Sinovac Covid-19 Vaccines Pass Quality Tests

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The following NYT article updated Feb. 5 doesn't present a good look for either of the two main Chinese vaccine candidates:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/25/business/china-covid-19-vaccine-backlash.html

 

"In the Philippines, some lawmakers have criticized the government’s decision to buy a vaccine made by a Chinese company, Sinovac. Officials in Malaysia and Singapore, which both ordered doses from Sinovac, have had to reassure their citizens that they would approve a vaccine only if it had been proved safe and effective.

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China’s campaign has been plagued with doubts, however. Many people have memories of the country’s vaccine scandals. Several governments remain angry about Beijing’s lack of openness about the virus in the early days of the pandemic.

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A YouGov survey this month of roughly 19,000 people in 17 countries and regions showed that most were distrustful of a Covid-19 vaccine made in China. The misinformation campaign surrounding Western vaccines could further undermine its image."

[Mavideol]

so this one from Thailand "masters"  sure must have had no problem with the certificate not like the one Prayut refused to take due to  "" which is due to the lack of letter of certification""  555

[meltonpie]

1 hour ago, GinBoy2 said:

The thing I find odd about the Sinovac vaccine is the low implementation within China.

 

When you look at total numbers it's second only to the US, but with a much larger population.

 

You then look at doses per 100 people and China is almost at the bottom of the pack.

 

Why if it's so effective aren't the Chinese sticking doses in their own peoples arms as fast as they can?

 

Doesn't make sense to me.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

 

 

China doesn't really need a vaccine, because with a population of one and half billion they only get 10 new cases per day.

Same as Thailand really - if there isn't a spread of infection why bother giving the vaccine?

There is a clear logic to vaccinating all the countries at the top of the league table for new infections and deaths before moving onto offering it to countries with relatively few new cases and deaths.

Thailand can wait until everyone else has had it, without fear. ????

 

[Mavideol]

22 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Here's the chart that Biden's CV advisors in the USA Today article linked to supporting their claim that all 7 vaccines -- including Sinovac --  had proven effective at preventing death and hospitalization....

 

Dr. Ezekiel J. Emanuel, Dr. Celine Gounder, epidemiologist Michael Osterholm, Ph.D., Dr. Luciana Borio, Dr. Atul Gawande and immunologist Rick Bright, Ph.D. are members of the Biden-Harris Transition COVID-19 Advisory Board.

 

The latest version of the chart they linked to does NOT seem to include the Sinovac vaccine, despite their article mentioning it.

 

 

But an earlier version of the same chart from the same source did list the Sinovac vaccine, but didn't make the same claims for it... no mention of no deaths in the yellow highlighted column.

 

 

 

But I guess the question remains, can the Sinovac trials data that's been reported be considered as truthful and reliable.

 

you are asking if data from China is truthful and reliable..... these 2 words don't fit when placed in any sentence related to   China ????????????

[Bkk Brian]

The mug's had the jab ???? with Prayut overseeing it so he can't squirm out

 

Health Minister Anutin becomes the first Thai to be given COVID-19 vaccination https://www.thaipbsworld.com/health-minister-anutin-becomes-the-first-thai-to-be-given-covid-19-vaccination/

[PatOngo]

10 hours ago, Freeduhdum said:

Is it possible to read that contract?

Are you fluent in Mandarin?

[Burma Bill]

11 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Sinovac Covid-19 Vaccines Pass Quality Tests

 

[newnative]

3 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

The thing I find odd about the Sinovac vaccine is the low implementation within China.

 

When you look at total numbers it's second only to the US, but with a much larger population.

 

You then look at doses per 100 people and China is almost at the bottom of the pack.

 

Why if it's so effective aren't the Chinese sticking doses in their own peoples arms as fast as they can?

 

Doesn't make sense to me.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

 

And, way down at the bottom is Thailand with 1 dose given to the health minister.

[dcnx]

16 hours ago, Wiggy said:

Yes, but more to the point, does it work?

50% of the time.

[dcnx]

6 hours ago, meltonpie said:

 

China doesn't really need a vaccine, because with a population of one and half billion they only get 10 new cases per day.

Same as Thailand really - if there isn't a spread of infection why bother giving the vaccine?

There is a clear logic to vaccinating all the countries at the top of the league table for new infections and deaths before moving onto offering it to countries with relatively few new cases and deaths.

Thailand can wait until everyone else has had it, without fear. ????

 

If China is ever going to open again, they need the vaccine. If they are going to travel, they will need vaccinated.

 

China is exporting a low quality vaccine and has about one that they are about to roll out for their own people. It’s a single shot like Johnson and Johnson. 70%+ efficacy according to the news. 

 

 

[Meat Pie 47]

6 hours ago, Mavideol said:

you are asking if data from China is truthful and reliable..... these 2 words don't fit when placed in any sentence related to   China ????????????

or Thailand

[Cocobeach]

For anyone who wants to know more about Sinovac vaccine, please go to you tube and find this news outlet NTD China In Focus or just China in Focus. Look for their archive from the last two week.  I dont trust mainstream media.  I was following the Hong Kong protest and stumble upon this media.  It belongs to a news outlet from US but their sister media outlet is in China and Hong Kong. So they have the inside news. I find them truthful and unbiased. Nothing is more important than our health. You can watch the news and make your own decision. You all deserve to know the truth. Stay safe and healthy everyone. 

[upu2]

Who's tests did they pass? It wouldnt be Chinese tests by any chance would it?

[Lingba]

11 hours ago, madmen said:

He will in a few days if the health Minister is still alive 

He will get the AZ vaccine but it will be placed in a Sinovac bottle and then brag to everyone he is getting the sino vac

[cdemundo]

7 hours ago, meltonpie said:

 

China doesn't really need a vaccine, because with a population of one and half billion they only get 10 new cases per day.

Same as Thailand really - if there isn't a spread of infection why bother giving the vaccine?

There is a clear logic to vaccinating all the countries at the top of the league table for new infections and deaths before moving onto offering it to countries with relatively few new cases and deaths.

Thailand can wait until everyone else has had it, without fear. ????

 

I think you are correct.  The problems seem to be:  Hard to predict "imported" infections for two reasons, inability to control movement of people into a nation, strong need/desire to resume international travel in both directions for economic regions.  Additionally, the potential for exponential growth of current low number of infections with emerging variants.  I recall a certain ex-president of the US saying "we only have x number of infections, nothing to worry about" or words to that effect.  Even still your point is good, triage, the worst hit nations should vaccinate first if an international perspective is possible.

[cdemundo]

1 hour ago, dcnx said:

50% of the time.

The 50% indicates that the vaccine group had 50% fewer symptomatic illnesses than the placebo group.

So a 50% efficacy/efficiency vaccine would cut your chances of illness in half.

It seems the real problem is "can the data on Sinovac be trusted at all?".

[daveAustin]

Let him have it. With a bit of luck he'll grow another head and it will be better... well, it can't be any worse.

[gunderhill]

18 hours ago, Freeduhdum said:

Is it possible to read that contract?

Attached. I've  taken it  out of the envelope for you.

[gunderhill]

13 hours ago, smedly said:

why is the PM not getting this

Only  approved for human use?

[gunderhill]

10 hours ago, Yorkshire Tea said:

Thai beers also pass quality tests & even win medals ????

 

And  you   only  have to  look at any Thai  army generals  medals  for further  proof, or  any civil servant in  Thailand. Most heroic  nation ever I reckon.

[Wiggy]

6 hours ago, dcnx said:

50% of the time.

I'll take that as a no.

[Cocobeach]

6 hours ago, cdemundo said:

I think you are correct.  The problems seem to be:  Hard to predict "imported" infections for two reasons, inability to control movement of people into a nation, strong need/desire to resume international travel in both directions for economic regions.  Additionally, the potential for exponential growth of current low number of infections with emerging variants.  I recall a certain ex-president of the US saying "we only have x number of infections, nothing to worry about" or words to that effect.  Even still your point is good, triage, the worst hit nations should vaccinate first if an international perspective is possible.

That's not entirely true. China is not going to tell you the number of their infection cases. In fact, they were not going to tell anyone about Covid last year until it got out of hand. And they said no human to human transmission in which sadly a certain health org happily sang along with the propaganda. And they let their citizen in Wuhan travel around the world while locking their own city down. They do not want to report any further covid cases so that investors are not scared and that's just how they deal with bad news.  Watch China In Focus in youtube. There is continuation news about covid cases and vaccine. Archive in the month of Jan and Feb has a lot of update on vaccine.   Stay healthy everyone. 

[Cocobeach]

16 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Here's the chart that Biden's CV advisors in the USA Today article linked to supporting their claim that all 7 vaccines -- including Sinovac --  had proven effective at preventing death and hospitalization....

 

Dr. Ezekiel J. Emanuel, Dr. Celine Gounder, epidemiologist Michael Osterholm, Ph.D., Dr. Luciana Borio, Dr. Atul Gawande and immunologist Rick Bright, Ph.D. are members of the Biden-Harris Transition COVID-19 Advisory Board.

 

The latest version of the chart they linked to does NOT seem to include the Sinovac vaccine, despite their article mentioning it.

 

 

But an earlier version of the same chart from the same source did list the Sinovac vaccine, but didn't make the same claims for it... no mention of no deaths in the yellow highlighted column.

 

 

 

But I guess the question remains, can the Sinovac trials data that's been reported be considered as truthful and reliable.

 

Biden is in bed with China. Says it all. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 3/1/2021 at 9:54 AM, Cocobeach said:

Biden is in bed with China. Says it all. 

 

Considering that the Sinovac vaccine hasn't been approved for use in the U.S. and probably won't be, forgive me if I take your comment above with a very large grain of salt.

 

The cited chart was prepared to convey a specific and correct/accurate message to its American audience -- all the CV vaccines approved for use in the U.S. have been proven thru extensive and publicly reported trials and data to be highly effective in preventing serious illness and deaths from CV...

 

So Americans there should take whatever of the U.S. approved vaccines they have access to -- which has absolutely nothing to do with China or Chinese-made CV vaccines.

 

 

[internationalism]

some recent data from turkey:

"In Brazil the efficacy against Covid-19 with or without symptoms was 50 percent. In Turkey, the efficacy against Covid-19 with at least one symptom was 83.5 percent. ... It is still unclear just how much protection CoronaVac provides against Covid-19 in general. But the trials do suggest that CoronaVac--like several other coronavirus vaccines--does a much better job at protecting people against severe disease. On March 3, the scientists running the Turkish trial reported that no vaccinated participants ended up in the hospital for Covid-19, while six in the placebo group did."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html

 

In comparison Astrazeneca has 82% efficacy, so if results from Turkey are correct, sinovac might be a slighly better option. However, it's much more expensive - 230b for AZ and 650b for sino (price payed by thai government).

Sinovac purchase was an emergency order, so overpriced. If thai order it in larger quantity and not emergency, price will be different, possibly matching AZ price, as sino will have to be competitive to enter the new, large market.

 

As of now AZ is under supplied. For that european union will likely extend ban for another 3 months it's export. So thailand won't be able to get more emergency order from Italy (that was an original plan).