Will Thailand Relax Quarantine if You Have Had the Vaccine for Covid ?

[moobie]

13 hours ago, polpott said:

In the UK you are given a card with the individual serial number of the vaccine administered to you , signed and dated by a healthcare professional.

Yes, I caught the news of the old man who was given one of the first vaccinations down in London. However, the card shown he displayed was more of an appointment card rather than a vaccination certificate. A point the press did pick-up on due to the implications of Human Rights issues should any certificate be used to deny a person service or access of any kind.

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If the issue of Rights does arise, could this potentially mean that future travels become dependant on a "fit to fly" assessment given after consultation with an Embassy's approved medical bodies after consultation with the individual's GP and then issuance of a visa? 

 

(As an aside : On a Global scale the WHO has already claimed that until many of the poorer countries people have been given the vaccine at an appropriate level, then International travel will be curtailed to Bubbles/corridors arranged between countries.) 

[mikeymike100]

Vaccines normally take 10 years to develop and test. The vaccines currently being readied for distribution have been developed  and tested in 9 approximately months, so obviously short cuts have been taken.

The long term trials for side effects and also a key testing phase on animals was not carried out!

So if you take the vaccine you could have side effects, as has already happened, that have not been tested or predicted for.

Considering the  survival rate for most people is 99.9% IF you get the Covid 19 virus, most people have little so very mild effects, that is far higher than the efficiency of the vaccine!

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20 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Yes I believe this.

Even if vaccinated there are reports that if a person gets the virus in their mouth or nose and expells it, they can transmit it to others.

So, until they get off their butts here and start to vaccinate people, probably a year or more before the rules are relaxed. ASQ should do a booming business for quite sometime

 

"ASQ should do a booming business for quite sometime"

 

Good point but there's also the point that 14 days quarantine is a major roadblock to return of mass tourism and return to massive tourism income for Thailand. Much much bigger than the income of the ASQ hotels. 

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3 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Vaccines normally take 10 years to develop and test. The vaccines currently being readied for distribution have been developed  and tested in 9 approximately months, so obviously short cuts have been taken.

The long term trials for side effects and also a key testing phase on animals was not carried out!

So if you take the vaccine you could have side effects, as has already happened, that have not been tested or predicted for.

Considering the  survival rate for most people is 99.9% IF you get the Covid 19 virus, most people have little so very mild effects, that is far higher than the efficiency of the vaccine!

"Vaccines normally take 10 years to develop and test. The vaccines currently being readied for distribution have been developed  and tested in 9 approximately months, so obviously short cuts have been taken."

 

Is that timing still valid? Knowledge of the various sciences involved has progressed massively in the last 10 even 5 years.

[DefaultName]

Why would Thailand trust a certificate from another country?  They have no way to tell if it's genuine or not.

[Slain]

Every business  in the world is going to suffer for a long time

[Pmbkk]

19 minutes ago, Slain said:

Every business  in the world is going to suffer for a long time

Many, many good funds in the U.S. and China are rocketing in price....

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Vaccines normally take 10 years to develop and test. The vaccines currently being readied for distribution have been developed  and tested in 9 approximately months, so obviously short cuts have been taken.

The long term trials for side effects and also a key testing phase on animals was not carried out!

So if you take the vaccine you could have side effects, as has already happened, that have not been tested or predicted for.

Almost all of that is untrue and/or misleading.

 

Vaccines used to take as long as 10 years (or more actually) in the past but that was using old vaccine design methods and technology. So your scenario assumes firstly that the old paradigms still applied, and then presupposes that no development work on a vaccine had been done before this novel coronavirus appeared.

 

Neither of those things is true. As the video below explains, the Oxford Vaccine group had already designed a vaccine for a disease "X" and in doing so, had cut as much as 10 years off the development lead time.

 

https://youtu.be/ddDiyIKUP0M

 

Other vaccine teams had done something similar - they had already designed a vaccine "construct" that only required details of the new virus' genetic sequence, in order to have their new vaccine candidate ready to go straight into testing.

 

This is in contrast to the older vaccine development methods that would often involve getting samples of the actual virus (which could take months) and then using trial and error to figure out how to disable it enough for it not to infect people while leaving enough of its structure intact to stimulate a sufficiently good immune response. Using this method, it could take years before a viable vaccine candidate was even ready to start testing.

 

It's also not true that animal testing was skipped. The vaccines were tested on animals, the results were published and are available online.

 

To take the Oxford vaccine once again as an example, it was tested on rhesus macaques, as the article below mentions.

 

Efficacy of the Oxford COVID-19 Vaccine in Monkeys

 

Furthermore, as many, many people have pointed out, there were no shortcuts taken in the development, testing or regulatory procedures for these vaccines. All the normal steps were followed.

Edited December 28, 2020 by GroveHillWanderer