Trump supporters who stormed U.S. Capitol could face sedition charges -prosecutor

[Virt]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You assume that following the outraged of the past week, Republicans themselves would not want to put an end to Trump ever holding office again.

 

Not quite.

I assume that some republicans think they might need trumps voter base for next election and don't want to upset them. 

 

Sometimes I wish my vocabulary was better so I could explain myself in a better way, but I hope you know what I mean. 

 

 

[Jeffr2]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

So now they are terrorists, even the pensioners with their signs, the fruit cake with horns and paint...........????

Yes.  And not very smart domestic terrorists.  The horns kinda proved it.  But typical of Trump's base.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

Uhh... "incited"

It was an unintended consequence of the auto-speller, which I assume you would be sharp enough to catch.

[cmarshall]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It was an unintended consequence of the auto-speller, which I assume you would be sharp enough to catch.

 

When you have the auto-speller checked, ask them to take a look at the auto-snark device which is also not quite up to par.

[Jeffr2]

More people getting in trouble because of Trump and his enablers.  Sad they fell for their lies.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/01/09/investigating-police-rioters/

 

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Police departments across the U.S. open probes into whether their own members took part in the Capitol riot

 

Police officers and at least one police chief from departments across the United States are facing termination, suspension or other discipline for their proximity to or alleged involvement in a chaotic gathering in Washington on Wednesday that ended in a riot at the U.S. Capitol and left five people dead.

 

Departments in California, Washington state, and Texas are among those that have announced investigations into their officers based on tips, social media posts and other evidence, though more officers could be identified as evidence emerges in the coming days.

 

[ChouDoufu]

41 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

Not so fast.  In fact, it is possible for the Senate to try Trump on articles of impeachment before Jan. 20.  Although the Senate is now in recess, if the Dems. can round up 51 votes they can march into the Senate chamber and announce that, a quorum having been established the Senate is now in session.  A majority could be made up of the 48 Dem senators plus the two new Dem senators from GA once the runoff elections have been certified by the Secretary of State of GA, plus at least one Republican senator.  So far, at least three Republican senators have declared themselves in favor of removing Trump: Romney, Murkowski, and Toomey.  The majority in the new Senate session can elect Schumer as Majority Leader who then puts on the agenda the trial of the President under articles of impeachment.  

 

It is indeed possible that 17 Republican votes could be found to convict Trump since the Republican party leadership would be happy to be rid of him, but they would have to be willing to face the rage of the Trumpites, which is less certain.

 

This path will only be tried, however, in the unlikely event that Chuck Schumer grows a pair.

 

not so fast.  read more than just the headline.

 

"The Senate is currently in recess and is holding pro forma sessions every three days until January 19. Pursuant to the unanimously approved order setting up the recess and these pro forma sessions, the Senate may conduct no business until January 19," McConnell wrote.

 

He added that the Senate will hold two more pro-forma sessions on Tuesday, Jan. 12 and Friday, Jan. 15.

 

"Without unanimous consent, the Senate may not conduct any business of any kind during pro forma sessions, including beginning to act on received articles of impeachment from the House," McConnell wrote.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-letter-senate-impeachment-summary

 

 

would only need one senator to oppose considering impeachment, not a quorum.

[Jeffr2]

These guys are facing serious charges.  They are in BIG trouble.

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/three-men-charged-connection-events-us-capitol

Jacob Anthony Chansley, a.k.a. Jake Angeli, of Arizona, was charged with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and with violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. Chansley was taken into custody today.

 

            It is alleged that Chansley was identified as the man seen in media coverage who entered the Capitol building dressed in horns, a bearskin headdress, red, white and blue face paint, shirtless, and tan pants. This individual carried a spear, approximately 6 feet in length, with an American flag tied just below the blade.

 

            Adam Johnson, 36, of Florida, was charged with one count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority; one count of theft of government property; and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. Johnson was arrested yesterday and is currently in custody.

 

            It is alleged that on Jan. 6, 2021, Johnson illegally entered the United States Capitol and removed the Speaker of the House’s lectern from where it had been stored on the House side of the Capitol building. A search of open sources led law enforcement to Johnson, who is allegedly seen in a widely circulated photo inside the Capitol carrying the lectern.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

These guys are facing serious charges.  They are in BIG trouble.

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/three-men-charged-connection-events-us-capitol

Jacob Anthony Chansley, a.k.a. Jake Angeli, of Arizona, was charged with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and with violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. Chansley was taken into custody today.

 

            It is alleged that Chansley was identified as the man seen in media coverage who entered the Capitol building dressed in horns, a bearskin headdress, red, white and blue face paint, shirtless, and tan pants. This individual carried a spear, approximately 6 feet in length, with an American flag tied just below the blade.

 

            Adam Johnson, 36, of Florida, was charged with one count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority; one count of theft of government property; and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. Johnson was arrested yesterday and is currently in custody.

 

            It is alleged that on Jan. 6, 2021, Johnson illegally entered the United States Capitol and removed the Speaker of the House’s lectern from where it had been stored on the House side of the Capitol building. A search of open sources led law enforcement to Johnson, who is allegedly seen in a widely circulated photo inside the Capitol carrying the lectern.

So we have one bloke dressed up as a flag waving Indian and another fooling around with a stand, and folk here call it a "Coup" and "Terrorism".....????....????

I would have thought it was just a lack of police presence to send them on their way.....

[cmarshall]

11 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

not so fast.  read more than just the headline.

 

"The Senate is currently in recess and is holding pro forma sessions every three days until January 19. Pursuant to the unanimously approved order setting up the recess and these pro forma sessions, the Senate may conduct no business until January 19," McConnell wrote.

 

He added that the Senate will hold two more pro-forma sessions on Tuesday, Jan. 12 and Friday, Jan. 15.

 

"Without unanimous consent, the Senate may not conduct any business of any kind during pro forma sessions, including beginning to act on received articles of impeachment from the House," McConnell wrote.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-letter-senate-impeachment-summary

 

 

would only need one senator to oppose considering impeachment, not a quorum.

 

I believe that McConnell wrote that, but I am not fully convinced that his claims settle the matter.  It would take the Senate parliamentarian to determine whether fifty-one senators could call the Senate to order during a such period of recess or not.  So, I regard the question as open, but even if it is possible I doubt that Schumer would take advantage of it

[spidermike007]

Outstanding. All of the people who actually entered the Capital building, should be charged. If not a charge as strong as sedition, at the minimum breaking and entering, unlawful entry, trespassing, etc. As many people as can be identified, charge them. Let them stand trial, and endure the headache, the embarrassment (assuming they have any pride), the lawyers fees, and possible a jail term, or a heavy fine. Let them learn something about obeying a non patriot, and not questioning the distinction between truth, reality, and disseminated nonsense and hatred. 

 

They stormed the Capital building while a joint session of Congress was taking place. They broke in, unlawfully. I believe DC police should have been there, along with the National Guard, to prevent this. They had ample warning, and they saw the extent of the aggression in the speech of both an unhinged Trump, and his totally insane subject, Giuliani. 

 

Most of those who participated are not rational people, and are embracing a rather extremist mindset and belief system. Perhaps they need to be jarred back to earth and a semblance of reality. I believe Trump should be locked up in a cell until the 20th. However, without Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter he has been reduced to a near zero. 

 

What did they actually say? During a rally shortly before the violence at the Capitol, Trump called on his supporters to “fight like hell” before dispatching them to march to the houses of Congress as they were considering objections to the electoral votes that declared President-elect Joe Biden the winner of the Nov. 3 election. At the same rally, Giuliani urged “trial by combat” on Trump’s claims that he was the genuine winner.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/07/capitol-riots-probe-trump-giuliani-456272

 

And Rudy - This has been a year in which they have invaded our freedom of speech, our freedom of religion, our freedom to move, our freedom to live. I’ll be darned if they’re going to take away our free and fair vote. And we’re going to fight to the very end to make sure that doesn’t happen.

 

This election was stolen in seven states. They picked states where they have crooked Democratic cities, where they could push everybody around. And it has to be vindicated to save our republic. This is bigger than Donald Trump. It’s bigger than you and me. It’s about these monuments and what they stand for.

 

But if we’re right, a lot of them will go to jail. Let’s have trial by combat. I’m willing to stake my reputation, the President is willing to stake his reputation, on the fact that we’re going to find criminality there.

 

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/rudy-giuliani-speech-transcript-at-trumps-washington-d-c-rally-wants-trial-by-combat

 

 

 

 

Edited January 10, 2021 by spidermike007

[Chomper Higgot]

24 minutes ago, transam said:

So we have one bloke dressed up as a flag waving Indian and another fooling around with a stand, and folk here call it a "Coup" and "Terrorism".....????....????

I would have thought it was just a lack of police presence to send them on their way.....

Well there are the small matters of ‘Molotov Cocktails’ and ‘Pipe Bombs’.

 

And that’s before we get to the cop killing, Blue Lives Matter and all that.

[transam]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well there are the small matters of ‘Molotov Cocktails’ and ‘Pipe Bombs’.

 

And that’s before we get to the cop killing, Blue Lives Matter and all that.

There are always oddballs at any gathering, you should know that....????

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, transam said:

There are always oddballs at any gathering, you should know that....????

Oddballs is a strange tag for people arming themselves with ‘pipe-bombs’ and ‘Molotov Cocktails’ in violent attack against the nation’s Capitol.

 

Couldn’t you think of anything further removed from the violent truth of what they are?!

[ChouDoufu]

Capitol siege was planned online. Trump supporters now planning the next one

 

WASHINGTON – The planning for Wednesday’s assault on the U.S. Capitol happened largely in plain view, with chatters in far-right forums explicitly discussing how to storm the building, handcuff lawmakers with zip ties and disrupt the certification of Joe Biden’s election – in what they portrayed as responding to orders from President Donald Trump.

 

This went far beyond the widely reported, angry talk about thronging Washington that day. Trump supporters exchanged detailed tactical advice about what to bring and what to do once they assembled at the Capitol to conduct “citizens arrests” of members of Congress. One poster said, “[expletive] zip ties. I’m bringing rope!”

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/capitol-siege-was-planned-online-trump-supporters-are-planning-the-next-one/

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6 minutes ago, transam said:

There are always oddballs at any gathering, you should know that....????

Like the ones who come up with really craxy uses for fire extinguishers.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oddballs is a strange tag for people arming themselves with ‘pipe-bombs’ and ‘Molotov Cocktails’ in violent attack against the nation’s Capitol.

 

Couldn’t you think of anything further removed from the violent truth of what they are?!

Well, where I come from I think I would call them fruit cakes, but we all know what oddballs mean....????

You tell me, as you refer to these fruit cakes as terrorists, how many were tooled up, how many were found with bombs, how many ended up in McDonald's bragging about stealing Government toilet rolls...?

[stevenl]

3 hours ago, Virt said:

<snip>

If he had done what any normal politician would do, he would leave and let the American people experience how Biden/Harris rules the next 4 years and then he could have a go for the post again. 

 

Now he can forget about that. 

<snip>

Too early to say that IMO, he may still be back. The GOP is divided, so he could be part of that, or he could run independent, propelled by his own media company and the likes of Infowars, Breitbart and others.

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, transam said:

There are always oddballs at any gathering, you should know that....????

A gathering sounds like you are suggesting it was like a garden party.

[Jingthing]

Just now, stevenl said:

Too early to say that IMO, he may still be back. The GOP is divided, so he could be part of that, or he could run independent, propelled by his own media company and the likes of Infowars, Breitbart and others.

Not if he is impeached and convicted.

[simple1]

1 minute ago, transam said:

There are always oddballs at any gathering, you should know that....????

 

Timely to remind the definition of terrorism which by their actions, some of the 'mob' do comply.

 

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

 

Some of the 'oddballs' have been identified as linked to the far right. However, have to wait and see what's disclosed during Court proceeding, To me is is obvious they were completely ignorant as to how to directly affect decision making in the House. Perhaps they were stupid enough to believe trump would lead them, rather than return to the WH after his incitement efforts.

[ChouDoufu]

7 minutes ago, transam said:

Well, where I come from I think I would call them fruit cakes, but we all know what oddballs mean....????

You tell me, as you refer to these fruit cakes as terrorists, how many were tooled up, how many were found with bombs, how many ended up in McDonald's bragging about stealing Government toilet rolls...?

 

how many are needed to set off a bomb?

[transam]

Just now, simple1 said:

 

Timely to remind the definition of terrorism which by their actions, some of the 'mob' do comply.

 

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

 

Some of the 'oddballs' have been identified as linked to the far right. However, have to wait and see what's disclosed during Court proceeding, To me is is obvious they were completely ignorant as to how to directly affect decision making in the House. Perhaps they were stupid enough to believe trump would lead them, rather than return to the WH after his incitement efforts.

You get that in any gathering.....UK has the same...????

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not if he is impeached and convicted.

True, but doubtful that will happen. Trump may even ask Pence to go ahead with article 25 to prevent impeachment ????

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yep, terrorists.

 

Using violence against an elected government to attain political ends.

 

 

Terrorists.

The elected officials that were sheltering in place were certainly terrified. Of course it was terrorism! The intent was to illegally overturn the results of an election by mob rule!

Edited January 10, 2021 by Jingthing

[bendejo]

55 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

These guys are facing serious charges.  They are in BIG trouble.

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/three-men-charged-connection-events-us-capitol

Jacob Anthony Chansley, a.k.a. Jake Angeli, of Arizona, was charged with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and with violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. Chansley was taken into custody today.

 

            It is alleged that Chansley was identified as the man seen in media coverage who entered the Capitol building dressed in horns, a bearskin headdress, red, white and blue face paint, shirtless, and tan pants. This individual carried a spear, approximately 6 feet in length, with an American flag tied just below the blade.

 

            Adam Johnson, 36, of Florida, was charged with one count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority; one count of theft of government property; and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. Johnson was arrested yesterday and is currently in custody.

 

            It is alleged that on Jan. 6, 2021, Johnson illegally entered the United States Capitol and removed the Speaker of the House’s lectern from where it had been stored on the House side of the Capitol building. A search of open sources led law enforcement to Johnson, who is allegedly seen in a widely circulated photo inside the Capitol carrying the lectern.

 

So, if this whole assault was an ANTIFA false-flag operation, all these guys mentioned above are ANTIFA combatants, right?  Are they getting the DT nutters sending them death threats and denouncing them on social media? 

Their leader plays duplicity even when he is blatantly obvious, and they buy it.  Now they're trying to do it themselves, knowing each of them is as dumb as themselves.  Yes, 74 million people fall for it, but thankfully 81 million other people don't.

 

 

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

A gathering sounds like you are suggesting it was like a garden party.

You can imagine what you like chap.....????

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

True, but doubtful that will happen. Trump may even ask Pence to go ahead with article 25 to prevent impeachment ????

No. Trump would never ask that. But he might resign to get a pardon from Pence. But at this point I'm not sure Pence would comply.

[ChouDoufu]

when it reigns it pours!

 

 

White House Forced Georgia U.S. Attorney to Resign

Pressure for resignation was part of broader push by President Trump to overturn state’s election results

 

White House officials pushed Atlanta’s top federal prosecutor to resign before Georgia’s U.S. Senate runoffs because President Trump was upset he wasn’t doing enough to investigate the president’s unproven claims of election fraud, people familiar with the matter said.

 

A senior Justice Department official, at the behest of the White House, called the Trump-appointed U.S. Attorney Byung J. Pak late on the night of Jan. 3. In that call the official said Mr. Trump was furious there was no investigation related to election fraud and that the president wanted to fire Mr. Pak, the people said.

 

Mr. Pak resigned abruptly on Monday—the day before the runoffs—saying in an early morning email to colleagues that his departure was due to “unforeseen circumstances.”

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-forced-georgia-u-s-attorney-to-resign-11610225840

 

 

expect to see much more of this in the next few days.

apparently it was trump himself who will provide the rope.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

how many are needed to set off a bomb?

Bit off topic there chap, but did one go off at this gathering, did I miss something...?

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

You can imagine what you like chap.....????

I can see clearly that you're trying to trivialize one of the most serious attacks on American democracy in US history.

Edited January 10, 2021 by Jingthing