On 3/8/2021 at 9:44 AM, GroveHillWanderer said:

Do you have any source for that claim?

 

According to everything I can find, when people have suffered side effects from the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, they have been overwhelmingly of the mild variety. There have been a few cases (roughly 1 in 1000,000) of severe allergic reactions - which were promptly and successfully treated by the attending medical staff.

 

For example, according to CDC statistics:

 

 

Out of those 21:

 

CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report

I have had this vaccine and became ill for a few days after, my couson had this vaccine and became ill after having it. Many people have become ill after having this vaccine. To say it doesn't have side effects is incorrect, I am not saying anyone shouldn't have it but to say that it doesn't have any side effects is as said not true

On 3/8/2021 at 9:44 AM, GroveHillWanderer said:

Do you have any source for that claim?

 

According to everything I can find, when people have suffered side effects from the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, they have been overwhelmingly of the mild variety. There have been a few cases (roughly 1 in 1000,000) of severe allergic reactions - which were promptly and successfully treated by the attending medical staff.

 

For example, according to CDC statistics:

 

 

Out of those 21:

 

CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report

Sorry I forgot to add a link to the UK gov site showing the possible side effects.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-uk-recipients-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

On 3/6/2021 at 4:50 PM, Puccini said:

To what countries can you currently travel with a «government certified "Vaccine Passport"»

It's about coming back to Bkk. There are many countries I can travel to for my work now. I just can't return to Bkk without the quarantine process every time. A Thai vaccine passport should make residents returning easier. 

9 minutes ago, johnch99 said:

Many people have become ill after having this vaccine. To say it doesn't have side effects is incorrect, I am not saying anyone shouldn't have it but to say that it doesn't have any side effects is as said not true

Nobody, absolutely nobody (in any position of authority or with any medical knowledge) is saying that the vaccines don't have side effects.

In fact you've just quoted the official UK government information that tells you exactly what the side effects are.

However the side effects are usually mild to moderate and mostly last less than 48 hours.

Your post says that "many people have become ill" so maybe it's a question of terminology but suffering from the temporary side effects that are listed in all official guidance on the vaccines, such as muscle pain, fever, nausea and headaches etc, even for a few days does not constitute "becoming ill" as far as I'm concerned.

Now, some people do suffer from fairly serious allergic reactions (as I also mentioned in my earlier post) but they are thankfully few and far between, and the attending medical staff are eminently capable of successfully treating these relatively rare occurrences.

My friend, older and with underlying conditions, was told he can get a jab next month.  Doc wasn't sure which one, but guessed AZ or the Chinese one.  No idea of the price, but the doc guessed 2k Baht.

On 3/5/2021 at 9:38 PM, tominbkk said:

Lots and lots of cheap charlies in the forum.  I'm with you, get me a queue number!

So you are saying people who do NOT want to get ripped off are ""Cheap Charlies"' ??? LOL

16 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

So you are saying people who do NOT want to get ripped off are ""Cheap Charlies"' ??? LOL

How is paying 2k for a jab that may save your live, in a foreign country, a rip off?  Come on.  If you don't want to pay, go home.  Something I might do because I want the J&J jab.

On 3/8/2021 at 8:19 PM, Peter Denis said:

It is correct that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are only approved for Emergency Use.

When stating that private companies will be permitted to export shots once Covid-19 vaccines are fully registered, dr Yong could have mentioned that

the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine has been given an “estimated study completion date” of Jan. 31, 2023 (here). For the COVID-19 vaccine created by Moderna, studies are expected to end on Oct. 27, 2022 (here)

So, it will be a loooooong wait before they are fully approved.

In meantime, when taking those vaccines you are actually a voluntary Guinea pig, as it will be the data collected during the emergency-use period which will determine whether the vaccine will be approved....

All deaths within 28 days of getting a vaccine should be automatically counted as a covid vaccine death without any investigations to be consistent with the method of counting covid deaths.

8 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

All deaths within 28 days of getting a vaccine should be automatically counted as a covid vaccine death without any investigations to be consistent with the method of counting covid deaths.

How do they count covid deaths?

4 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

How do they count covid deaths?

In the US and UK they count people who died within 28 days of a positive test.

8 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

In the US and UK they count people who died within 28 days of a positive test.

Not true.  Don't spread misinformation.

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated

14 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

How do they count covid deaths?

 

16 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Not true.  Don't spread misinformation.

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated

Not spreading misinformation.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-uk-wide-methodology-agreed-to-record-covid-19-deaths

5 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Not spreading misinformation.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-uk-wide-methodology-agreed-to-record-covid-19-deaths

You were for the US, which is what I showed.  Didn't check on the UK. 

34 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

UK they count people who died within 28 days of a positive test.

Yea I've been aware of the UK covid death confirmation methodologies and it always seemed to me to be the reason the UK had such a high death rate compared to other countries.

On 3/5/2021 at 3:41 PM, ThailandRyan said:

  Yes money to be made but then nothing is free.

The vaccine is free if you wait

4 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

You were for the US, which is what I showed.  Didn't check on the UK. 

Following is a quote from the Oregon Health Authority

"We consider COVID-19 deaths to be: 

Deaths in which a patient hospitalized for any reason within 14 days of a positive COVID-19 test result dies in the hospital or within the 60 days following discharge."

From the the article in the link.It's the only one I've found so far that barely makes my claim not misinformation.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/questions-over-the-accuracy-of-how-the-state-tracks-covid-deaths/283-0b1b7b6c-695e-4313-92cf-a4cfd7510721

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The vaccine is free if you wait

No it's not free it's paid for from tax money from the people getting the vaccine!They also have to pay the people giving the vaccine.

9 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Following is a quote from the Oregon Health Authority

"We consider COVID-19 deaths to be: 

Deaths in which a patient hospitalized for any reason within 14 days of a positive COVID-19 test result dies in the hospital or within the 60 days following discharge."

From the the article in the link.It's the only one I've found so far that barely makes my claim not misinformation.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/questions-over-the-accuracy-of-how-the-state-tracks-covid-deaths/283-0b1b7b6c-695e-4313-92cf-a4cfd7510721

Every state can do it differently.  But the one I posted was from the CDC.  Not a local news station from 6 months ago.

On 3/6/2021 at 11:45 AM, BritManToo said:

I'd put the EU to the back of the queue, make up some paperwork problem like they did for our fish.

Come on guy.....  Boris said it was a fantastic deal he gave you as Christmas gift ...... don't Tell me you do not believe Boris when his lips are moving .....? ????....????

BTW   .... standing at the end of the cue & waiving with some extra Baht ... they will start the vaccination at my end cue place ....????

47 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The vaccine is free if you wait

Not taking the vaccine is even more free, and when doing so you don't have to wait... ????

I really don't understand this enthusiasm to get the jab (remember that the Pfizer and Moderna ones are only approved for emergency use) and become a voluntary vaccinated Guinea pig in virtual covid-free Thailand.

52 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Every state can do it differently.  But the one I posted was from the CDC.  Not a local news station from 6 months ago.

Doesn't matter if they do it all over if they do it in the US then that fits with what I said.I didn't say anything about how much or where only that they do it in the US.So not spreading misinfo.

17 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Not taking the vaccine is even more free, and when doing so you don't have to wait.

I think you might be paying wether you get it or not if you've paid your taxes.

50 minutes ago, david555 said:

Come on guy.....  Boris said it was a fantastic deal he gave you as Christmas gift ...... don't Tell me you do not believe Boris when his lips are moving .....? ????....????

BTW   .... standing at the end of the cue & waiving with some extra Baht ... they will start the vaccination at my end cue place ....????

I agree the queue starts where the money is just look at which countries are getting it first.

3 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

Not taking the vaccine is even more free, and when doing so you don't have to wait... ????

I really don't understand this enthusiasm to get the jab (remember that the Pfizer and Moderna ones are only approved for emergency use) and become a voluntary vaccinated Guinea pig in virtual covid-free Thailand.

Thailand isn't Covid-19 free.

Also Thailand needs to open up to the world.

Vaccinating the Thai population is a must.

On 3/12/2021 at 1:58 PM, Peter Denis said:

become a voluntary vaccinated Guinea pig in virtual covid-free Thailand.

 

From what I see, Thailand seems to be running typically 50-100 reported CV cases per day lately.... and that's with very little proactive testing on a nationwide basis, AFAIK.

The numbers without doubt would be vastly higher had not the country basically cut off foreign tourist arrivals, except for those passing a pretty effective and enforced 14-day quarantine for airport arrivals.

But as everyone here knows, that has considerable negative economic impacts on all the locals who rely on the tourism industry.  And the only way the country's going to get out of that bind is to achieve substantial vaccination of its populace... while similar efforts proceed in tourist feeder countries around the world.

The only effective answer ends up being widespread vaccination, and that will go a long way toward reopening the tourist industry while keeping Thailand "virtually COVID free."

 

On 3/12/2021 at 6:02 AM, Bkk Brian said:

Yea I've been aware of the UK covid death confirmation methodologies and it always seemed to me to be the reason the UK had such a high death rate compared to other countries.

I quite agree. Here in UK they have almost NEVER made the distinction between dying with Covid and dying of Covid. I know 2 people in their eighties/nineties who have died whilst Covid-positive. One was dying anyway the other was in a Nursing home with advanced Alzheimer's and her family see the upset caused by the restrictions as being the cause of death .

Now, does that mean Covid was her cause of death or contributory to it, or incidental?

Another person I know (in his sixties) was sent home to die suffering from such advanced cancer that  he only lasted 2 weeks, however, because he was also Covid-positive, I can guess what went on his death certificate.

On 3/6/2021 at 4:06 PM, VBF said:

Really?  At current exchange rates 4000 THB is less than £95.

I would suggest that a retiree who cannot afford £95 has made a gross error in his/her retirement calculations.

See also my comment (6 posts above) where I say "Of course, no Westerner living in or visiting Thailand should have an expectation of free health care anyway - should they?"

You are wrong, I worked here for Thai companies (Thai Sallery) for 35 years, I dint just drop in from a high paying environment, perhaps you did? how long have you been here?

5 hours ago, JohnHans said:

You are wrong, I worked here for Thai companies (Thai Sallery) for 35 years, I dint just drop in from a high paying environment, perhaps you did? how long have you been here?

I don't live in Thailand - I'm a regular and frequent visitor from UK, which is indeed, compared to Thailand, "a high paying environment," of course. I do have several Western friends living in various parts of Thailand. 

My contention is that in general, Westerners  living in Thailand (particularly retirees) should have put by sufficient funds such that 4000 THB is affordable. I didn't consider your situation - to be clear, are you saying you are in the same position as Thai people financially? If so, and presuming you paid Thai taxes would you not qualify for a free vac if it was offered to Thais?  I'm not criticising by any means, just interested. 

On 3/6/2021 at 10:58 AM, tandor said:

When the cost of sending it and service charges are added they expected to offer the vaccine to patients at 2,000 baht per dose.

 

Having the recommended two doses would therefore cost 4,000 baht 

 

Wow, I just learned that 2000 x 2 = 4000.