33 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

If trump is deluded enough to think he can win again, and his narcissism suggests he is, I can’t wait to see the ad campaigns showing rioting trump supporters attempting to overthrow the free, fair and above all democratic vote. 
 

That should be enough to remind the more rational Republicans what trump is. 
 

The qanon, white supremacists and other lunatic fringe conspiracy theorists may well not care but the majority of Republicans, I hope, do.  
 

trump is toast as a presidential candidate and it is all of his own doing. 
 

I do like the sweet irony of that. 

Trump will start his re-election campaign, not because he’s so deluded he can again gain the WH but because it’s a sure fired way to milk his supporters for donations.

 

The small print will permit him to pocket their money and they’ll be smiling while they hand it over.

 

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump will start his re-election campaign, not because he’s so deluded he can again gain the WH but because it’s a sure fired way to milk his supporters for donations.

 

The small print will permit him to pocket their money and they’ll be smiling while they hand it over.

 

 

 

 

Surely he's too old to run again? No one over 75 is fit to be the leader.

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Surely he's too old to run again? No one over 75 is fit to be the leader.

That particular speaking point will be forgotten  on the basis that it’s no longer ‘convenient’.

4 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Trump has a much, MUCH better chance of ending up in prison than the White House.  But by all means, keep praying and wishing to your heart's content. 

Keep dreaming. 

 

Nothing but pure unhinged hatred for the past five years. Five years of made up accusations and a phony collusion hoax. 

 

Two ridiculous impeachment failures. 

 

Quite a week for the left.......

 

And the phony Lincoln project and their grifters are destroyed. Cuomo and Newsom will be out of office soon. 

 

Great week. Keep up the great work. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Surely he's too old to run again? No one over 75 is fit to be the leader.

If age is a disqualification, it would be the least of them in Trump's case.

3 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Keep dreaming. 

 

Nothing but pure unhinged hatred for the past five years. Five years of made up accusations and a phony collusion hoax. 

 

Two ridiculous impeachment failures. 

 

Quite a week for the left.......

 

And the phony Lincoln project and their grifters are destroyed. Cuomo and Newsom will be out of office soon. 

 

Great week. Keep up the great work. 

 

 

Do stick around, we’ll discuss this later.

10 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

The GOP did not have a platform in 2020.

 

 

Their platform was literally everything that Mr. trump wants, we want. That signaled the official degradation of the once great republican party, the party of Lincoln, into a completely authoritarian, anti-democracy, cult of personality power organ that is more like we would expect from North Korea than North Carolina. 

1 hour ago, MarleyMarl said:

 

I think this is true also. What a convenience covid-19 was for the Chinese/Democrats. Say what you want about Trump, he has plenty of faults, but as a non-American, non-conservative, I think he had good policies and in my opinion was quite refreshing in current times of political correctness madness from "woke" liberal social justice warriors that seem to have a grip on all media and tech.

I'll probably get attacked for my statements, because that's what liberals/leftists do.

 

In the end he did not start WW3, collude with the Russians, or any other nonsense democrats or left biased media/Hollywood were spewing. Instead he got relentlessly attacked before he was even sworn in. Then when BLM protests started, and I should say it is a matter of fact that the leaders are Marxists, the democrats were inciting them and even bailing them out https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/31/meet-the-rioting-criminals-kamala-harris-helped-bail-out-of-jail/.

 

For reference here is just some things I can think off the top of my head.

 

1. Just as he was getting elected North Korea was all over the news, testing rockets, making threats. Trump squashed it all with strong words and then even meeting Kim Jong-un, the first US president/world leader to do so?
    
2. Black unemployment rates were at their lowest in history prior to 2020. Whilst critics say it was a positive trend as he got into office, the fact still remains.
    
3. He actually gave better/mode funding to predominantly black universities. https://apnews.com/article/c4834e48841d97c5a93312b1bf75302a
    
4. Signed an executive order to lower drug prices https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-executive-order-lowers-drug-prices
    
5. First US president in 40 years to not start a new conflict.
    
6. Then the general stuff like tough stance on China and trade with China, making some companies leave China and other companies to plan to manufacture in US, like Apple who at the time build the Mac Pro in US.

This has got to be one of the most inept attempts at gaslighting I've seen in this forum:

,"but as a non-American, non-conservative, I think"...

"I'll probably get attacked for my statements, because that's what liberals/leftists do."

It is to laugh.

 

 

9 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Agreed!  He shot himself in the foot big time with his lies and denials of the virus. Otherwise, he would have won.

If he had been even marginally competent on the pandemic response and shown even shallow barely believable compassion for the plight of all the American people in this time of crisis (not only the Proud Boys types) yes he would have been reelected. It's always unlikely to unseat any incumbent. 

16 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Keep dreaming. 

 

Nothing but pure unhinged hatred for the past five years. Five years of made up accusations and a phony collusion hoax. 

 

Two ridiculous impeachment failures. 

 

Quite a week for the left.......

 

And the phony Lincoln project and their grifters are destroyed. Cuomo and Newsom will be out of office soon. 

 

Great week. Keep up the great work. 

 

 

What colllusion hoax? Republican led committee confirmed there was collusion.

 

Do you have a link to substantiate your claim? I think not.

12 hours ago, PatOngo said:

A party of spineless cowards!

My take is that worse than spineless cowards ... they have actively supported he and his ilk. I would hope all could understand that with 74 million Americans having voted for the continuation such as Trump, I feel I have lost my country.

19 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Keep dreaming. 

 

Nothing but pure unhinged hatred for the past five years. Five years of made up accusations and a phony collusion hoax. 

 

Two ridiculous impeachment failures. 

 

Quite a week for the left.......

 

And the phony Lincoln project and their grifters are destroyed. Cuomo and Newsom will be out of office soon. 

 

Great week. Keep up the great work. 

 

 

Trump lost.

 

1 term

2 impeachments.

 

Biden got most votes against a sitting president, ever.

 

How does it feel?

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

If he had been even marginally competent on the pandemic response and shown even shallow barely believable compassion for the plight of all the American people in this time of crisis (not only the Proud Boys types) yes he would have been reelected. It's always unlikely to unseat any incumbent. 

I’ll put that in more simple terms.

 

’If he had been at all capable of doing the job he was elected to do’.

 

He wasn’t, the majority saw he wasn’t and voted accordingly.

10 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

That has nothing to do with anything in the weak deflection you have tried. 

 

Anyone can register, prove your identity and your address then vote. 

 

What are you afraid of? A fair bipartisan verification and observation of every single ballot? 

Your assumption is not validated by any factual documentation. So says over 60 court cases challenging the validity of the 2020 election.

9 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Trump has a much, MUCH better chance of ending up in prison than the White House.  But by all means, keep praying and wishing to your heart's content. 

Sorry, no. By the time all legal options are appeals are done with Trump will be long dead.

15 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

The trump gop platform has been set. It is not the platform of wall street and the chamber of commerce. By far the best thing to happen to politicians in decades. 

 

We know where Joe's campaign was funds came from. Wall Street and big tech. Neither of these entities have the interest of the public in mind. 

 

He'll have his own media voice that will only grow larger and the cabal of big tech oligarchs will not be able to cope. 

 

 

You gotta be kidding. Trump gutted the regulations put on Wall St. and the banks after it nearly made the world economy collapse in 2008. Ya think those tax cuts on corporations were pushed to benefit the middle and working classes?

On 2/15/2021 at 7:13 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

[“If this vote was taken in secret, there would be a conviction," Democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal said.]

 

The criminal cases against Trump are heading right at him and these will further broadcast his criminality.

 

Republicans in the Senate decided to put themselves on record as his blind faith supporters, they’ll pay a price for this.

 

Putting aside the problem their support for Trump creates for the GOP in the mid terms it’s already causing a schism in the party.

 

 

 

 

 

sycophants on bended knees smiling shamefully into the cameras. If they had all shown courage and broken with him Trump would sink like a stone and republicans would have no choice but to vote for their representatives. Admit your mistake, you put an illiterate janitor in charge of the college.

19 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I hope I'm still around to see Trump's triumphant return to the White House in 2025. IMO the democrats' worst fears are going to be realised in 2022, and 2024.

Well as long as you are giving Biden a chance, that's the main thing!

So you are saying that even if Biden got the pandemic under control, the economy back on it's feet, mended all the broken international fences, solved all the race issues in America (an exageration of course) and generally did everything a great POTUS should do, you would STILL vote for Trump?

This 'Trump or nothing' stance is the true indicator of someone who has drunk too much of the Koolaid (especially when they have been saying for ages they weren't even a Trump fan) and shows just how far down the rabbitt hole you have travelled.

Objectivity is a thing. Try it.
 

On 2/14/2021 at 11:38 PM, webfact said:

Trump still a powerful force in Republican politics

...in the same way a wrecking ball is a powerful piece of kit during demolition.

15 hours ago, Neeranam said:

This looks like a success to me .

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-45827430

 

So in defence of Trump you have posted a graph that clearly shows that unemployment had been gradually declining under Obama for 6 years and continued to do so for another 3 years under Trump and to you Trump gets the credit for this?

Classic Trump cultish behaviour. You just couldn't make this stuff up.

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

 

So in defence of Trump you have posted a graph that clearly shows that unemployment had been gradually declining under Obama for 6 years and continued to do so for another 3 years under Trump and to you Trump gets the credit for this?

Classic Trump cultish behaviour. You just couldn't make this stuff up.

Back of the net...555

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

 

So in defence of Trump you have posted a graph that clearly shows that unemployment had been gradually declining under Obama for 6 years and continued to do so for another 3 years under Trump and to you Trump gets the credit for this?

Classic Trump cultish behaviour. You just couldn't make this stuff up.

You just don't understand. The economic disaster that arose during the Bush administration was Obama's fault. The economic disaster that arose during the Trump administration was no one's fault.

22 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I hope I'm still around to see Trump's triumphant return to the White House in 2025. IMO the democrats' worst fears are going to be realised in 2022, and 2024.

The good news is you were around after you said the same thing about trump winning the Presidency 2020. We get to laugh and you get to .... make up new stuff.

3 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Not having the ability to know truth from fantasy is a big difference comparing me to you. Fox took the case to court and won the right to post but not be considered news. 

No idea what point you are making.

21 hours ago, placeholder said:

 

I think this is true also. What a convenience covid-19 was for the Chinese/Democrats.

Covid wasn't, as you bizarrely call it a "convenience" for the Democrats. It was Trump's bizarre and dishonest response to it that was. 

Say what you want about Trump, he has plenty of faults, but as a non-American, non-conservative, I think he had good policies and in my opinion was quite refreshing in current times of political correctness madness from "woke" liberal social justice warriors that seem to have a grip on all media and tech. 

Yeah, you're definitely a "non-conservative".  Your claim is laughable.

I'll probably get attacked for my statements, because that's what liberals/leftists do.

It seems like you're confusing attacks on your statements with attacks on yourself. Good thing that your characterization isn't the kind of absolute generalization that extreme right wingers indulge in ...oh wait...

 

In the end he did not start WW3, collude with the Russians, or any other nonsense democrats or left biased media/Hollywood were spewing. Instead he got relentlessly attacked before he was even sworn in. Then when BLM protests started, and I should say it is a matter of fact that the leaders are Marxists, the democrats were inciting them and even bailing them out https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/31/meet-the-rioting-criminals-kamala-harris-helped-bail-out-of-jail/.

Yes, the Federalist. That model of dispassionate even-handed reporting.

 

For reference here is just some things I can think off the top of my head.

 

Just as he was getting elected North Korea was all over the news, testing rockets, making threats. Trump squashed it all with strong words and then even meeting Kim Jong-un, the first US president/world leader to do so?

Squashed what exactly? Kim's nuclear arsenal is bigger and more advanced than ever. And Kim actually got to meet several times with Trump thanks to his threats and rants. Trump even characterized US-South Korean maneuvers as "very provocative". He also said this about the effect his meeting with Kim had:

 

By Mr. Trump’s telling, it was part of a strategy to lower tensions with North Korea.

“I went there, I gave him credibility,” Mr. Trump said. “I think it’s great to give him credibility.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/world/asia/us-trump-north-korea-credible-military-exercises.html

 

Black unemployment rates were at their lowest in history prior to 2020. Whilst critics say it was a positive trend as he got into office, the fact still remains.

The fact remains what exactly? That it was a trend that began before he got into office?

 

He actually gave better/mode funding to predominantly black universities. https://apnews.com/article/c4834e48841d97c5a93312b1bf75302

No, he restored funding that had lapsed during his administration. And Trump put no effort into this. He just signed the bill. If any Republican deserves credit, it's Lamar Alexander. If any Republicans deserve discredit, it's most of them who let it lapse in the first place.

 

Signed an executive order to lower drug prices https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-executive-order-lowers-drug-prices

Signing an order isn't necessarily the same as accomplishing something.

Trump utterly failed to cut drug prices. Here’s how Biden could do better

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-01-19/trump-failure-drug-prices

But thank goodness he finally did deliver on that  'big, beautiful health care plan" that he claimed was nearly ready to go at the start of his administration...well...maybe not.

First US president in 40 years to not start a new conflict.

I'll give him credit for that one. But he did enthusiastically help the Saudi in their creation of the worst humanitarian crisis on the planet in the case of Yemen. And to make things worse, just before he left office, he declared the Houthis a terrorist organization.

 

Then the general stuff like tough stance on China and trade with China, making some companies leave China and other companies to plan to manufacture in US, like Apple who at the time build the Mac Pro in US

Chinese is doing a record export business since Trump declared economic war on them. You sure about all those manufacturing companies coming back to the USA?

‘Reshoring’ Report Finds Factory Work Not Returning to U.S.

The A.T. Kearney analysis suggests manufacturing moved from China to other Asian countries as tariffs rose last year

https://www.wsj.com/articles/reshoring-report-finds-factory-work-not-returning-to-u-s-11562795251

 

 As for the Mac Pro, it's been built in the USA since 2013. What's that got to do with Trump.? Since you're a "non-conservative", I'm sure you'll be happy to give credit for that to Barack Obama.

An absolutely brilliant post Mr "placeholder", however it matters not what facts and truths one puts in the way of these rubes, because they don't have the capacity or capability to understand anything outside of their very narrow, view which is centred on the intellectual capacity of trump, and we all know how big that is.

4 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Not having the ability to know truth from fantasy is a big difference comparing me to you. Fox took the case to court and won the right to post but not be considered news. 

You are not the arbiter of what the truth is anymore than anyone else is. 

 

As long as you understand that, it's all good. 

17 minutes ago, xylophone said:

An absolutely brilliant post Mr "placeholder", however it matters not what facts and truths one puts in the way of these rubes, because they don't have the capacity or capability to understand anything outside of their very narrow, view which is centred on the intellectual capacity of trump, and we all know how big that is.

Why is it that your opinions grant you the intellectual and moral high ground? 

 

This seems to be a recurring theme for the leftists. 

 

 The virtue signaling is ridiculous. 

 

Why does it always return to this same schtick with so many of the left? 

 

Compensating for something? 

 

 

Can't we just have debate without the ridiculous superiority complex? 

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No idea what point you are making.

Just trying to help you not be so confused...

 

Fox has news shows that are often times pointing to truth which does not favor Trump and they have opinion shows like Hannity and Carlson and Dobbs... which will tell you T. pees gold if thats what he wants to portray... T. is widely known as not paying his contractors and workers, forcing them to sue him, which is expensive so most don't bother, bankruptcies that leave others losing $$... etc etc.. when accused of rape he does not say I am not a rapist, he says she is not my type, not pretty enough... 

 

So, if character is an issue of import, that is why many people don't like him... 

26 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Why is it that your opinions grant you the intellectual and moral high ground? 

 

This seems to be a recurring theme for the leftists. 

 

 The virtue signaling is ridiculous. 

 

Why does it always return to this same schtick with so many of the left? 

 

Compensating for something? 

 

 

Can't we just have debate without the ridiculous superiority complex? 

Why is it that your opinions grant you the intellectual and moral high ground? 
From what I've seen on here, and posted elsewhere, my opinions are spot-on.
 
This seems to be a recurring theme for the leftists. 
Sorry to have to tell you that I'm not a "lefty" but somebody who would be marginally left of centre on the political scale.
 
The virtue signaling is ridiculous. 
This is something that I cannot understand and it seems to have come to the fore during the trump years, probably because trump is guilty as charged. Let's take it to the nth degree – – a highly placed politician has been found guilty of wife-beating (for example) on several occasions, yet he is running for office. So when somebody mentions his background of wife-beating, the supporters of this person argue that others are guilty of "virtue signalling"??

 

So telling the truth is considered "virtue signalling" these days. Strange days indeed.
 
Why does it always return to this same schtick with so many of the left? 
I wouldn't know, because I'm not "of the left".
 
Compensating for something? 
Just trying to help the rubes.
 
Can't we just have debate without the ridiculous superiority complex? 
As has been mentioned so many times and on so many threads before, it is virtually impossible to have a debate with a trump supporter, because they seem to be on another planet/universe and are impervious to the truth........and they believe his lies. In fact many of the Republicans STILL believe the election was stolen!!!!!

3 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Sorry to have to tell you that I'm not a "lefty" but somebody who would be marginally left of centre on the political scale.

I think many in the US would see someone marginally right of centre as a dyed in the wool commie.....and there in lies one of the major problems.....the GOP have convinced many voters if you are not a gun toting, racist and  misogynist you must be a <deleted> commie.