Trump supporters who stormed U.S. Capitol could face sedition charges -prosecutor

[billd766]

11 hours ago, bendejo said:

 

Innocent by reason of stupidity.  Hey, even some members of Congress could skate with that one!

All action regarding the mob should be put off until the GOP is out of the WH, let the new AG handle this.

And then there's this

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/politics/donald-trump-self-pardon/index.html

 

My guess is they'll make some sort of a deal to look in the other way in exchange for him accepting that he cannot be president again.  It's like was being said post-Nixon, that prosecuting a former president make the country look bad -- that's the kind of stuff I'm expecting to hear this time as well.
 

 

What really looks bad is that Trump is the main cause of splitting the USA and when he is n longer POTUS he should should be arrested for sedition, stripped of any POTUS benefits and jailed for life, meaning life, and ALL his co-conspirators with him should be treated equally.

 

Once Biden is affirmed as POTUS the administration has to look into abuse of power by ANY POTUS and what amendment will be needed to stop this ever happening again.

 

There should also be an amendment preventing any POTUS from self pardoning.

[billd766]

8 minutes ago, Caldera said:

I'd like to thank the members of the Trump Mob for being so kind to record plenty of video and photo evidence.

 

Seriously though, how dumb can you be?

 

Just look at the man? they support and you can see how dumb they can be.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Nout said:

There has been months of rioting, looting, burning, arson, even killing by leftist and liberals. And a full four years of 'resistance' to the democratic process by middle class millennial Marxists and media luvvies. Their hypocrisy is nauseating. Three people died in the demonstration including one woman shot dead by police. But not a murmur from the media. Wrong colour..wrong politics.  But my guess is we are going to see a lot more such demonstrations and 'resistance' from the conservative elements in the USA...Its just starting.

Not surprising you are deflecting towards "leftist and liberals" and ignoring the fact that White Supremacists are considered the number one terrorist threat in America by law enforcement agencies and have done far more killing since Trump took office than protesters, counter-protesters, and others in all the protests against police killings.

 

I'm curious, do you consider the US Capital building to be just another building and Congress certifying the results of the electoral college vote just another mundane day at the office?  Or do you acknowledge that this was an attack, egged on by the President, against democracy and the US system of government?

[ballpoint]

It's not just prosecution they face, some have already been fired from their jobs.  Meanwhile, the general public have been playing online detective in big numbers, with a number of social media accounts set up to name and shame those who took part.  Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch.

 

"As he strolled past gold-framed portraits of past Congressional leaders, one rioter who stormed the Capitol in a pro-Trump mob on Wednesday wore a red Trump hat, a commemorative sweatshirt from the president’s inauguration and a lanyard around his neck.

When a photo of him went viral, it didn’t take Internet sleuths long to realize that the lanyard held his work badge — clearly identifying him as an employee of Navistar Direct Marketing, a printing company in Frederick, Md.

On Thursday, Navistar swiftly fired him."

 

Internet detectives are identifying scores of pro-Trump rioters at the Capitol. Some have already been fired. (msn.com)

[ChouDoufu]

6 hours ago, J Town said:

If you pay attention to the speech 45 gave right before the terrorist invasion, he said he was going to walk right there with them. They thought their big brother was gonna walk up to the capitol, punch those nasty liberals in the nose, and reign supreme for another four years. Of course the gutless bully stayed back. Reports have it he watched in real time, delighted and entertained at what he caused.

 

there is cellphone video of the alleged party uploaded to youtube.  the one linked by drudge appears to be a private channel, so no posting links here.

 

you can click from drudge, or search youtube for "Trump Riot Watch Party".

[Histavia]

15 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

Trump could pardon them.
 

If Trump resigns or is removed under amendment 25, than Pence could pardon him!

[Histavia]

3 hours ago, Nout said:

There has been months of rioting, looting, burning, arson, even killing by leftist and liberals. And a full four years of 'resistance' to the democratic process by middle class millennial Marxists and media luvvies. Their hypocrisy is nauseating. Three people died in the demonstration including one woman shot dead by police. But not a murmur from the media. Wrong colour..wrong politics.  But my guess is we are going to see a lot more such demonstrations and 'resistance' from the conservative elements in the USA...Its just starting.

so your argument is that if someone does something you don't approve of, you can do it too?

[Paradise Pete]

14 hours ago, SometimezaGreatNotion said:

As far as I know, presidential pardon is not reviewable by any court.

Correct. The only thing that is not clear is if he pardons himself. If so, then perhaps the new AG will be more likely to bring charges in order to test that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(And of course a presidential pardon will not protect him from state charges such as NY seems to be planning. He'd need the NY governor to do it, and good luck with that.)

[Histavia]

3 minutes ago, Paradise Pete said:

Correct. The only thing that is not clear is if he pardons himself. If so, then perhaps the new AG will be more likely to bring charges in order to test that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(And of course a presidential pardon will not protect him from state charges such as NY seems to be planning. He'd need the NY governor to do it, and good luck with that.)

Pence could pardon him as acting President. But impeachment can continue regardless of whether or not he's in office.

 

I have to say, init is unlike Trump to miscalculate - as it seems he has here - unless he realised his later u-turn or retraction speech would be enough to get him off the hook. Let's hope it doesn't...Pence seems to be retreating back into the Trump camp already....

[shdmn]

21 minutes ago, Histavia said:

Pence could pardon him as acting President. But impeachment can continue regardless of whether or not he's in office.

 

I have to say, init is unlike Trump to miscalculate - as it seems he has here - unless he realised his later u-turn or retraction speech would be enough to get him off the hook. Let's hope it doesn't...Pence seems to be retreating back into the Trump camp already....

It's 'calculated' in as much as Evil Knevel calculated a jump.  He looked how far it was, stuck out his thumb to measure the wind, then went for it and usually crashed and broke bones.

 

Edited January 8, 2021 by shdmn

[spiekerjozef]

43 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

there is cellphone video of the alleged party uploaded to youtube.  the one linked by drudge appears to be a private channel, so no posting links here.

 

you can click from drudge, or search youtube for "Trump Riot Watch Party".

Confirm, it was all planned.

[impulse]

52 minutes ago, Histavia said:

so your argument is that if someone does something you don't approve of, you can do it too?

 

Nope. 

 

But I would contend that, had they cared about the tens of thousands of ordinary citizens terrorized by these guys over the past 6 months, most of the ringleaders would have been in prison already and wouldn't have been in DC to instigate the worst of the acts.

 

As in most protests turned ugly, I suspect the majority were there to exercise their 1st amendment rights to peacefully protest what they perceive (rightly or wrongly) as a stolen election. 

 

It'll be interesting to see over the next weeks and months who's behind the hijacking that sent this protest off the rails.  Maybe it was just Trump.  But there's a lot of investigating to do.

 

[shdmn]

58 minutes ago, Paradise Pete said:

Correct. The only thing that is not clear is if he pardons himself. If so, then perhaps the new AG will be more likely to bring charges in order to test that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(And of course a presidential pardon will not protect him from state charges such as NY seems to be planning. He'd need the NY governor to do it, and good luck with that.)

He cannot pardon himself.  I don't know why people believe that is even possible.  No, it's not legally ambiguous.  Not in the least.  Not possible, end of story.

 

What can happen, and I personally think was the plan all along, is for him to either be removed or step down and have Pence pardon him.  Removal is probably better because then he can play the victim even more. 

[Salerno]

17 minutes ago, impulse said:

... most of the ringleaders would have been in prison already and wouldn't have been in DC to instigate the worst of the acts.

 

What exactly are you alluding to here?

[Patong2021]

Not good optics. However, let's be realistic - the USA will never convict a US President because of the stain it will make on the office. The office is bigger than politics. No pardon for these people.

 

 

 

 

[impulse]

Just now, Salerno said:

What exactly are you alluding to here?

 

Alluding?  The fact that it was easy to identify the ringleaders from their photos at recent riots where they did pretty much the same thing to terrorize ordinary citizens.  For weeks on end.  But they weren't arrested then.  Why not and why now?

[Neeranam]

How on earth were they allowed to get in? 

[bendejo]

4 hours ago, Caldera said:

I'd like to thank the members of the Trump Mob for being so kind to record plenty of video and photo evidence.

 

Seriously though, how dumb can you be?

 

One resolution I made after the 2016 election is I'll never again say "nobody can be that stupid."

 

[Histavia]

27 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Nope. 

 

But I would contend that, had they cared about the tens of thousands of ordinary citizens terrorized by these guys over the past 6 months, most of the ringleaders would have been in prison already and wouldn't have been in DC to instigate the worst of the acts.

 

As in most protests turned ugly, I suspect the majority were there to exercise their 1st amendment rights to peacefully protest what they perceive (rightly or wrongly) as a stolen election. 

 

It'll be interesting to see over the next weeks and months who's behind the hijacking that sent this protest off the rails.  Maybe it was just Trump.  But there's a lot of investigating to do.

 

I think what we can take away form this "demo" - is that they weren't black and the security forces did nothing.

 

most protests don't "turn ugly"

[shdmn]

Trump cost Republicans the Presidency, the Senate, and the House.  So in the end he actually did make America great again.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 8, 2021 by shdmn

[impulse]

46 minutes ago, Histavia said:

I think what we can take away form this "demo" - is that they weren't black and the security forces did nothing.

 

most protests don't "turn ugly"

 

But when they do, it's usually because they've been hijacked by a small minority.  Often outside agitators.  Seems to be the case here, but lots of investigating needs to be done.

 

Security forces did nothing because, in spite of weeks of very public interweb chatter about their plans, someone didn't assign enough security.  And a lot of the security guys were filmed high fiving and taking selfies with the protestors and holding the doors open for them before it got ugly.

 

Gotta wonder what the NSA is doing with all that data they're hoovering up if they're not using it to protect the Capital from "insurrection".  But that's a whole 'nother topic.

 

 

Edited January 8, 2021 by impulse

[placeholder]

19 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

But when they do, it's usually because they've been hijacked by a small minority.  Often outside agitators.  Seems to be the case here, but lots of investigating needs to be done.

This raising of the possibility of "outside agitators" was so predictable. Actually, for what it's worth (very little), I did predict it. At least I said allegations of a "false flag" operation were sure to follow.

[Nout]

6 hours ago, placeholder said:

Whatever the truth of what you're saying is (not much) how many of those acts were incited by the President of the United States? And, by the way, there is also a police officer dead from injuries incurred while battling the rioters.

Factual truth, recorded, filmed, witnessed and it was encouraged and supported by senior democrat politicians including pellossi and Harris et al.  Do you remember that weeks/ months went by before the Democrats condemned the violence only when they found public opinion was turning against ANTIFA and BLM. The physical damage done by them was far greater and arguably the sustained violence did more damage to the democratic process than the one recent demo, the reporting of which has been biast  selective outrage...but the anger of ordinary people is just starting. 4 more years...

[Nout]

1 hour ago, Histavia said:

I think what we can take away form this "demo" - is that they weren't black and the security forces did nothing.

 

most protests don't "turn ugly"

The security forces shot a middle aged white women dead at this demo.

The security forces did nothing during the summer of BLM and ANTIFA looting, arson and rioting.

[shdmn]

12 minutes ago, Nout said:

The security forces shot a middle aged white women dead at this demo.

The security forces did nothing during the summer of BLM and ANTIFA looting, arson and rioting.

Yes, storming the Capital building in an attempted coup, bashing down the outer door to the inner chamber, and jumping over barriers placed by secret service while they have their guns drawn and warn you to stop or they will shoot, is EXACTLY like a BLM protest marching down the street.  ????

 

I read the darnedest things from the domestic terrorist supporters around here.

 

Edited January 8, 2021 by shdmn

[Scott]

Troll post removed.  

 

[BusyB]

21 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

CNN is running lots of interviews with people who attacked the building.  Wow!  What a bunch of nuts!  Clearly, not very smart people and not in touch with reality.  Sadly, driven by the lies of Trump, and the conspiracy theories on social media.  They need to seek professional help.  Perhaps deprogramming?

 

Maybe but my sympathy is limited - we choose who to listen to and follow. Being Americans I bet a lot of them have spent much time in church, and heard lots about Jesus, but decided against that and went full on Trump instead.

 

Any rate I certainly don't consider them brave - I look towards the people in Leipzig in 1989 for that kind of inspiration.

Edited January 8, 2021 by Scott

[bendejo]

51 minutes ago, BusyB said:

 

Maybe but my sympathy is limited - we choose who to listen to and follow. Being Americans I bet a lot of them have spent much time in church, and heard lots about Jesus, but decided against that and went full on Trumpler instead.

 

Anyrate I certainly don't consider them brave - I look towards the people in Leipzig in 1989 for that kind of inspiration.

 

Look to the rally that preceded the attack.  There was talk about Jesus (he was on their side, delivered DT unto them, etc).  And of course Jesus wanted them to fight pedophilia, abortion, cannibalism, etc. 

Same rally that DT said "we're going to march to The Capitol" multiple times (look at the 1+ hour vid and count the number of times he said "we" would march, should you doubt).  I wanted to see it him do it, he probably hasn't walked more than 1 block at a time in years.  But him and the family cabal were gone, probably had a bunker to inspect.

 

[bendejo]

9 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Seems this chap tased himself in the genitals, one presumes accidently, and died from aheart attack.

 

Alabama man dies amid pro-Trump rally, riot at U.S. Capitol

[...]

 

Obviously a man of peace.  He will be missed.

 

[Tie Dye Samurai]

9 hours ago, Nout said:

There has been months of rioting, looting, burning, arson, even killing by leftist and liberals. And a full four years of 'resistance' to the democratic process by middle class millennial Marxists and media luvvies. Their hypocrisy is nauseating. Three people died in the demonstration including one woman shot dead by police. But not a murmur from the media. Wrong colour..wrong politics.  But my guess is we are going to see a lot more such demonstrations and 'resistance' from the conservative elements in the USA...Its just starting.

What rock are you living under? The deaths of these four people, especially the woman, has been all over the news. And as far as months of looting and rioting by the "liberals and leftist", none of that was incited and directed by Dear President to go take over the seat of democracy while an election, that he lost (and lost badly by the way) was being certified. Not only did he put the entire congress in jeopardy, he threatened the lives of the of his own Vice President and the Speaker of the House who are 2nd and 3rd in the line of succession to the presidency. This was COMPLETELY next level compared to anything BLM or any other protests that were going on during the summer and it would be laughable, if it was not so sad because I am sure you actually believe that BS,  that you throw that up as comparison. . And Trump watched the whole thing on television and refused to call the National Guard...The Vice President had to do his job for him. 

 

And as far as wrong color wrong politics...I cant believe I am going to have to paint this picture for you but what do you think the response would have been if instead of the Duck Dynasty crowd marching up to the Capital Building after a insurrection Pep Rally being fueled by Donald Trump...it was the 30K fired up and p*ssed off BLM supporters that Barack Obama had incited to go fight for the country? The response would not have been a few cops with mace....the response, as we saw during the summer, would have been full on SWAT team battalions and mounted police, The National Guard, RIOT Squads, unmarked security forces...hell if they were storming the Capital Building with a full session of congress going on inside to certify an election....the way the core viewership of Hee Haw did, there probably would have been air support and Navy Seals provided. The response was 1000 times more tactical, violent and measured just to let Trump walk across a park to hold up a bible than it was to protect the senate, house and VP from those Sons of Anarchy wannabes that POTUS siced on the People's House. That is what is wrong color wrong politics my fellow American.....

Edited January 8, 2021 by Tie Dye Samurai