Thailand reports 1,335 new COVID-19 cases

[mommysboy]

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

35 minutes ago, Antonymous said:

In layman’s language, WHO finally admitted that many PCR tests, as used extensively around the world, are unreliable. Dr Kary Mullis, the Nobel Prize laureate who invented the PCR process has been adamant that it was never meant as a diagnostic tool. Any test with a CT value of over 35 is potentially meaningless.

 

You seem to be putting a meaning to the WHO's memo that isn't actually there:

 

"A spokesperson for Public Health England told Reuters why PCR tests are being used widely in England: “Molecular diagnostic tests, such as real-time PCR, are the gold standard methods for identifying individuals with an active viral infection, such as SARS-CoV-2 (the cause of COVID-19 disease), in their respiratory tract. These tests are rapid and produce results in real-time.

 

“It is important to note that detecting viral material by PCR does not indicate that the virus is fully intact and infectious, i.e. able to cause infection in other people."

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pcr/fact-check-inventor-of-method-used-to-test-for-covid-19-didnt-say-it-cant-be-used-in-virus-detection-idUSKBN24420X

 

AND

 

PCR tests highly accurate, but false negatives and positives can happen

"It is worth noting, PCR tests are overall highly accurate and the chance of false positives "should be close to zero," wrote Dr. Robert Shmerling in an August article explaining different types of COVID-19 testing for Harvard Health.

 

"Most false-positive results are thought to be due to lab contamination or other problems with how the lab has performed the test, not limitations of the test itself," said Schmerling."

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/11/fact-check-post-distorts-whos-covid-19-pcr-testing-guidelines/4340677001/

 

And so what the WHO was writing about during that period was guidance to labs, some doing that kind of testing for the first time at high volumes, on how to properly execute the testing, not that the testing is inherently unreliable.

 

Edited April 14, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[QPRFC]

I don't really care about what you lot report...I'm only interested in what TAT reports about when the border will re-open and the expected number of Chinese tourists!! ????

 

Edited April 14, 2021 by onthedarkside
profanity removed

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

English language newscast from NBT World with lots of COVID headlines and reports:

 

NBT WORLD

NEWSLINE 14 April 2021

1. PM directs gov’t officials to work from home

2. DDC discourages inter-provincial travel as Songkran comes to an

end

3. CCSA confirms another batch of 1,335 new COVID-19 patients

4. Royally-bestowed mobile labs accelerate COVID tests at IUDC

office

6. Govt adding beds to meet rising numbers of Covid-patients

7. NVI defends Sinovac, AstraZeneca vaccine efficacy

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/videos/302111478153772/

 

 

[bangon04]

"7,491 people remain in hospital receiving treatment."

 

does this include people who are asymtomatic and unwilling guests?

[kiwikeith]

14 hours ago, GeorgeCross said:

getting way too close for comfort for me. i now know multiple people who either have it, are in isolation or sick and awaiting results. multiple positive kids at my son's school as well (hua hin)

 

this outbreak is much bigger than before

 

local hospitals are either refusing to test or trying to get people to pay with many refusing to do so. no beds anyway. one of the kids from school sent home positive and whole family been sick for days.

 

i suppose at least they are at home, which is good for them but its obvious the system is creaking already with only a few hundred cases.

 

 

Thanks for the Huahin update, I live there but stuck in NZ. I will warn my mother in law to stay home from working in the market. 

The mass migration from Bangkok to Cha Amm and Huahin every weekend to the beaches must have something to do with this, plus the infections from the night club visited by the infected from Bangkok. 

Then there is also a high amount of myamer workers. 

May be a coincidence but Chiang Mai infections have risen since the conflict in Myanmar, very easy for people to to walk into Masai, Chiang Rai and very hard to control. 

I lived there for several years and people were walking across the borders in daylight without problems, now with the conflict things could get worse for the covid-19 infections from the borders. 

[MikeyIdea]

9 hours ago, Antonymous said:

 

Really? Where did you hear that, from someone in the bar?

 

Deaths per 1,000,000 population:

 

UK:  1,864

USA: 1,731

Brazil: 1,644

Sweden: 1,342

 

https://ourworldindata.org

 

Sweden adapted and improved their response, that's why I deliberately used past tense HAD in my post. Perhaps your reading comprehension is a bit affected after a few beers in a bar again.  

 

Edited April 14, 2021 by MikeyIdea

[rabas]

5 hours ago, Antonymous said:

 

I think you may have missed the memo…

 

Date: 13 January 2021                                                                      

WHO-identifier: 2020/5, version 2

Target audience: laboratory professionals and users of IVDs.

 

Purpose of this notice: clarify information previously provided by WHO. This notice supersedes WHO Information Notice for In Vitro Diagnostic Medical Device (IVD) Users 2020/05 version 1, issued 14 December 2020.

...

 

Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information.

 

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

 

In layman’s language, WHO finally admitted that many PCR tests, as used extensively around the world, are unreliable. Dr Kary Mullis, the Nobel Prize laureate who invented the PCR process has been adamant that it was never meant as a diagnostic tool. Any test with a CT value of over 35 is potentially meaningless.

 

Does anyone know what CT value is being used here in Thailand. Genuine question. We need to know.

"In layman’s language, ..." , he said.

 

If you were not a layman, you'd instantly know what this is and not continue to spread conspiracy misinformation. 

 

In technical terms, this notice is about a simple calibration factor like those used for most all instruments/tools. Nothing more.  (Yes, I understand these things intimately)

 

NOTAM: "Turn Left", does not mean planes crash when they go straight.

 

 

Edited April 14, 2021 by rabas

[DerbyDan]

3 hours ago, kiwikeith said:

Thanks for the Huahin update, I live there but stuck in NZ. I will warn my mother in law to stay home from working in the market. 

The mass migration from Bangkok to Cha Amm and Huahin every weekend to the beaches must have something to do with this, plus the infections from the night club visited by the infected from Bangkok. 

Then there is also a high amount of myamer workers. 

May be a coincidence but Chiang Mai infections have risen since the conflict in Myanmar, very easy for people to to walk into Masai, Chiang Rai and very hard to control. 

I lived there for several years and people were walking across the borders in daylight without problems, now with the conflict things could get worse for the covid-19 infections from the borders. 

 

Do you always need a scapegoat? No way to tell if it's coming from Burma.

Edited April 14, 2021 by DerbyDan

[Pattaya Spotter]

7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Agreed I wasn't around for the first one and to young for the second but I tend to run out of the way when a train is heading full speed at me, just the way I am I guess.

The survivability from a speeding train hit is close to zero...with a SARS-CoV-2 virus hit it's 98 percent or higher.

[sydneyjed]

14 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

They did do the lockdown here last year as well, it seems they are no longer giving a rats this time for fear of public backlash not realising that generally the public usually support such measures.Who knows what they think or what they are doing or for what reasons.The inconsistency is rather mind boggling but it seems to be the part of the old normal that failed to be updated to the new normal.

Yes one year on and we can all see how different countries have managed Covid such as the UK,US and Australia for example.Ironically even though the UK and US haven't exactly managed the pandemic infection rates they have come out the other end with their efficient coordinated vaccine roll out.Both are opening up their economies by June and the question then beggars 'Where does this leave other countries such as Thailand'?I think we all agree that regardless of who dropped the ball on this one that unless this new wave is managed and contained quickly the predictions of 25000 cases a day could well be an understatement.What ramifications that  has on the economy is then anyone's guess as I have grave doubts this government has the foggiest of how to deal with this now!

[Danderman123]

6 hours ago, Antonymous said:

 

I think you may have missed the memo…

 

Date: 13 January 2021                                                                      

WHO-identifier: 2020/5, version 2

Target audience: laboratory professionals and users of IVDs.

 

Purpose of this notice: clarify information previously provided by WHO. This notice supersedes WHO Information Notice for In Vitro Diagnostic Medical Device (IVD) Users 2020/05 version 1, issued 14 December 2020.

...

 

Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information.

 

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

 

In layman’s language, WHO finally admitted that many PCR tests, as used extensively around the world, are unreliable. Dr Kary Mullis, the Nobel Prize laureate who invented the PCR process has been adamant that it was never meant as a diagnostic tool. Any test with a CT value of over 35 is potentially meaningless.

 

Does anyone know what CT value is being used here in Thailand. Genuine question. We need to know.

You don’t understand the advisory you have quoted.

 

it’s just basic guidelines for diagnosing COVID-19. Nothing in the memo says that PCR-RT isn’t the gold standard for diagnosis.

 

Your internet friends are lying to you.

 

Otherwise, how do you explain that virtually everyone hospitalized for COVID symptoms has tested positive via PCR-RT? How do you explain that spikes in Positive tests result in future hospitalizations and deaths?

 

 

[Danderman123]

11 hours ago, Antonymous said:

 

Really? Where did you hear that, from someone in the bar?

 

Deaths per 1,000,000 population:

 

UK:  1,864

USA: 1,731

Brazil: 1,644

Sweden: 1,342

 

https://ourworldindata.org

Sweden is doing better than the three countries that botched their COVID efforts early on. I guess India should be on the list, but they don’t report deaths accurately.

 

So, Sweden is less of a failure than Brazil in dealing with COVID. That is a pretty easy bar to surpass.

Edited April 14, 2021 by Danderman123

[robsamui]

17 hours ago, Kaopad999 said:

same.. 

What am I missing here . . . how does using a knuckle avoid having skin contact with an infected button?

[Salerno]

2 minutes ago, robsamui said:

What am I missing here . . . how does using a knuckle avoid having skin contact with an infected button?

 

The fact people don't normally rub their eyes with their knuckles, lick their knuckles, pick their nose with their knuckles etc.

[robsamui]

10 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

  8 minutes ago, robsamui said:

What am I missing here . . . how does using a knuckle avoid having skin contact with an infected button?

Quote

The fact people don't normally rub their eyes with their knuckles, lick their knuckles, pick their nose with their knuckles etc.

Hmmm . . . and that infected magic knuckle somehow never makes contact with any other surfaces? Pockets, clothes, glasses, mugs, keys, door handles and other surfaces?

 

Edited April 14, 2021 by robsamui

[Salerno]

1 minute ago, robsamui said:

Hmmm . . . and that infected magic knuckle somehow never makes contact with any other surfaces?

 

Not until it's been washed, unless the owner is a slovenly knuckle dragger.

[ThailandRyan]

11 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

The fact people don't normally rub their eyes with their knuckles, lick their knuckles, pick their nose with their knuckles etc.

But my index finger was cutoff accidently at the big knuckle, so can I still rub my eye with it or pick my nose....your post nails it however.  Our lift panels are covered in thick plastic and are washed down every thirty minutes by staff that is in the lobby. However, I have not gone down the lift since Tuesday to check my mail, staying isolated since our return from Chiang Mai 6 days ago.  However, the hand sanitizer bottle located in the lifts is right next to the panel.

Edited April 14, 2021 by ThailandRyan

[Danderman123]

I don’t get these people who think that scientists and doctors are either stupid or working in a grand conspiracy to close bars and make people wear face masks.  It’s not terrible that they have these crazy ideas, but, for some reason, they are driven to spreading their misinformation on the internet. And there is a giant Lie Machine that feeds their paranoia with new lies every day.

 

We are not just fighting a virus, we are fighting ignorance and stupidity.

 

The way to win is to use the Scientific Method. Follow science and we will beat the virus. The problem is the number of people who flunked science in high school but think they know more than the scientists.

Edited April 15, 2021 by Danderman123

[Excel]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

I don’t get these people who think that scientists and doctors are either stupid or working in a grand conspiracy to close bars and make people wear fase masks.  It’s not terrible that they have these crazy ideas, but, for some reason, they are driven to spreading their misinformation on the internet. And there is a giant Lie Machine that feeds their paranoia with new lies every day.

 

We are not just fighting a virus, we are fighting ignorance and stupidity.

 

The way to win is to use the Scientific Method. Follow science and we will beat the virus. The problem is the number of people who flunked science in high school but think they know more than the scientists.

Well put and hopefully those on this forum who think they know better than scientists will heed your words.

[WhatsNext]

13 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Reaching herd immunity in Thailand could cost one million lives.

 

Fantastic mathematic skills, with a 0.3% mortality rate as per usual for covid, you get a maximum of 198.000 deaths. That's with EVERYONE in Thailand being infected.

 

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The survivability from a speeding train hit is close to zero...with a SARS-CoV-2 virus hit it's 98 percent or higher.

That's not a good number to go by.  Many countries are not reporting data at all, and many others have admitted their reported numbers are WAY low.  Not to mention around 30% of survivors are now experiencing after effects.

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/07/about-30-covid-deaths-may-not-be-classified-such

About 30% of COVID deaths may not be classified as such

[gunderhill]

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The problem is the number of people who flunked science in high school but think they know more than the scientists.

You should  apply this to those who "believe" in a  god.

[Jeffr2]

42 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Sweden is doing better than the three countries that botched their COVID efforts early on. I guess India should be on the list, but they don’t report deaths accurately.

 

So, Sweden is less of a failure than Brazil in dealing with COVID. That is a pretty easy bar to surpass.

But Sweden is doing worse than it's 3 closest neighbors.  Many countries botched their initial response.  The US was the worst.  #1 with the most deaths.

 

Sad other countries don't learn from these mistakes.  Hope this doesn't happen here:

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/25/americas/brazil-manaus-covid-second-wave-intl/index.html

 

How one city missed warning after warning until its health system collapsed

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, WhatsNext said:

 

Fantastic mathematic skills, with a 0.3% mortality rate as per usual for covid, you get a maximum of 198.000 deaths. That's with EVERYONE in Thailand being infected.

 

Scaremonger

I"d not rely on that number if you're trying to achieve herd immunity.  Who knows.  Especially with the new variants coming on here. 

[Danderman123]

5 hours ago, WhatsNext said:

 

Fantastic mathematic skills, with a 0.3% mortality rate as per usual for covid, you get a maximum of 198.000 deaths. That's with EVERYONE in Thailand being infected.

 

 

Your numbers are a bit off.

 

Personally, I would make sure of my numbers.  In Real Life, the mortality rate of the infected worldwide is something like 1.8%, which means over a million dead, if everyone were infected.

 

I sure hope you aren’t walking around thinking that Thailand’s mortality numbers are accurate.

 

 

[Danderman123]

10 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

That's not a good number to go by.  Many countries are not reporting data at all, and many others have admitted their reported numbers are WAY low.  Not to mention around 30% of survivors are now experiencing after effects.

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/07/about-30-covid-deaths-may-not-be-classified-such

About 30% of COVID deaths may not be classified as such

COVID Deniers don’t seem to care much about those with long term effects from COVID, it’s almost as if those people don’t exist.

 

 

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

COVID Deniers don’t seem to care much about those with long term effects from COVID, it’s almost as if those people don’t exist.

 

 

You can easily spot them.  They quote that death rate percentage.  Even though it's well known the numbers are dodgy. As cases and deaths are under reported.  And in some countries, not reported at all.

[ThailandRyan]

21 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I don’t get these people who think that scientists and doctors are either stupid or working in a grand conspiracy to close bars and make people wear face masks.  It’s not terrible that they have these crazy ideas, but, for some reason, they are driven to spreading their misinformation on the internet. And there is a giant Lie Machine that feeds their paranoia with new lies every day.

 

We are not just fighting a virus, we are fighting ignorance and stupidity.

 

The way to win is to use the Scientific Method. Follow science and we will beat the virus. The problem is the number of people who flunked science in high school but think they know more than the scientists.

The issue becomes one where there are those who choose to believe the words of people whose outlook differs from what is truly reality and based upon todays most recent scientific studies by peer reviewed medical folks. 

 

These folks then continue to believe the false narrative and continue to believe those folks who want to push their own agendas and conspiracy theories.  However, having an open mind is what will shed the information needed to daily negotiate the issue currently at hand with Covid. 

 

Believing numbers only, that have been manipulated, is not very transparent when the reporting is not being done to true scientific standards in order to track cases in real time by this Government and others.  Covid deniers abound as well as anti-vaxers, who believe that only being in the best of shape will stop one from becoming ill and not have any effects of covid once infected. 

 

I have known a few former co-workers and athletes who were in peak physical shape, ate very nutritiously, and took all of the vitamins to keep their immune systems in good working order that have fallen victim to Covid.  A few passed away from Covid, and a few have had lingering affects and still do to this day. 

 

There are a few of us who believe that we may have had Covid last year at the beginning of the year when Thailand was still open and the Chinese New Year was in full swing, but at that time there was no testing being done if you were not hospitalized back then. 

 

My illness, the most serious part lasted over three weeks, and I did see a doctor who prescribed medication and inhalers that did not truly help the issue, and after 2 weeks were reissued.  When I finally did start to heal I still had a deep cough, my lung capacity was diminished.  To preface this I am a jogger who puts in between 6 and 10 km a day, and prior to getting sick was in the best shape I have ever been in. I am a diabetic with an auto immune disorder due to a surgical procedure 5 years ago.  When I felt good enough to start jogging again in late May, I could not even jog without gasping for air, and a brisk paced walk was the best I could do.

 

It has taken me almost a year to regain probably 80% of my deep lung capacity and I can not get my times down to the same level as before, and I am wiped out by the time I return home.  To be honest it sucks, and I am only 56. 

 

I also tried to see if their was a antigen test here that could be given to see if I had any of the genetic markers of having Covid, and I was told I could not obtain one as I was not showing the signs and symptoms the MOPH had published as guidelines.  I have posted about that as well many times over the past year as well. 

 

All I can say is stay safe folks.  

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The survivability from a speeding train hit is close to zero...with a SARS-CoV-2 virus hit it's 98 percent or higher.

You can see a train come, you can't see Covid come