U.S. says Ghislaine Maxwell should stay behind bars, deserves no bail

[rooster59]

U.S. says Ghislaine Maxwell should stay behind bars, deserves no bail

 

FILE PHOTO: Charges are announced against Ghislaine Maxwell for her role in the sexual exploitation and abuse of minor girls by Jeffrey Epstein in New York City, New York, U.S., July 2, 2020. REUTERS/Lucas Jackson/File Photo

 

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. prosecutors on Friday said Ghislaine Maxwell, the former associate of Jeffrey Epstein charged with helping enable his sexual abuses, should remain in jail, and urged a federal judge to reject her proposed $28.5 million bail package.

 

In a filing with the U.S. District Court in Manhattan, prosecutors said the charges against Maxwell are "incredibly serious," the evidence against her is strong, and that she poses an "extreme flight risk."

 

Maxwell, 58, has been living in a Brooklyn jail since July, when she pleaded not guilty to helping Epstein recruit and groom underage girls for sex in the mid-1990s, and not guilty to perjury for having denied involvement under oath.

 

Her trial is scheduled for next July, and she faces up to 35 years in prison if convicted.

 

In a bail application made public on Dec. 14, Maxwell proposed living with electronic monitoring in a New York City residence, and under 24-hour guard to ensure she remains safe and does not flee.

 

(Reporting by Jonathan Stempel in New York; Editing by Tom Brown)

 

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[Chomper Higgot]

She’s fine where she is.

 

She could make things better for herself by cooperating.

[Tug]

Time to start singing little birdie lol or is that squealing perhaps squeaking like a rat?hope she doesent get Epsteined

[bendejo]

If a new US president were to take office she may change her tune...

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

For the record.

 

Whoever is implicated in the crimes committed by Epstein and Maxwell must be fully and transparently investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

 

Regardless of who they are.

[Walker88]

Actually, you don't know this article has nothing to do with 45. Besides 'wishing her well', despite charges that include trafficking in children, 45's name is in the records both she and epstein kept. To what extent that fact is significant remains to be seen and is being investigated by authorities. Thus, it is far to early to conclude 'it has nothing to do with 45'.

 

Now before anyone plays "Whataboutism" and mentions Bill Clinton, I will pre-empt that by saying let the investigators do their job and catch ANYONE who may have broken the law.

 

ghislaine maxwell has been charged, but 45 'wishes her well'. John Brennan and Jim Comey were cleared by Durham and this was noted by AG barr yesterday, yet despite neither man ever having been charged for anything, 45 wanted both 'locked up'. He never 'wished them well'.

 

Months ago I wrote on this forum that John did everything 'by the book'. I said that because I know John and I know how he works and how seriously he takes his responsibility. When that intel first came to light, he first constructed a totally ringfenced operation, complete with Bigot Lists. Only those with a demonstrated and absolute 'need to know' were allowed access to the intel. John or a courier hand carried documents from Langley to the WH, observed the few people who were allowed to ready these "Eyes Only" documents, and authority was handed off to the bureau, because once a US Person is involved (as it included 45, manafort, gates, g-pap, stone and some others), the agency hands off investigation to the bureau. Once read, the documents would hit the Burn Bag. Durham spent 8 hours with John discussing the genesis of the Russia investigation, and even went through the earliest intel, first drafts of docs, everything. Durham concluded all was done 'by the book'.  All those who banked on durham to 'get to the bottom of it' should be, but won't be happy, that Durham did 'get to the bottom' of it.  Responsible adults and patriots behaved like responsible adults and patriots.

 

Imagine that.

[Rimmer]

Off topic bickering posts dragging Mr Trump into the story have been removed also replies

[giddyup]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

For the record.

 

Whoever is implicated in the crimes committed by Epstein and Maxwell must be fully and transparently investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

 

Regardless of who they are.

If Epstein himself was given a slap on the wrist and allowed out on work release the first time he was convicted, what chance is there that the rich and powerful like Clinton, Prince Andrew etc will ever face the music?

[candide]

24 minutes ago, giddyup said:

If Epstein himself was given a slap on the wrist and allowed out on work release the first time he was convicted, what chance is there that the rich and powerful like Clinton, Prince Andrew etc will ever face the music?

Well, this time it won't be with a GOP prosecutor, in a GOP State, and under a GOP administration. Ooops! And defended by TOP lawyers.

 

It may lead to a different outcome (or not)........

Edited December 19, 2020 by candide

[Pedrogaz]

I'm sure she has more than one passport......US and Israeli.

[Justgrazing]

Must be safe to drop the soap in the showers in a women's jail .. 

No wait a minute I've just thought about the soap .. 

[wombat]

my crystal ball says if she gets out on bail that the second shot to the head will confirm it was suicide

[bluesofa]

2 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Must be safe to drop the soap in the showers in a women's jail .. 

No wait a minute I've just thought about the soap .. 

Where's the soap?

Yes it does, doesn't it.

[Paul Henry]

Could be a pardon in the offing so she doesn't have to testify and name names.

[candide]

2 minutes ago, Paul Henry said:

Could be a pardon in the offing so she doesn't have to testify and name names.

I was about to say it wouldn't be appreciated by his evangelist electorate. Then I remembered they voted for a dead pimp, so it probably wouldn't matter to them.

[Chomper Higgot]

51 minutes ago, Paul Henry said:

Could be a pardon in the offing so she doesn't have to testify and name names.

Preemptive pardons, if given, will be challenged in the courts, especially so given the nature of the crimes Maxwell is alleged to have committed.

 

All pardons strip the recipient of their Fifth Amendment rights, so that too is a danger for a President who is implicated in crimes in which Maxwell is accused of being a party to.

[Thingamabob]

For how long can a suspect be held in jail in the USA without trial ?

[DefaultName]

I know little about this apart from what's been reported the media, but what reason is there for keeping her locked up when actual criminals walk the street?  She hasn't been convicted of anything as far as I know.

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, DefaultName said:

I know little about this apart from what's been reported the media, but what reason is there for keeping her locked up when actual criminals walk the street?  She hasn't been convicted of anything as far as I know.

Flight risk is the first reason but also to witness intimidation and her own safety.

 

 

[Sujo]

58 minutes ago, DefaultName said:

I know little about this apart from what's been reported the media, but what reason is there for keeping her locked up when actual criminals walk the street?  She hasn't been convicted of anything as far as I know.

Usually it is flight risk. Also severity of the crime. From what i see its purely flight risk.

[rgraham]

All she has to do is mention Bill Clinton and they will have her out lickety split, of course then there is the hunting party!

[candide]

1 hour ago, rgraham said:

All she has to do is mention Bill Clinton and they will have her out lickety split, of course then there is the hunting party!

Why would she mention Bill Clinton?

[bobandyson]

11 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Must be safe to drop the soap in the showers in a women's jail .. 

No wait a minute I've just thought about the soap ..

I'm so unlucky that if I ever ended up in jail and had to pick up soap, it would be liquid soap. ????

[cmarshall]

11 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

For how long can a suspect be held in jail in the USA without trial ?

 

In most cases, as is probably true with the Maxwell case, the delays are due to the defense, not the prosecution.  For instance Maxwell's current bail hearing has probably delayed the trial to some degree.  The Maxwell lawyers previously had hearings about the release of some of the evidence to the public.  All of those requests of the court take time to schedule and for the judge to deliberate.  

 

Generally, when the prosecution brings charges its case is ready for court.

[cmarshall]

9 hours ago, Sujo said:

Usually it is flight risk. Also severity of the crime. From what i see its purely flight risk.

 

Flight risk and danger to the community are the only bona fide bases for denying bail since the accused has not yet been convicted of any crime.  In the Maxwell case she is clearly a flight risk.

[Dukeleto]

On 12/19/2020 at 8:22 AM, rooster59 said:

Her trial is scheduled for next July, and she faces up to 35 years in prison if convicted.

And the Yorkshire ripper got 30 years for murder and despicable mutilations. I don’t see her getting a fair trial regardless of what she says or does.

[itsari]

How can Ghislaine be a flight risk . She was living in her husbands house and quite ready not to go out to avoid being barraged by the media . I think this woman has been found guilty by the media and is being unfairly treated for reasons that maybe we should not know .

[Chomper Higgot]

1. The crimes Maxwell is charged with are all extremely serious offenses.

 

2. In each case of ‘conspiracy’ the crime is even more serious because of the ‘conspiracy’.

 

3. A minor cannot consent to sex with an adult - period!

And adult having sex with a minor is rape - period!

 

An adult engaging in sexual activity with a minor is sexual abuse - period!

 

Paying money to the minor, or the fact that the minor joins in the conspiracy to recruit other minors does not change those facts.

 

These minors are victims - period!

 

 

Edited December 22, 2020 by onthedarkside
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[2530Ubon]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

1. The crimes Maxwell is charged with are all extremely serious offenses.

 

2. In each case of ‘conspiracy’ the crime is even more serious because of the ‘conspiracy’.

 

3. A minor cannot consent to sex with an adult - period!

And adult having sex with a minor is rape - period!

 

An adult engaging in sexual activity with a minor is sexual abuse - period!

 

Paying money to the minor, or the fact that the minor joins in the conspiracy to recruit other minors does not change those facts.

 

These minors are victims - period!

 

 

Did she have sex with them? No. Why not go after the people who did these things?

 

I agree that the offenses are crimes, but they aren't victims. They were propositioned. They accepted. They found more willing girls who wanted to have sex and get money from rich people and Princes. Bleating about it now when they were quite happy to make the choice back then. Perhaps in France and the UK it's not such a big deal. We can have sex at 15 and 16 respectively.

Edited December 20, 2020 by 2530Ubon

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, 2530Ubon said:

Did she have sex with them? No. Why not go after the people who did these things?

She played a part in organizing the abuse, that’s a crime.

 

I’m sure the Prosecution will be more than happy to hear any testimony Maxwell may wish to offer up on the matter of who raped and abused the minors she recruited to be raped and sexually abused.