analysis claimed the economy would ‘fall into recession, with four quarters of negative growth’.

Reality: False. The UK’s economic growth has remained positive for every quarter since the referendum, with Britain finishing the year as one of the fastest growing economies in the G7.

Claim: Unemployment ‘would increase by around 500,000’ in the wake of a Brexit vote.

Reality: False. Britain’s employment rate has risen since the referendum. In the three months to January, unemployment fell to 4.7 per cent – the best rate since 1975.

Claim: A Brexit vote ‘would immediately lead to an increase in the premium for lending to UK businesses and households’.

Reality: False. The Bank of England responded to the referendum result by cutting interest rates to a historic low of 0.25 per cent, where they have remained.

Claim: Trading partners, including the US, are already negotiating with the EU. ‘Before they start negotiations with the UK they are likely to want those deals to conclude.’

Reality: False. The new US administration has indicated it will not proceed with a planned EU-US trade deal, but has said the UK will be ‘first in the line’ for a bilateral deal.

Claim: A Brexit vote would lead to ‘a reduction in foreign investment’.

Reality: Likely to prove false. Investment figures for 2016 have not yet been published, but there have been a number of big foreign investments since the referendum.

Claim: Britain would ‘lose preferential access to 53 markets’ with which the EU has trade deals, and these would ‘take years to renegotiate’.

Reality: Likely to prove false. Theresa May has said there is no reason why the UK cannot continue with the existing trade deals. Countries such as Mexico and Canada have said they want to strike quick trade deals with the UK.

Claim: A vote to leave ‘would have an impact on our ability to affect the EU’s decision making’.

Reality: True. Ministers accept that the UK will not be at the table when Brussels draws up new regulations after Brexit. 

[luckyluke]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just do it Boris. Walk and give them the Churchill salute.

 

The 24 June 2016, 1 day after the Brexit referendum, it was clear for everyone that the U.K. will leave the E.U..

 

No deals were in place between the soon past member, and the E.U..

 

It is still a fact that Sunday the 13th. December the U.K. will leave the E.U. ( a matter of days).

 

It is high probable that there still will be no deals between the E.U. and the U.K., as there weren't on the 24th. June 2016.

 

That some Leave voters continue to claim their victory 4 years+ after the results, is fair enough.

 

However I don't understand,  why they would claim victory now for leaving the E.U with a non-deal;

there have never been one.

[luckyluke]

15 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

That is something to look forward too.

 

You have a negative approach of the future of the E.U., fair enough.

 

Similar to some Remain voters who don't see anything positive in Brexit.

 

Time will tell.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, luckyluke said:

 

You have a negative approach of the future of the E.U., fair enough.

 

Similar to some Remain voters who don't see anything positive in Brexit.

 

Time will tell.

 

Freedom is always worth a little sacrifice.