Facing 'crisis of century', EU threatens ban on COVID vaccine exports to UK

[david555]

Just now, vinny41 said:

You need the read the Contract that AZ has with the EU, there is an clause there that states the EU will not take legal action against AZ 

depending what is in the contract   , might there are other parts in the contract who fit's for that .... up to lawyers  to find .... example if others  received what was or could be E.U. part .......????

[vinny41]

4 minutes ago, david555 said:

depending what is in the contract   , might there are other parts in the contract who fit's for that .... up to lawyers  to find .... example if others  received what was or could be E.U. part .......????

The contract clearly states regarding supply Best efforts, you must know there is a reason why the EU hasn't rush to the law courts screaming foul play unfair

[Pilotman]

3 hours ago, Mavideol said:

you are correct, unfortunately brexiters don't want to know that, it's not convenient for their bashing of the EU

 

Eu has a signed contract with vaccine supplier, the UK has also a contract with vaccine supplier, so it's ok for the UK to request their contract to be respected but NOT ok for the EU contract to be respected or it's ok for the UK to claim Britain first but NOT ok for the Eu to claim EU first,.... UK should know  that what goes around comes around.... UK-Britain are a bunch of hypocrits that ca not be trusted

Sounds fine to me, let the EU stew in its own institutionalised, undemocratic  juice, just as we should have done in 1914 and 1939. The UK and before that England's relationship with the Continent, for the best part of the last 600 years,  has always ended up in grief for us.  Good that we are now free of the EU's clingy entitlement culture, for me it could and should be at a greater distance. 

[david555]

51 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I suspect you will find that a UK first policy for vaccines made in the UK is supported by all nationals living in the UK not just Brexiteers

in  answer to your claim you all think same  ....????

 

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1411536/EU-news-Mike-Galsworthy-ITV-GMB-UK-vaccine-AstraZeneca-row-latest-vn

rant video link :

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1411536/EU-news-Mike-Galsworthy-ITV-GMB-UK-vaccine-AstraZeneca-row-latest-vn?jwsource=cl

Pro-EU doctor's staggering rant at UK - accuses Brits of 'gold-plated vaccine nationalism'
PHYSICIAN Dr Mike Galsworthy accused the United Kingdom of "gold-plated vaccine nationalism" as he launched a staggering attack on the British Government performance throughout the jab rollout.
By TIM MCNULTY

PUBLISHED: 08:47, Thu, Mar 18, 2021 | UPDATED: 09:53, Thu, Mar 18, 2021

Mike Galsworthy claimed the UK has been guilty of "vaccine nationalism" over its failure to export its vaccine supplies despite producing the jab. He insisted the European Union was right to put pressure on the British Government to share its jab stock with other countries. Speaking to ITV's Good Morning Britain, Dr Galsworthy said: "The UK, at the moment, is fairly guilty of gold-plated vaccine nationalism.
 

Edited March 18, 2021 by david555

[Hi from France]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

EU pledges vaccine controls will not hit UK supplies

https://timesnewsexpress.com/news/business/eu-pledges-vaccine-controls-will-not-hit-uk-supplies/

does not look like a reputable newspaper to me. Let's keep looking, I'll share too if I find something.

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

does not look like a reputable newspaper to me. Let's keep looking, I'll share too if I find something.

Same headline from the FT

EU pledges vaccine controls will not hit UK supplies 

https://www.ft.com/content/93555276-fc30-41cc-8f94-ca968e3622aa

Its owned by Nikkei, Inc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikkei,_Inc.

[Hi from France]

25 minutes ago, david555 said:

Mike Galsworthy claimed the UK has been guilty of "vaccine nationalism" over its failure to export its vaccine supplies despite producing the jab. He insisted the European Union was right to put pressure on the British Government to share its jab stock with other countries. Speaking to ITV's Good Morning Britain, Dr Galsworthy said: "The UK, at the moment, is fairly guilty of gold-plated vaccine nationalism.

The issue the EU has in dealing with the UK (signing treaties making and keeping commitments) is that we are being "nice and legal", thinking the UK will do the same and reciprocate "we send vaccines to you, you send vaccines to us..".

 

this is the wrong approach

 

we are bringing a knife to a gunfight ????

 

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Edited March 18, 2021 by Hi from France

[Pilotman]

24 minutes ago, david555 said:

The UK, at the moment, is fairly guilty of gold-plated vaccine nationalism.

excellent, good on them.  It about time we put ourselves first and then dealt with others. The first responsibility of any National Government is the safety and health of its own citizens, something the EU has forgotten in its race for a Super State. 

[ThailandRyan]

They call me "Ursula Sour Grapes"........

[candide]

2 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

excellent, good on them.  It about time we put ourselves first and then dealt with others. The first responsibility of any National Government is the safety and health of its own citizens, something the EU has forgotten in its race for a Super State. 

Following this line of thought, it also makes sense for the EU to follow a EU first policy and block exports until EU citizen are vaccinated.

[Hi from France]

What will the delay mean for England's Covid vaccine programme?

NHS England is adjusting to ‘a significant reduction’ in weekly supplies of Covid-19 doses available from the week beginning 29 March

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/17/what-will-the-vaccine-delay-in-england-mean-for-the-programme

 

you can anticipate some here will blame the EU, but apparently this is due to the Serum Institute of India. 

Quote

It is understood to involve the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine and not the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. AstraZeneca is thought to have experienced what one NHS official called “manufacturing capacity problems”. One NHS source said: “The letter is unusual. But remember that these are biological products that are being manufactured for the first time and at pace, therefore things could always go wrong.”

There was speculation Wednesday evening that the impending shortfall was caused by delays in delivery of 10m doses of the AstraZeneca doses from India.

 

now with the Pfizer/BioNTech

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This (AZ) product is particularly important because it makes up about 75% of the vaccines so far administered in the UK; the Pfizer vaccine accounts for the remaining 25%

I do think it's hig time to stop exporting our own production to the UK. At least until they deliver at least as many doses as what we sent to the UK.

 

[Pilotman]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

Following this line of thought, it also makes sense for the EU to follow a EU first policy and block exports until EU citizen are vaccinated.

fine by me. 

[Bluespunk]

12 hours ago, onebir said:

Didn't they just suspend the AZ vaccine in half the EU???

Individual countries made sovereign decisions.

 

The EU medical advisory bodies have made clear that should keep using the vaccine.

 

Despite what many may claim the EU does not override such sovereign decisions...

[vinny41]

7 minutes ago, candide said:

Following this line of thought, it also makes sense for the EU to follow a EU first policy and block exports until EU citizen are vaccinated.

Problem is that the EU Pfizer vaccine  requires UK ingredients

[Pilotman]

19 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/17/what-will-the-vaccine-delay-in-england-mean-for-the-programme

 

you can anticipate some here will blame the EU, but apparently this is due to the Serum Institute of India. 

 

now with the Pfizer/BioNTech

I do think it's hig time to stop exporting our own production to the UK. At least until they deliver at least as many doses as what we sent to the UK.

 

Um, its a US/UK owned company mate.  57% US the rest mainly UK

Edited March 18, 2021 by Pilotman

[ukrules]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

you think so ...?  it should be serious delay or problem to find elsewhere but not impossible ..... but your side problem would also be there ..... maybe .... for other things.....start building electric supply facilities up more , as the French let already hear something few months before vaccine row.... 

A trade war can be a nasty thing  .....????

It is impossible right now, only 2 places on earth produce what they need and one is in the US, the other in the UK.

 

As someone else pointed out, the US may have already restricted exports so they may be relying entirely on the UK here.

 

Edited March 18, 2021 by ukrules

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, Hi from France said:

In the future, none of our critical supply chains should be UK-dependent anymore. They were set up with the assumption that the UK was a reliable partner. Big mistake. 

I could have told them (the EU) that long time ago, before finalizing the deal Boris was already braking the withdraw agreement, it was all very predictable, even his (BJ) father didn't trust his own son nor did his own brother, that tells you a lot about the type of person the UK is governed by, luckily Cummings left, now let's hope Raab and Goove will follow then without his cronies around  BJ will have no alternative but to quit

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

You need the read the Contract that AZ has with the EU, there is an clause there that states the EU will not take legal action against AZ 

From where would I get a complete copy of this contract please?

Edited March 18, 2021 by KannikaP

[Sujo]

In simple terms. The eu wants to take care of the eu.

The uk is out. Im sute the brexiteers dont care about the eu. So why would the eu care about the uk.

Its a crisis so go for it and stop complaining.

[vinny41]

48 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

From where would I get a complete copy of this contract please?

The EU comission have published a redacted copy of the contract, An Italian public broadcaster RAI has published the complete  unredacted contract between the European Commission and AstraZeneca.

[onthedarkside]

A name calling, trolling post has been removed.

 

[david555]

2 hours ago, Pilotman said:

excellent, good on them.  It about time we put ourselves first and then dealt with others. The first responsibility of any National Government is the safety and health of its own citizens, something the EU has forgotten in its race for a Super State. 

So you go get same from our side ....  what else you would expect we go do...,let you <deleted> on our heads ????

Is the  same as " we go take control of our borders and laws "....sound familiar to you maybe ... ???? ?

Start making extra electricity plants  .... as you might need then very hard , remember Barnier words months ago to cut U.K. of from common market electricity way ...

Remember last Christmas when Macron let you feel  wat sitting on an Island means outside E.U. .....could become  longer this time ????

[david555]

1 hour ago, KannikaP said:

From where would I get a complete copy of this contract please?

And whiteout all those blacked lines please , show the hidden parts they are of main interest ..... there it is the hidden Boris agenda lays ????, and mostly the reason why E.U. get not his order 

Edited March 18, 2021 by david555

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

And whiteout all those blacked lines please , show the hidden parts they are of main interest ..... there it is the hidden Boris agenda lays ????, and mostly the reason why E.U. get not his order 

The EU comission have published a redacted copy of the contract, An Italian public broadcaster RAI has published the complete  unredacted contract between the European Commission and AstraZeneca.

The  unredacted contract between the European Commission and AstraZeneca is out there for anyone to view

and as far  as I aware Boris didn't take part in the contract between the European Commission and AstraZeneca

[sungod]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Its a crisis so go for it and stop complaining.

Again, go back to the beginning and realise its the EU complaining, not the UK.

[vinny41]

13 minutes ago, david555 said:

So you go get same from our side ....  what else you would expect we go do...,let you <deleted> on our heads ????

Is the  same as " we go take control of our borders and laws "....sound familiar to you maybe ... ???? ?

Start making extra electricity plants  .... as you might need then very hard , remember Barnier words months ago to cut U.K. of from common market electricity way ...

Remember last Christmas when Macron let you feel  wat sitting on an Island means outside E.U. .....could become  longer this time ????

I am sure if the UK arm of  Pfizer was trying to ship the UK ingredients that produced the  EU Pfizer vaccine and they found they were prevented from doing so by Macron someone would have a little word in his ear to change his position

[Rookiescot]

3 hours ago, vinny41 said:

You need the read the Contract that AZ has with the EU, there is an clause there that states the EU will not take legal action against AZ 

Could you be a dear and show us the clause that prevents legal action?

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Could you be a dear and show us the clause that prevents legal action?

Commission’s vaccine contract with AstraZeneca ties EU’s hands on lawsuits

The full publication of the European Union's contract with AstraZeneca reveals that the Commission and EU countries waived the right to sue the drugmaker over any delays in coronavirus vaccine deliveries — a provision that takes any bite out of threats to file a lawsuit against the company over its failure to deliver to the Continent

https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccine-europe-commission-contract-astrazeneca-ties-hands-lawsuits/

If there wasn't a clause that prevents legal action I am sure the EU would be running to the courts months ago but they haven't

[Rookiescot]

10 minutes ago, sungod said:

Again, go back to the beginning and realise its the EU complaining, not the UK.

Yes it appears the EU is complaining that vaccine is moving from the EU to the UK but no vaccine is moving from the UK to the EU despite the EU having a contract with a UK company to provide said vaccines.

[Rookiescot]

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Commission’s vaccine contract with AstraZeneca ties EU’s hands on lawsuits

The full publication of the European Union's contract with AstraZeneca reveals that the Commission and EU countries waived the right to sue the drugmaker over any delays in coronavirus vaccine deliveries — a provision that takes any bite out of threats to file a lawsuit against the company over its failure to deliver to the Continent

https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccine-europe-commission-contract-astrazeneca-ties-hands-lawsuits/

If there wasn't a clause that prevents legal action I am sure the EU would be running to the courts months ago but they haven't

Thanks for that.

Now what worries me is the statement "Despite the fact that all three British sites, as well as the Dutch and German subcontractors, are clearly included in the supply chain, it's not certain they all have been used for the EU, according to the company's submission to European regulators and officials familiar with AstraZeneca's supply chain".

Now this appears to be what the EU has an issue with. Namely vaccines are moving from the EU to the UK but not in the other direction.