It's not going to be greener is it?

[georgegeorgia]

Getting towards retirement age have been contemplating retiring to Thailand for the past 25 years .

 

Now I'm re considering.

A number of things have happened since to make me think again.

 

But before I get onto that I saw another post which again put it in my thoughts 

The poster wrote similar to "saw bored lonely old farsang men sitting outside chunky monkey Bar "

 

Which made me think ...are these farangs any happier now they made their move to Thailand / Pattaya?

 

I'm working full time at the moment in Australia..I live in my own apartment alone in City close to everything ...have no family. Have 2 good friends only have a secure job which I worked for last 30 years ...

 

So I start dreaming over the last few years if I moved to Pattaya how wonderful it will be .....but in reality ...

 

I will rent a 1 bedroom condo

I don't drink or smoke 

I guess every morning go to gym...

The rest of the day I guess chase bar girls 

After 6 months I guess bored 

So the dream is not going to be there in reality is it .

Unless of course I wait till I get older say 70 and settle down but I don't want to end up like those bored old faeang outside the chunky monkey

 

So unless there's a reason to retire to Thailand ...(the Dream for the last 25 years) maybe if I had a GF there ...but now it's becoming reality I'm scared to retire and go   

Is it going to be any better than my current lifestyle?

I have no family but 2 very good friends i can rely on 24 hours 

 

Do farangs retire to Thailand because of boredom... Loneliness.... Girlfriend...

Then find out 6 months later ...hey I'm missing my lifestyle back in farangland .

I want to retire eventually but I enjoy going to work and meeting with my colleagues...

What happens if I take my ultimate dream and off to Thailand ?

Is it going to be better 

 

Who had gone to retire there and GONE BACK to your own country after getting bored 

Edited March 5, 2021 by georgegeorgia

[Leaver]

Have you been anywhere else to compare Thailand to for retirement?  

[simon43]

I think everyone needs to have a hobby that they can also 'fall back on' to past the time of day in an enjoyable way.  I'm a radio amateur and can devote as little or as many hours as I want each day to this hobby.  If I were still living in the UK, then I could do the same hobby.  It's just more relaxing doing it by the banks of the Mekong river in Laos ????

 

OP - your big mistake (IMHO), is your plan to chase bar girls all day.  Remove that from your plan and you'll probably live a happier and healthier life!

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Getting towards retirement age have been contemplating retiring to Thailand for the past 25 years .

 

Now I'm re considering.

A number of things have happened since to make me think again.

 

But before I get onto that I saw another post which again put it in my thoughts 

The poster wrote similar to "saw bored lonely old farsang men sitting outside chunky monkey Bar "

 

Which made me think ...are these farangs any happier now they made their move to Thailand / Pattaya?

 

I'm working full time at the moment in Australia..I live in my own apartment alone in City close to everything ...have no family. Have 2 good friends only have a secure job which I worked for last 30 years ...

 

So I start dreaming over the last few years if I moved to Pattaya how wonderful it will be .....but in reality ...

 

I will rent a 1 bedroom condo

I don't drink or smoke 

I guess every morning go to gym...

The rest of the day I guess chase bar girls 

After 6 months I guess bored 

So the dream is not going to be there in reality is it .

Unless of course I wait till I get older say 70 and settle down but I don't want to end up like those bored old faeang outside the chunky monkey

 

So unless there's a reason to retire to Thailand ...(the Dream for the last 25 years) maybe if I had a GF there ...but now it's becoming reality I'm scared to retire and go   

Is it going to be any better than my current lifestyle?

I have no family but 2 very good friends i can rely on 24 hours 

 

Do farangs retire to Thailand because of boredom... Loneliness.... Girlfriend...

Then find out 6 months later ...hey I'm missing my lifestyle back in farangland .

I want to retire eventually but I enjoy going to work and meeting with my colleagues...

What happens if I take my ultimate dream and off to Thailand ?

Is it going to be better 

 

Who had gone to retire there and GONE BACK to your own country after getting bored 

There is, IMO, NEVER any reason to be bored, unless in jail. A "free" person has the ability to do anything they want within the law, finance and reason.

IMO if someone is bored in Thailand they will be bored anywhere.

Also IMO, bored people are the ones that need someone else to tell them what to do. Become self motivated and one will never be bored.

 

The rest of the day I guess chase bar girls 

After 6 months I guess bored 

Obviously different to me- I'd never get bored chasing BGs.

However, if that becomes boring there's plenty of other things to do- become a volunteer at an orphanage, or a dog shelter, join a club and do something new, travel different places by train or bus ( not in a car ) every week or month. The potential list is long and varied.

 

Then find out 6 months later ...hey I'm missing my lifestyle back in farangland .

I can honestly say I never wished I was back in farangland while I was in LOS, and now I wish I was back in LOS all the time. I had a better time in LOS every day than here in a month.

 

 

[Antonymous]

There seem to be plenty of people who come to live in Thailand whose main or even only motivation was to chase the girls and to drink/party. That's fine if those remain your top priorities in life as you get much older, but the reality for most people is that the excitement (or libido, or money) wanes eventually. Therefore in making your decision to retire in Thailand or not, you must consider other things that motivate you or could become priorities in future. Ask yourself can you fulfill those better in Thailand, your home country or elsewhere.

 

Life is whatever YOU make it, wherever you lay your hat.

[adammike]

6 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Getting towards retirement age have been contemplating retiring to Thailand for the past 25 years .

 

Now I'm re considering.

A number of things have happened since to make me think again.

 

But before I get onto that I saw another post which again put it in my thoughts 

The poster wrote similar to "saw bored lonely old farsang men sitting outside chunky monkey Bar "

 

Which made me think ...are these farangs any happier now they made their move to Thailand / Pattaya?

 

I'm working full time at the moment in Australia..I live in my own apartment alone in City close to everything ...have no family. Have 2 good friends only have a secure job which I worked for last 30 years ...

 

So I start dreaming over the last few years if I moved to Pattaya how wonderful it will be .....but in reality ...

 

I will rent a 1 bedroom condo

I don't drink or smoke 

I guess every morning go to gym...

The rest of the day I guess chase bar girls 

After 6 months I guess bored 

So the dream is not going to be there in reality is it .

Unless of course I wait till I get older say 70 and settle down but I don't want to end up like those bored old faeang outside the chunky monkey

 

So unless there's a reason to retire to Thailand ...(the Dream for the last 25 years) maybe if I had a GF there ...but now it's becoming reality I'm scared to retire and go   

Is it going to be any better than my current lifestyle?

I have no family but 2 very good friends i can rely on 24 hours 

 

Do farangs retire to Thailand because of boredom... Loneliness.... Girlfriend...

Then find out 6 months later ...hey I'm missing my lifestyle back in farangland .

I want to retire eventually but I enjoy going to work and meeting with my colleagues...

What happens if I take my ultimate dream and off to Thailand ?

Is it going to be better 

 

Who had gone to retire there and GONE BACK to your own country after getting bored 

If you live in the north of Europe,and I guess the northern states of the USA and Canada,the warm weather is a reason to contemplate Thailand.Its not only beer and babes. 

[daveAustin]

Only one way to find out, bruv. But sounds like you'd be better of in semi-retirement-6-months-here-6-months-there mode. Rather than get yourself in knots, realise nothing's permanent and you can always return if it doesn't work out. The absolute worst you can do, imo, is sit around, ponder an inevitable and waste time. With no ties (no pun), I know what I'd do. Can't live for your friends.

[rumak]

Mr georgie georgie is always asking these probing questions of TV members.   here's a few for him to answer so we can all know you better :

 

What field of work are you in ?   You say you enjoy it ,  and seems that is mostly where your social life exists.   What do you do once you get back to your apartment?

Note:  personally,  that life would be boring as hell to me ... and maybe more than a few other escapees from the 9 to 5  work life,  then retire.   But,  works for some. 

 

Why do you not have a relationship where you live?   C'mon,  tell us your story.  No lovers?   You seem like the "cerebral"  type,   so how in the world you going to get along with Thai ladies ?   They are definitely not going to be interested in your meaning of life questions    55

 

and a reader or two seem to be pointing out the obvious to you :   you can change locations,  but

you can not change who you are.   Who are you ?

Edited March 5, 2021 by rumak

[BritManToo]

8 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

The poster wrote similar to "saw bored lonely old farsang men sitting outside chunky monkey Bar "

Which made me think ...are these farangs any happier now they made their move to Thailand / Pattaya?

Probably happier than sitting in a freezing cold bedsit in Bolton surrounded by Somali/Syrian refugees.

Even being allowed to sit outside (weather/COVID restrictions back home) is a bonus.

 

I've never had the chance to try living alone, some woman has always moved in, usually within a week of the last one moving out. I suspect you're at least as hansum as me.

Edited March 6, 2021 by BritManToo

[bojo]

8 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

So unless there's a reason to retire to Thailand ...(the Dream for the last 25 years) maybe if I had a GF there ...but now it's becoming reality I'm scared to retire and go   

Is it going to be any better than my current lifestyle?

I have no family but 2 very good friends i can rely on 24 hours 

'He, who dares wins' and your friends will soon be following you...............

[Haveasay]

Everyone has a different view and story. I took the opportunity nearly 15 years ago to enjoy what was on offer as a break from my work and have a perspective of comparing the opportunities available over that time, that sadly have disappeared or minimized by authorities. Being from austalia I've observed the difficulties of an everyday life there in comparison to a place like Pattaya. I've visited many provinces with short term friends, I would not have alone. There's a cost to friends in Thailand, so you need to use caution as all would say. But most of all exercise along beach and 31c degrees most days is hard to beat. What you make of your days and nights is personal choice. But find a peaceful residence to enjoy it. Access to cable and whatever, there's broad coverage to avoid boredom and stay attuned of world goings on. I've returned to get age pension and can't wait to return.

[worgeordie]

Bored...I can never understand when people say that,maybe lack of imagination,

I have lived here 33 years,now in later years, I wish I had time to get bored,there's

always some bloody thing to do....Bored ????

regards worgeordie

[4MyEgo]

9 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Getting towards retirement age have been contemplating retiring to Thailand for the past 25 years .

 

Wow, I made a plan and retired here to Thailand in 8 years, no regrets.

 

9 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

The poster wrote similar to "saw bored lonely old farsang men sitting outside chunky monkey Bar "

 

I am never lonely, I can be a loner, however prefer to join expats at a particular bar twice a week to listen to their life stories, sink a few cold ones and shoot some pool, doing it twice a week makes me look forward to the social interaction, however most of them are there everyday, I am not a big drinker and twice a week suites me, never bored going there as everything needs to be balanced.

 

9 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Which made me think ...are these farangs any happier now they made their move to Thailand / Pattaya?

 

From my conversations with expats, they are far happier here for a number of reasons, cost of living is the main factor for them, and the sense of freedom vs all of the controls back in their home countries.

 

9 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

I'm working full time at the moment in Australia..I live in my own apartment alone in City close to everything ...have no family. Have 2 good friends only have a secure job which I worked for last 30 years .

 

I have my mum in a nursing home, too many ailments for her to come here, therefore needing care and an adult daughter from a previous marriage, and a hand full of long time friends back in Oz, I stay in touch via Facebook messenger and LINE. I would also return every 12-18 months to see my mum, daughter and friends for 10-14 days, so you can always go back for a break if required.

 

9 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

I will rent a 1 bedroom condo

I don't drink or smoke 

I guess every morning go to gym...

The rest of the day I guess chase bar girls 

After 6 months I guess bored 

So the dream is not going to be there in reality is it .

Unless of course I wait till I get older say 70 and settle down but I don't want to end up like those bored old faeang outside the chunky monkey

 

If the above is your dream, then it is up to you not to get bored, rent a condo, don't drink, don't smoke, stay in shape at the gym, go for walks along the beach, NEVER chase bargirls, enjoy their company long or short time, and do be careful because a hell of a lot of expats have been fleeced chasing bargirls, and a lot of us have ended up being very happily married to bargirls, i.e. not every bargirl is bad if your looking for a long term relationship, it's all about control, e.g. finances and emotions, if you can keep them under control, then your half way there, if you can't then stay single. 

 

If I were you, I would do 6 months here at first, then 6 months back in Oz, you don't need to go all in and after a couple of years you will know if you want to live here or not, there are a couple of things that are very important that you need to consider and they are private health insurance, although not compulsory, you really need to be covered here because an accident could deplete your savings and it's not that expensive depending on your age, I am 60 and it's 200 baht or $10 a day for over a million $ coverage (emergency) inpatient only, during the initial period of 6 months here and 6 months there, you can take out good travel insurance, worth researching because I have seen and heard of guys being hospitalised and it can be ugly, also depending on where you want to be treated, private or public hospital, the latter are not for me, the other very important thing is your real estate asset, the government made some changes in July 2019 stating that if you rent your property while you are away, i.e. retiring overseas as a non resident (more than 183) days and sell your asset down the track, your principal place of residence that once was will incur capital gains tax from the date your purchased it, YES from the date you purchased it, NOT the date you rented it, like I said, they changed the rules back in July 2019 so if your thinking of renting your apartment and living here, talk to a qualified accountant before you make the move, because you might be better off selling it, as I did mine, no regrets. 

 

9 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Is it going to be any better than my current lifestyle?

I have no family but 2 very good friends i can rely on 24 hours 

 

That is up to you, where you live and how much your budget is.

You can make friends here as well, as for relying on people, well I have heard long time friends letting their mates down everywhere, so best to depend on ones self or partner, if you do end up with a partner.

 

9 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Do farangs retire to Thailand because of boredom... Loneliness.... Girlfriend...

Then find out 6 months later ...hey I'm missing my lifestyle back in farangland .

I want to retire eventually but I enjoy going to work and meeting with my colleagues...

What happens if I take my ultimate dream and off to Thailand ?

Is it going to be better 

 

Who had gone to retire there and GONE BACK to your own country after getting bored 

 

Everyone will have a different story, what it boils down to is the individuals personality, wants and needs in life, no doubt you will miss farang land in the beginning as that is the life you were used to, i.e. until you adapt to living here, but you don't need to as I mentioned, do it 6 months on, 6 months off in the beginning for as long as you want, you could end up with the best of both countries so to speak. A lot of people say they enjoy working, the question has to be asked, have they ever known anything else ?

Is it because it's their social safety net and income (survival) net ?

I know people who have a lot of money, and when I say a lot of money, I am not talking about your average Joe and his house, investment unit and a couple of nice vintage cars, these people have tens of millions of dollars, down to earth kind of guys, but their ideas of a holiday is a long weekend away, they know no better, been caught up in whatever net they are in, yet they all say to me that they envy me for retiring early and living the life that I want, suffice to say, it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I do know one thing, having seen a lot of mates passing early in life, I didn't want to be someone who thinks that I need to work so as not to be bored, I can't take my money with me, but I sure can enjoy it in my retirement years and retiring early for me has proven to me that it was the best decision I made, no stress, no debt, different country, a lot different to Oz, but a lot the same if you know what I mean.

 

To end on this long spill, it sounds like you need to test the waters before you make a decision, personally I think you can have the best of both worlds, depending on your financial status, 6 months here and 6 months in Oz, good travel insurance during the time here, apartment stays empty, no wife, GF, kids, the world is your oyster, perhaps look at other places in Thailand if you haven't, maybe Hua Hin which is my favourite, 2nd to Phuket, Pattaya didn't really do it for me, too big, but hey, each to their own, oddly enough I live in Isaan just on the outskirts of a village, central to a town and a City an hour up the road, this lifestyle (tranquillity) suites me.

 

Good luck, and enjoy the bargirls, I still do, man got to eat when a man got to eat.

Edited March 6, 2021 by 4MyEgo

[Gecko123]

Besides contemplating and dreaming, what concrete steps have you taken to prepare for eventual retirement here ? In my book, a real acid test would be how much effort you've put into learning the language over the past quarter century. If the answer's 'not much,' you're probably just daydreaming. If you've put a ton of effort into it, I suspect you'd be more committed to giving it at least a trial run, and wouldn't be looking for people to talk you out of it.

 

Edited March 6, 2021 by Gecko123

[Kwasaki]

10 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Now I'm re considering.

A number of things have happened since to make me think again.

Asking others about retirement to anywhere can only be your decision.

As stated already there are so many individuals with different personalities.

 

As said here " Up to you ".

[CharlieH]

Most people work to be able to live, they dont live to go to work, which seems to be the OP focus and he appears nervous or concerned as to what he will do when that stops.

 

If you are able, split your time between the two places, it will soon become clear where you are happiest, dont decide anything permanent for 2 years, then make an informed and experienced choice. It wont be based on any "dreams" but reality of living on both places.

 

 

[NCC1701A]

let's see. watching my maid clean the house topless for 500 baht or move back to what is left of the USA and help my friends in the civil war?

 

i will get back to you on that. 

 

 

Edited March 6, 2021 by NCC1701A

[VocalNeal]

5 hours ago, simon43 said:

I think everyone needs to have a hobby that they can also 'fall back on' to past the time of day in an enjoyable way.  I'm a radio amateur and can devote as little or as many hours as I want each day to this hobby.  If I were still living in the UK, then I could do the same hobby.  It's just more relaxing doing it by the banks of the Mekong river in Laos ????

 

OP - your big mistake (IMHO), is your plan to chase bar girls all day.  Remove that from your plan and you'll probably live a happier and healthier life!

 

Conventional wisdom which won't work at present is to vacation every year in your chosen retirement place. That way you get the lie of the land and build up a group of contacts so that when you actually move it is not all new.

[BritManToo]

6 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

Conventional wisdom which won't work at present is to vacation every year in your chosen retirement place.

I suspect that option will never be available again.

[rumak]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I've never had the chance to try living alone, some woman has always moved in, usually within a week of the last one moving out. I suspect you're at least as hansum as me.

 

It's your  CHARM  bm  !    not many guys here know how appealing it is to most women to just

have a guy tell them what he wants ........... take it or leave it   ????

[BritManToo]

Just now, rumak said:

It's your  CHARM  bm  !    not many guys here know how appealing it is to most women to just

have a guy tell them what he wants ........... take it or leave it   ????

The biggest problem I have between women is finding a big enough poopy stick to beat off the fat chicks until a skinny one arrives.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

I would just get a tourist visa for 2 or 3 months. Hire an apartment and see how it goes. Go to a gym, date , get into new habits. An older guy with a superannuation fund who doesn't drink much and is easy going will be popular among thai women. Not just ones who want to rip you off but women who want stability, to be looked after, and are sick of a certain sort of Thai man.

I am in a similar position to you and spent two months in Thailand once in an apartment.  It's not that long but it gave me a taste of retirement. Had a motorbike. Went to gym and had the beach not too far. Good food each night. Had a girlfriend who was fun. Still can watch tv and play internet the same or similar to as before. It's a good life.  Hope to do it for six months a year in five years or so. 

[arick]

13 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Getting towards retirement age have been contemplating retiring to Thailand for the past 25 years .

 

Now I'm re considering.

A number of things have happened since to make me think again.

 

But before I get onto that I saw another post which again put it in my thoughts 

The poster wrote similar to "saw bored lonely old farsang men sitting outside chunky monkey Bar "

 

Which made me think ...are these farangs any happier now they made their move to Thailand / Pattaya?

 

I'm working full time at the moment in Australia..I live in my own apartment alone in City close to everything ...have no family. Have 2 good friends only have a secure job which I worked for last 30 years ...

 

So I start dreaming over the last few years if I moved to Pattaya how wonderful it will be .....but in reality ...

 

I will rent a 1 bedroom condo

I don't drink or smoke 

I guess every morning go to gym...

The rest of the day I guess chase bar girls 

After 6 months I guess bored 

So the dream is not going to be there in reality is it .

Unless of course I wait till I get older say 70 and settle down but I don't want to end up like those bored old faeang outside the chunky monkey

 

So unless there's a reason to retire to Thailand ...(the Dream for the last 25 years) maybe if I had a GF there ...but now it's becoming reality I'm scared to retire and go   

Is it going to be any better than my current lifestyle?

I have no family but 2 very good friends i can rely on 24 hours 

 

Do farangs retire to Thailand because of boredom... Loneliness.... Girlfriend...

Then find out 6 months later ...hey I'm missing my lifestyle back in farangland .

I want to retire eventually but I enjoy going to work and meeting with my colleagues...

What happens if I take my ultimate dream and off to Thailand ?

Is it going to be better 

 

Who had gone to retire there and GONE BACK to your own country after getting bored 

I think I would of loved leaving London SE1 and flying right over Thailand  and retiring in Australia and just visiting  Thailand. The climate to hot hard to meet good people. 

[arick]

2 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

 

Conventional wisdom which won't work at present is to vacation every year in your chosen retirement place. That way you get the lie of the land and build up a group of contacts so that when you actually move it is not all new.

He is leaving Australia.! Not bloody the UK can't compare the two 

[LawrenceN]

Why Pattaya? Is that Thailand to you? Further down the coast, you have Rayong, Chanthaburi, Trat. You can live without the hectic city environment and still be very comfortable. Above assumes you like beaches.

 

I live in Chiang Mai. We chose to live here for the friendly people, and many other factors. I'm a cyclist. I ride quiet rural roads several times a week. I play golf two or three times a week, having about ten very nice courses to choose from within an hour's drive. 

 

I'm not trying to sell you on CM, but asking you to broaden your horizons. Someone above suggested six months here/there. Try that for a while in different parts of the country. There's more to life than a bar stool in Pattaya. 

[SomchaiCNX]

After 30 years in Thailand I would like to retire in Australia ???? but it is to expensive for me. Did not visit Queensland yet but have been told it has a similar climate like Thailand so the climate is not a reason. The nature in Australia is spectacular, so they don't move for that.  So my guess is that many Australians retire here because they get more value and because they can not handle their own over emancipated (oversized) woman and think THai girls are perfect ???? ?  

[SomchaiCNX]

32 minutes ago, LawrenceN said:

Why Pattaya? Is that Thailand to you? Further down the coast, you have Rayong, Chanthaburi, Trat. You can live without the hectic city environment and still be very comfortable. Above assumes you like beaches.

 

I live in Chiang Mai. We chose to live here for the friendly people, and many other factors. I'm a cyclist. I ride quiet rural roads several times a week. I play golf two or three times a week, having about ten very nice courses to choose from within an hour's drive. 

 

I'm not trying to sell you on CM, but asking you to broaden your horizons. Someone above suggested six months here/there. Try that for a while in different parts of the country. There's more to life than a bar stool in Pattaya. 

I agree with you but CNX is not the only place to live if you like outdoor activities, I would not like to live in PTY but in that area he can find similar activities (golf, cycling, diving, skydiving etc) but without all the pollution.

[Stefanix]

Good that you ask those question! For me it is important to feel well in the culture of the host country. Accepting the culture means also to learn the language accept the shortcomings. Of course there are things in Thailand to be criticized. But I am tired of reading in this forum so often how stupid Thais and the system are. But the naive approach to problems and to close the eyes in front of ugly facts are part of "the deal" and leading finally to the happy Thai personality we all love. The biggest problem I see is that if you really want to be "part of it" and you notice that you are just a second class citizen, a permanent guest. There is no effort and wish to integrate foreigners. To avoid living in a foreigner bubble is difficult but not impossible. But my impression is that many foreigners cling to those bubbles and accept this space.

[Maejoe]

So much depends on exactly what you want from your retirement "dream life".
If your worried about loneliness then it's all about if you're a social type of person. You could have quite a busy life playing golf, attending parties and barbecues various functions and friends houses, IF you have an outgoing personality and make friends easily.
If the prime reason for considering Thailand for retirement is just a "girlie bar scene", then I'm sure you'll soon get bored and tired of that. Many Babes come with some serious attitude problems these days and aren't always cheap.
My advice, come for 6 months and spend the time travelling around country and exploring some of the cities. For example Chang Mai in my opinion is a much more friendly expat community than say Pattaya or Phuket, although the "babes" are perhaps not of the same quality.
Perhaps I should also add that I am aware of quite a few expats have thrown the towel in over the last couple of years and moved on to Cambodia or Vietnam, perhaps not because they're bored with Thailand, but it's just become too expensive for them to live the lifestyle that they desire.

[Lacessit]

IMO it's impossible to be bored in Thailand, just getting on my scooter or into my car here is a daily survival adventure. Getting my Thai GF to understand reason and logic is another. My massage lady likes to push the boundaries of propriety, although I must admit I do envy NCC having a topless housekeeper.

I'm now wondering if I can persuade my GF to do the sweeping without knickers.

Edited March 6, 2021 by Lacessit